Biden's Legacy

[ll74]

So we agree Ford’s pardon of Nixon was in fact preemptive.

We don't agree.

 

[ChloeTzang]

So we agree Ford’s pardon of Nixon was in fact preemptive.

Nah. Nixon was cornered on that one. Although looking at it objectively, what the Obama Administration did to Trump, spying on him, was way worse than Nixon.

Looking back, Trump should have pardoned Obama and Hillary pre-emptively. LOL The exploding heads would have been great to see.

Because we know now that we can treat Presidential Pardons as a joke, and not to be seriously considered.

 

[ll74]

I've already had several arguments this morning about why his pardons should not be acceptable and all of them did not address Biden's actions...and instead were focused on other people.

I'm sick of arguing this shit - either argue Biden's actions of STFU.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I've already had several arguments this morning about why his pardons should not be acceptable and all of them did not address Biden's actions...and instead were focused on other people.

I'm sick of arguing this shit - either argue Biden's actions of STFU.

Be kind, ya damned "Rob alt", these are the last few hours they'll get to clutch their pearls about President Biden for four years. Let them blow off some steam before reality sets in and they're forced to blow the Orange Toadstool.

 

[ll74]

Be kind, ya damned "Rob alt", these are the last few hours they'll get to clutch their pearls about President Biden for four years. Let them blow off some steam before reality sets in and they're forced to blow the Orange Toadstool.

Yah, I see that you didn't understand my point.

 

[UltraChad]

Noooooo, the Spice Girls dates you, dude.

I am what I am!!

Make it a Black Pink t-shirt at least.

Spice World Tour shirt is wearing thin.....

I've considered replacing it with
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71oSSb6pBgL._AC_UY1000_.jpg

Or of you want to go retro, Bananarama. They were much better than the Spice Girls.

Nah I'm a 90's kid all the way.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/njC2RHo194Y/sddefault.jpg

 

[UltraChad]

I've already had several arguments this morning about why his pardons should not be acceptable and all of them did not address Biden's actions...and instead were focused on other people.

I'm sick of arguing this shit - either argue Biden's actions of STFU.

BUTT.....BUTT.....ORANGE MAN BAD!!

 

[ll74]

BUTT.....BUTT.....ORANGE MAN BAD!!

You're not a serious person

 

[UltraChad]

You're not a serious person

Just because I have a sense of humor doesn't mean I'm not serious.

You're NEVER getting any criticism of St.Biden out of the cultist.

 

[ChloeTzang]

You're not a serious person

I feel distinctly more serious now. Thank you! Or perhaps I should thank Chad and Laz. LOL

 

[ll74]

I feel distinctly more serious now. Thank you! Or perhaps I should thank Chad and Laz. LOL

I'm not here for you, princess.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I'm not here for you, princess.

I live in hope, but alas, my hopes have once more been dashed to the ground

I guess Laz is my last forlorn hope......

 

[ll74]

I live in hope, but alas, my hopes have once more been dashed to the ground

I guess Laz is my last forlorn hope......

Probs

 

[MajorRewrite]

I've already had several arguments this morning about why his pardons should not be acceptable and all of them did not address Biden's actions...and instead were focused on other people.

I'm sick of arguing this shit - either argue Biden's actions of STFU.

You claimed Biden’s pardons were precedent setting and unique. I just pointed out they aren’t, and that upset you.

 

[ll74]

You claimed Biden’s pardons were precedent setting and unique. I just pointed out they aren’t, and that upset you.

They are.

You lying about it didn't upset me.

 

[MajorRewrite]

They are.

You lying about it didn't upset me.

Of course.

 

[ll74]

Of course.

Please, explain another time where a President issued a blanket pardon to multiple people for crimes they have not been accused of.

I'll wait

 

[TallMan69]

I'm not here for you, princess.

Princess ChloeTzang says, "And you will not call me 'you'. You will never address me as 'you'. You will call me 'your royal highness'".

 

[ll74]

I'm incredibly disappointed in Biden.

Once again, the man who told us all about the danger to democracy that exists in the upcoming administration has provided his successor with the ammunition to do whatever he wants and expects that we should blame 45/47 for it.

His legacy will include providing cover for the shit that we will get for the next guy. He has given him excuse after excuse and still believes his shit doesn't stink.

People who excuse this behavior are not worthy of response...fuck off.

 

[Bn2f]

I believe the “Biden Good” thread is a vital starting point for my overall opinion on this administration. Biden ran circles around the previous administration in terms of accomplishments and I believe, all told, that those positive results will still stand even adding into whatever this incoming administration may happen to tout. For mitigating the loss of American lives due to the negligence of the previous administration not instituting a vaccine protocol, the Biden administration, IMO, will always be viewed as an overall success. I will not entertain those members who choose to cherry pick what I will now post as my criticisms of the Biden ministration.

President Biden bothered me to know end in the fact that he was an institutionalist. He watched front row 8 years of Republican obstruction of his and President Obama‘s agenda, and still felt that things could always be different if he just reached out his hand across the aisle. He believed too much in the good ole boy early 30 years of his statesmanship rather than taking serious the changes occurring the last 20 years or so.

He couldn’t, with adequate success, relay to the American people his numerous achievements. Yet another failing, IMO, he should have been taught by the Obama presidency. Pete Buttigieg, with no disrespect to the two White House spokespeople nor his service heading DOT, should’ve been designated a position in relaying his administration’s message strictly to television.

He allowed trump appointees that he could have gotten rid of to stay on, denying his administration a sign to progressives the low hanging fruit to argue real change was occurring.

I do not know how Merrick Garland would’ve been as a Supreme Court justice. But I do know that his appointment was made to that court to placate moderate Republicans. I do not like the Democratic Party playing to the hands of Republicans. Garland was a weak Attorney General. Numerous congressman asked, begged trump for pardons before he left office; on the night of and after the January 6th insurrection, every single member of the Republican house voted not to certify the election. These actions should have warranted, at the very least, an ethics probe if not charges of sedition. Biden and the incoming democratic majority continue the annoying and long-standing tradition from the civil war to Iraq of allowing those who would undermine, lie to, and harm democracy to get away with their deeds only to then watch them feel emboldened to come back and do it again - looking squarely at you incoming congress.

I have no problems with any of the Biden pardons. None whatsoever, especially since the Supreme Court ruling allowing the executive branch to practically do whatever. I wanna be clear here: anyone in a minority class, voting Republican is self hating. What those pardons did though was show these classes that Biden promised to protect them and that he instead was able to protect himself and his family, but not them. He gave fodder to those who always claim, wrongly, that voting republican means that you are an off of the plantation free thinker.

Those are most of the criticisms I think go with the Biden legacy.

 

[ll74]

I believe the “Biden Good” thread is a vital starting point for my overall opinion on this administration. Biden ran circles around the previous administration in terms of accomplishments and I believe, all told, that those positive results will still stand even adding into whatever this incoming administration may happen to tout. For mitigating the loss of American lives due to the negligence of the previous administration not instituting a vaccine protocol, the Biden administration, IMO, will always be viewed as an overall success. I will not entertain those members who choose to cherry pick what I will now post as my criticisms of the Biden ministration.

President Biden bothered me to know end in the fact that he was an institutionalist. He watched front row 8 years of Republican obstruction of his and President Obama‘s agenda, and still felt that things could always be different if he just reached out his hand across the aisle. He believed too much in the good ole boy early 30 years of his statesmanship rather than taking serious the changes occurring the last 20 years or so.

He couldn’t, with adequate success, relay to the American people his numerous achievements. Yet another failing, IMO, he should have been taught by the Obama presidency. Pete Buttigieg, with no disrespect to the two White House spokespeople nor his service heading DOT, should’ve been designated a position in relaying his administration’s message strictly to television.

He allowed trump appointees that he could have gotten rid of to stay on, denying his administration a sign to progressives the low hanging fruit to argue real change was occurring.

I do not know how Merrick Garland would’ve been as a Supreme Court justice. But I do know that his appointment was made to that court to placate moderate Republicans. I do not like the Democratic Party playing to the hands of Republicans. Garland was a weak Attorney General. Numerous congressman asked, begged trump for pardons before he left office; on the night of and after the January 6th insurrection, every single member of the Republican house voted not to certify the election. These actions should have warranted, at the very least, an ethics probe if not charges of sedition. Biden and the incoming democratic majority continue the annoying and long-standing tradition from the civil war to Iraq of allowing those who would undermine, lie to, and harm democracy to get away with their deeds only to then watch them feel emboldened to come back and do it again - looking squarely at you incoming congress.

I have no problems with any of the Biden pardons. None whatsoever, especially since the Supreme Court ruling allowing the executive branch to practically do whatever I wanna be clear here: anyone in a minority class, Republican is self hating. What those pardons did though was so these classes that Biden promised to protect that he was able to protect himself and his family, but not them. He gave father to those who always claim, wrongly, that voting republican means that you are an off of the plantation free thinker.

Those are most of the criticisms I think go with the Biden legacy.

This is an incredibly thoughtful comment and I appreciate the entirety of it.

Thank you.

 

[Lazaran]

I believe the “Biden Good” thread is a vital starting point for my overall opinion on this administration. Biden ran circles around the previous administration in terms of accomplishments and I believe, all told, that those positive results will still stand even adding into whatever this incoming administration may happen to tout. For mitigating the loss of American lives due to the negligence of the previous administration not instituting a vaccine protocol, the Biden administration, IMO, will always be viewed as an overall success. I will not entertain those members who choose to cherry pick what I will now post as my criticisms of the Biden ministration.

President Biden bothered me to know end in the fact that he was an institutionalist. He watched front row 8 years of Republican obstruction of his and President Obama‘s agenda, and still felt that things could always be different if he just reached out his hand across the aisle. He believed too much in the good ole boy early 30 years of his statesmanship rather than taking serious the changes occurring the last 20 years or so.

He couldn’t, with adequate success, relay to the American people his numerous achievements. Yet another failing, IMO, he should have been taught by the Obama presidency. Pete Buttigieg, with no disrespect to the two White House spokespeople nor his service heading DOT, should’ve been designated a position in relaying his administration’s message strictly to television.

He allowed trump appointees that he could have gotten rid of to stay on, denying his administration a sign to progressives the low hanging fruit to argue real change was occurring.

I do not know how Merrick Garland would’ve been as a Supreme Court justice. But I do know that his appointment was made to that court to placate moderate Republicans. I do not like the Democratic Party playing to the hands of Republicans. Garland was a weak Attorney General. Numerous congressman asked, begged trump for pardons before he left office; on the night of and after the January 6th insurrection, every single member of the Republican house voted not to certify the election. These actions should have warranted, at the very least, an ethics probe if not charges of sedition. Biden and the incoming democratic majority continue the annoying and long-standing tradition from the civil war to Iraq of allowing those who would undermine, lie to, and harm democracy to get away with their deeds only to then watch them feel emboldened to come back and do it again - looking squarely at you incoming congress.

I have no problems with any of the Biden pardons. None whatsoever, especially since the Supreme Court ruling allowing the executive branch to practically do whatever I wanna be clear here: anyone in a minority class, voting Republican is self hating. What those pardons did though was so these classes that Biden promised to protect that he was able to protect himself and his family, but not them. He gave father to those who always claim, wrongly, that voting republican means that you are an off of the plantation free thinker.

Those are most of the criticisms I think go with the Biden legacy.

Fair enough; but imagine if President Biden hadn’t offered the olive branch of bipartisanship:

Probably no infrastructure bill or other significant pieces of legislation.



President Biden played the Washington game - for better or worse. I say for better.





Failure to better communicate his administration’s accomplishments and to assign some culpability to DonOld’s administration for inflation, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Gaza, etc, WAS a failure of epic proportions, but President Biden was at the mercy of the corporate media who did little to amplify his accomplishments or DonOld’s culpability for inflation, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Gaza, etc.

It is what it is.

 

[Bn2f]

Fair enough; but imagine if President Biden hadn’t offered the olive branch of bipartisanship:

Probably no infrastructure bill or other significant pieces of legislation.



President Biden played the Washington game - for better or worse. I say for better.





Failure to better communicate his administration’s accomplishments and to assign some culpability to DonOld’s administration for inflation, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Gaza, etc, WAS a failure of epic proportions, but President Biden was at the mercy of the corporate media who did little to amplify his accomplishments or DonOld’s culpability for inflation, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Gaza, etc.

It is what it is.

You’re right and my post was lengthy enough that I should apologize for me not to put in that nuance. His administration accomplished so much with the slimmest of majorities. This incoming administration will not have the VP burdened with sitting over Congress. This incoming administration will not have two openly turncoat republicans in the Senate. I will let this correction stand to also say that I still believe that this incoming administration won’t accomplish as much as the Biden administration.

 

[Lazaran]

You’re right and my post was lengthy enough that I should apologize for me not to put in that nuance. His administration accomplished so much with the slimmest of majorities. This incoming administration will not have the VP burdened with sitting over Congress. This incoming administration will not have two openly turncoat republicans in the Senate. I will let this correction stand to also say that I still believe that this incoming administration won’t accomplish as much as the Biden administration.

Excellent observations.

Agree

 

[Politruk]

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