Alcatraz

[Politruk]

The only reason we're even talking about this is that a TV station within broadcast range of Palm Beach recently showed Escape from Alcatraz and it gave Trump the idea. When he announced it, he described Alcatraz in terms that made it very clear he thought the movie was real life.

 

[dmallord]

I just don't see why it has to be any more uncomfortable and unpleasant than is strictly necessary to keep the inmates locked up.

As for studying and replicating successes, there are countries in Europe that have had good success with a system much less harsh.

I agree — prison doesn’t need to be more unpleasant than necessary to ensure safety and security. Excessive harshness doesn’t serve any practical purpose beyond punishment for its own sake, and all the evidence shows that it doesn’t reduce crime in the long run.

Some European countries, like Norway and Germany, have succeeded with a more humane approach. Their prisons focus on rehabilitation — things like education, mental health care, and job training — and they see significantly lower rates of people reoffending compared to the U.S. [1] [2]. That’s not theory — it’s practice, and it works.

The U.S. has one of the highest recidivism rates in the developed world—over 60% within three years [3]. That alone should motivate us to examine what’s working elsewhere and rethink the “tougher is better” mindset.

If the goal is to make society safer and reduce the cost of crime, then making prison conditions humane and focused on real rehabilitation isn’t soft—it’s smart.

 

[dmallord]

Trump Vows To Reopen Joann Fabrics As Prison

WASHINGTON—Vowing to restore and revitalize the facilities as a symbol of law, order, and justice, President Donald Trump ordered the U.S. government Monday to reopen Joann Fabrics and Crafts stores as federal prisons. “I am directing the Bureau of Prisons to use all 850 Joann locations to house America’s most ruthless and violent Offenders,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social, stating that officials had already begun investigating how to relocate and imprison violent and repeat criminals within the shuttered hobby store’s long, towering aisles filled with endless yarn, ribbon, and candles. “Joann’s will be a maximum security prison, with Rapists and Murderers chained to sewing machines and oversized looms, or locked inside Joann’s custom craft corner. Many years ago, Americans used to fear Joann’s ‘handmade happiness.’ And soon, these violent criminals and thugs will know why!” Trump added that inmates housed at Joann Fabrics would be forced, just like notorious criminals such as Al Capone once were, to teach macramé classes to shoppers on Saturday mornings.

NOt FuNny. BuBBa. You made me look!

 

[Politruk]

I agree — prison doesn’t need to be more unpleasant than necessary to ensure safety and security. Excessive harshness doesn’t serve any practical purpose beyond punishment for its own sake, and all the evidence shows that it doesn’t reduce crime in the long run.

Some European countries, like Norway and Germany, have succeeded with a more humane approach. Their prisons focus on rehabilitation — things like education, mental health care, and job training — and they see significantly lower rates of people reoffending compared to the U.S. [1] [2]. That’s not theory — it’s practice, and it works.

The U.S. has one of the highest recidivism rates in the developed world—over 60% within three years [3]. That alone should motivate us to examine what’s working elsewhere and rethink the “tougher is better” mindset.

If the goal is to make society safer and reduce the cost of crime, then making prison conditions humane and focused on real rehabilitation isn’t soft—it’s smart.

The problem is this moralistic strain in American culture -- evil has to be punished -- we're all raised on stories in which any other ending would be unsatisfactory. It's almost as bad as Victorian British culture, and its prisons with treadmills that were not connected to anything.

 

[Bray123]

I thought you were the one who doxxed yourself? Yet you are not who you say you are because you were doxxed as some element of proof.

You are more than you say you are, far worse as a matter of record.

Anyone disagreeing with you is met with derision and villification at a personal level as your standard go-to mode when you have no exit and are cornered. So when you accuse someone of the temerity to disagree with them, and that person is you, it's not without merit.

You are on record as a dishonest liar, lawyer, maybe.

A criminal defense lawyer is someone who is paid to tell lies on behalf of a criminal.

A parking-garage lawyer is someone who prints out pro-forma letters but aspires to be on the SCOTUS.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

A criminal defense lawyer is someone who is paid to tell lies on behalf of a criminal.

A parking-garage lawyer is someone who prints out pro-forma letters but aspires to be on the SCOTUS.

You have no fucking clue what a lawyer is.

 

[HisArpy]

I thought you were the one who doxxed yourself? Yet you are not who you say you are because you were doxxed as some element of proof.

You are more than you say you are, far worse as a matter of record.

Anyone disagreeing with you is met with derision and villification at a personal level as your standard go-to mode when you have no exit and are cornered. So when you accuse someone of the temerity to disagree with them, and that person is you, it's not without merit.

You are on record as a dishonest liar, lawyer, maybe.

You are confused.

Not unexpected.

 

[dmallord]

You have no fucking clue what a lawyer is.

It's Lit humor, sugar. You have to know the character being poked fun at to appreciate the slamming comment toward him.

Hang around and get to know the board members, and eventually you'll get the hang of it.

 

[dmallord]

You are confused.

Not unexpected.

You didn't answer the question. Obfuscation, or side shuffle due to guilt on your part, is my conjecture, Dudley.

As expected. So are you a parking garage lawyer with SCOTUS aspirations?

 

[HisArpy]

You didn't answer the question. Obfuscation, or side shuffle due to guilt on your part, is my conjecture, Dudley.

As expected. So are you a parking garage lawyer with SCOTUS aspirations?

That you're confused about what happened, yet make no effort to find out the truth, only shows that your confusion is intentional. Therefore it's not actually confusion (my bad for saying so) but stupidity running rampant in a failed effort to make yourself relevant in a world which doesn't give a shit about you or anything you do or say.

Good luck in all your future endeavors.

 

[dmallord]

That you're confused about what happened, yet make no effort to find out the truth, only shows that your confusion is intentional. Therefore it's not actually confusion (my bad for saying so) but stupidity running rampant in a failed effort to make yourself relevant in a world which doesn't give a shit about you or anything you do or say.

Good luck in all your future endeavors.

Thanks, I appreciate your encouragement. Wishing you the same, but know the outcome isn't likely.

 

[HisArpy]

Thanks, I appreciate your encouragement. Wishing you the same, but know the outcome isn't likely.

More of the stupid spite and spittle on your part won't improve your sorry assed lot in life. Not that you're aware enough to understand how the 2 are connected.

Good luck with that.

 

[Politruk]

The threat of punishment does not deter crime. There was a time when ordinary, non-violent theft was punishable by death, and thieves were quite often hanged in public. But there was still a whole lot of theft.

 

[HisArpy]

The threat of punishment does not deter crime. There was a time when ordinary, non-violent theft was punishable by death, and thieves were quite often hanged in public. But there was still a whole lot of theft.

Reality:

The threat of punishment didn't stop any of us from doing what we were told not to do. The punishment made most of us think twice before doing it again. Hence the deterrence effect.

 

[Politruk]

Reality:

The threat of punishment didn't stop any of us from doing what we were told not to do. The punishment made most of us think twice before doing it again. Hence the deterrence effect.

No, it doesn't stop recidivism either.

 

[HisArpy]

No, it doesn't stop recidivism either.

Not only are you a liar, but you're a fool too because you believe everyone agrees with your lies or won't bother to check them.

Recidivism currently is 66% so it seems to be working for most.

 

[Politruk]

Not only are you a liar, but you're a fool too because you believe everyone agrees with your lies or won't bother to check them.

Recidivism currently is 66% so it seems to be working for most.

66% would mean it is not working for most.

In any case, recidivism does seem to be significantly higher in the U.S. than in countries with gentler criminal justice and penal systems.

 

[HisArpy]

But it does seem to be significantly higher in the U.S. than in countries with gentler criminal justice and penal systems.

Not incarcerating criminals as part of a social policy probably has something to do with that.

But you go ahead and continue to spew your lies in support of the society you'll never achieve.

 

[Politruk]

Not incarcerating criminals as part of a social policy probably has something to do with that.

But you go ahead and continue to spew your lies in support of the society you'll never achieve.

I'm not the one telling lies here. And within your lifetime, America is going to go so far left you won't recognize it. Inevitable result of demographic change -- not racial or ethnic, but generational.

 

[dmallord]

More of the stupid spite and spittle on your part won't improve your sorry assed lot in life. Not that you're aware enough to understand how the 2 are connected.

Good luck with that.

More spittle and spite won’t fix what’s broken in your sorry excuse for a life. Not that you’re self-aware enough to see the connection.

Good luck clinging to that delusion.

You keep swinging like any of it matters—what you think you know, who you think you are, or that your tantrums register with anyone who counts.

Give it a rest, Dudley. Even the worst jockey knows when the horse is dead—and you're still out here flogging bones.

 

[Peppadance]

They were all falsely charged. The SCOTUS threw out Biden's use of the Sarbanes Oxley Act in charging many of those rioters last year.

“Rioters” as you note above… since they were rioters, they were not falsely charged. And it was a gross misuse of power to pardon them.