Biden's Legacy

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[ChloeTzang]

Well played, President Biden!!!

Get serious, Laz. This is the sort of abuse of power that destroys countries.

It also sets a precedent. Every President from now on will pardon everyone in their administration to short circuit the sort of lawfare we have seen over the last 4 years.

Look at this logically.

The Biden Admin and Democrat AG's in general launched unending political persecutions and prosecutions against Republican's on the flimsiest of pretexts, in some cases pulling things out of thin air.

Now, we know a wide number of ACTUAL crimes were committed by those Biden has pardoned, REAL crimes, treason in Milley's case, and now Biden is pardoning them on the pretext that the Trump Admin will prosecute them on the same basis that his own Admin prosecuted Republicans. Totally fallacious, hypocritical and downright corrupt.

BUT - it sets a precedent, and NOT a good one.

I may be a bit more hyperbolic than Il76, but Biden needs impeaching over this. And his mental competence needs to be assessed. I seriously doubt he actually made this decision himself, which makes Johnson's failure to raise this weeks ago reprehensible. We should also be investigating his cabinet and Harris for why the 25th was not invoked and who was involved in covering this up.

 

[ll74]

My question, because I'm unsure - because this is a preemptive pardon - will we see SCOTUS being involved? New territory

 

[ll74]

Get serious, Laz. This is the sort of abuse of power that destroys countries.

It also sets a precedent. Every President from now on will pardon everyone in their administration to short circuit the sort of lawfare we have seen over the last 4 years.

Look at this logically.

The Biden Admin and Democrat AG's in general launched unending political persecutions and prosecutions against Republican's on the flimsiest of pretexts, in some cases pulling things out of thin air.

Now, we know a wide number of ACTUAL crimes were committed by those Biden has pardoned, REAL crimes, treason in Milley's case, and now Biden is pardoning them on the pretext that the Trump Admin will prosecute them on the same basis that his own Admin prosecuted Republicans. Totally fallacious, hypocritical and downright corrupt.

BUT - it sets a precedent, and NOT a good one.

Lazy isn't serious.

Anyone with a brain sees this as a constitutional crisis.

 

[rainsol]

Fairly certain this will be a tribal war, but wanted to add my perspective as we turn the page on a new administration.

Overall, I think in his own words, Biden failed in his Presidential aspirations. Not only was he wanting a return to normalcy, but he ran on (basically) the end of Trump. And he ran on unity. All of these were utter failures.

The three major bills he passed, I think are the best of what his Presidency was about. The infrastructure bills will lead to excellent road updates, telecom updates and more. The chips act will lead to supply chain improvements across the board and future job growth in the sector. The inflation reduction act will lead to new energy investment.

I hate that he pardoned his son and blamed the DoJ.. I hate that he reacted based on the Twitter brain of his staff rather than the politics of the moment, many times. I hate that he couldn't message in any capacity that moved the political needle.

I think historically, he will be remembered as the guy in between Trump Presidencies and nothing more, long term.

I think he did great on the pandemic, but he will always be overshadowed by Fauci and the conspiracy horseshit.

Anyway...I'll probably just post this and watch the others try to one up each other, as is the normal way of things. Have fun with that part

That is your best post since I became aware of you, very fair, and its all true except for the one on better roads, here we have replaced bridges that gobbled up $$$ and did not need replacing but I do not know about other states.

 

[ll74]

That is your best post since I became aware of you, very fair, and its all true except for the one on better roads, here we have replaced bridges that gobbled up $$$ and did not need replacing but I do not know about other states.

Thank you for your honest response. I'd appreciate more focus on Biden's legacy

 

[Lazaran]

I had already concluded that "some" people were ridiculous imbeciles before their recent comments in this thread, but it’s nice to have ones conclusions reaffirmed from time to time…



"some" people

 

[MajorRewrite]

That was probably his first chance to show a spine, stay and support the people of Afghanistan, but instead he left and left so many billions worth of equipment there.

Nobody wanted the US to stay in Afghanistan. We’d been there far too long already and it was all pointless.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Sometimes I REAKKY enjoy the Daily Mail. Far better than most US media and almost balanced.

Smoking-gun proof Biden was never in charge, utterly selfish and America's worst President ever! MAUREEN CALLAHAN's damning final verdict on a legacy of total failure​

After the longest of goodbyes, the worst president in modern American history is finally, thankfully, gone. It's been equal parts enraging and entertaining to watch Joe Biden take what he clearly feels is a well-earned victory lap: A slurry farewell address from the Oval Office, followed by a fawning exit interview in which he insisted, again and deludedly, that if he had stayed in the race he would have won. As Biden himself would say: No joke!

And so begins the political obituary for a presidency like no other — a president who was never really there, who held office in name only, who was but a puppet for a shadowy Democrat cabal (Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi, cough-cough) that installed him and ran the country into the ground.....

Worth a read.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-worst-president-legacy-MAUREEN-CALLAHAN.html

 

[Lazaran]

Get serious, Laz. This is the sort of abuse of power that destroys countries.

BWAHAHAHA……HA

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang , a supporter of President Musk (and DonOld, etc) had the audacity to say that out loud in public???



BWAHAHAHA……HA



Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang

 

[ShaneoD]

Nobody wanted the US to stay in Afghanistan. We’d been there far too long already and it was all pointless.

True, but a more structured withdrawal that didn't cause an international PR disaster wasn't beyond reason.

 

[Lazaran]

Sometimes <snip>

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Spot on.

Joe Biden’s Legacy of Deceit
The attempts to deny inflation were bad enough. But the falsehood that history will remember is the conspiracy to cover up his infirmity.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/joe-bid...2912a?st=RiXxEf&reflink=article_copyURL_share

 

[MajorRewrite]

True, but a more structured withdrawal that didn't cause an international PR disaster wasn't beyond reason.

Being concerned with PR is no reason to extend a pointless war.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Biden’s pardons aren’t precedent setting nor unique. Ford preemptively pardoned Nixon.

And in this case, no sane people think the ones who were pardoned broke any laws, unlike Nixon.

Much ado about nothing.

 

[ll74]

Biden’s pardons aren’t precedent setting nor unique. Ford preemptively pardoned Nixon.

And in this case, no sane people think the ones who were pardoned broke any laws, unlike Nixon.

Much ado about nothing.

This is an absolutely false statement. This is a new action that has never occured.

You suggesting otherwise is detrimental to your argument

 

[ShaneoD]

Being concerned with PR is no reason to extend a pointless war.

You do realize the title of this thread is Biden's Legacy?

I can see we have a difference of opinion on how America should have left. I'm perfectly fine with members of the Taliban dying in the field, not at all comfortable with it happening to citizens.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Sometimes I REAKKY enjoy the Daily Mail. Far better than most US media and almost balanced.

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Hahaha. Good one. For a moment I thought you were serious.

Daily Mail

 

[MajorRewrite]

This is an absolutely false statement. This is a new action that has never occured.

You suggesting otherwise is detrimental to your argument

You’re pretending that Ford didn’t preemptively pardon Nixon?

That is detrimental to your argument.

 

[ll74]

You’re pretending that Ford didn’t preemptively pardon Nixon?

He was already under investigation by the DoJ and an indictment was inevitable.

That is detrimental to your argument.

Nope

 

[Lazaran]

True, but a more structured withdrawal that didn't cause an international PR disaster wasn't beyond reason.

Please explain / demonstrate how you would have done it…

We’ll wait…

 

[UltraChad]

Lol...all you do here is dance.

OOOF!!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!

I'll have you know, that I learned at a young age that I can't dance for shit, it will never happen!!!! I don't even headbang at alive shows.

I just drink beer menacingly, in a Spice Girls Spice World Tour shirt I've had for almost 30 years. That's my show shirt.

 

[MajorRewrite]

He was already under investigation by the DoJ and an indictment was inevitable.

So we agree Ford’s pardon of Nixon was in fact preemptive.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Nobody wanted the US to stay in Afghanistan. We’d been there far too long already and it was all pointless.

Yep. My husband was there twice, and he thought the whole thing was a complete waste of time. We should have taken out Al Qaeda, bombed the shit out of them as a FAFO thing and left them to it.

 

[ChloeTzang]

OOOF!!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!

I'll have you know, that I learned at a young age that I can't dance for shit, it will never happen!!!! I don't even headbang at alive shows.

I just drink beer menacingly, in a Spice Girls Spice World Tour shirt I've had for almost 30 years. That's my show shirt.

Noooooo, the Spice Girls dates you, dude. Make it a Black Pink t-shirt at least.

Or of you want to go retro, Bananarama. They were much better than the Spice Girls.