Biden's Legacy

[HumpDayHoratio]

He’s down to around 6 hrs now. Please Mr Obama…keep him away from the Red Button!

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ShaneoD]

Damn I'd forgotten about the Afghanistan withdrawal until I read through this thread, some of those videos were horrific, I'm guessing they didn't get circulated so much in the states. That was a particularly depressing moment, I should have stayed away from this thread.

 

[icanhelp1]

Well, this article is a little bit of a downer if you're Joe.

Voter's were asked for a brief description of Biden's Legacy and the results were arranged in a word cloud. When voters were asked whether they can remember a single Biden achievement, more than half say they cannot. Some 37 percent say they 'strongly' agree with the statement that they cannot name a single one. Even Democrats struggle. More than a third said they could not name a single achievement. The results echo an earlier poll, which found that voters ranked Biden as the least successful of recent president.

James Johnson, co-founder of J.L. Partners, said it was diabolical. 'As far as public opinion is concerned, you have to squint to see even the echoes of a legacy—and even then people are more likely to remember it negatively,' he said. 'Biden’s biggest achievements in office—such as legislation in Congress – are crowded out by the overriding view: That he was responsible for inflation, and that he was a mentally unwell Commander-in-Chief. 'Perhaps the history books will be different, but in the minds of the public there’s no legacy to be seen.'

I think that sums up Biden's Legacy perfectly, and it seems this is also how Americans as a whole, Republican or Democrat, also see it. I do hope this realization sinks into the mush that's Joe's brain before he dies. It would be a fitting end to his career as a grifter to see him realize that in reality, Americans as a whole regard him as a colossal failure.

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It needs to be said that Biden appeased Iran. Biden funded Iran and terrorism by not enforcing sanctions which led to terrorism on a global scale. Combine the weakness of the Afghanistan withdrawal, appeasing Iran, failure to challenge Putin at the beginnings of military buildup on the Ukrainian border, allowing our troops to be subjects to target practice from the Houthis, all led to the tragedy in Israel. Out of control inflation, out of control spending, putting a wet blanket on fossil fuel production at the worst possible time was disastrous. He split the country into tribal adversarial factions, he was a disuniter not a uniter. He pit progressive democrats against conservative republicans every step of the way, touting that MAGA was a threat to democracy. And then there’s the lawfare and weaponization of the justice system. Total failure.

 

[ll74]

This you bro?

A ROARBAG's type of post. Not conducive to honest deliberation or conversation. You're right I don't have to participate, and I won't.

Just askin

It needs to be said that Biden appeased Iran. Biden funded Iran and terrorism by not enforcing sanctions which led to terrorism on a global scale. Combine the weakness of the Afghanistan withdrawal, appeasing Iran, failure to challenge Putin at the beginnings of military buildup on the Ukrainian border, allowing our troops to be subjects to target practice from the Houthis, all led to the tragedy in Israel. Out of control inflation, out of control spending, putting a wet blanket on fossil fuel production at the worst possible time was disastrous. He split the country into tribal adversarial factions, he was a disuniter not a uniter. He pit progressive democrats against conservative republicans every step of the way, touting that MAGA was a threat to democracy. And then there’s the lawfare and weaponization of the justice system. Total failure.

 

[ll74]

Biden issued his preemptive pardon this morning.

The abuse of power is palpable and should be addressed via impeachment immediately, imo

 

[icanhelp1]

This you bro?

Just askin

I changed my mind. I do have respect for other people's opinions but thought I would share mine at this time.

 

[UltraChad]

Biden issued his preemptive pardon this morning.

The abuse of power is palpable and should be addressed via impeachment immediately, imo

But that would be MAGA REVENGE!!!

We can't have THAT.

 

[ll74]

But that would be MAGA REVENGE!!!

We can't have THAT.

You're not a serious person

 

[Lazaran]

Damn I'd forgotten about the Afghanistan withdrawal until I read through this thread, some of those videos were horrific, I'm guessing they didn't get circulated so much in the states. That was a particularly depressing moment, I should have stayed away from this thread.

Imagine the images if the U.S. had NOT left AFTER the rapey, racist, fascistic, misogynistic, corrupt orange traitor ordered the Afghan government to release 5,000 hardened Taliban fighters from prison AND appeased the Taliban by promising the U.S. would leave Afghanistan by a date certain if they didn’t attack U.S. forces…





Side note:

If President Biden had NOT exited Afghanistan, and the war there had heated up, the U.S. would have been in a faaaaar worse position to help Ukraine and Israel when they were attacked.





Also:

The exit from Afghanistan was remarkable in its scale & scope, and we can all be proud of our military for their magnificent skill and professionalism in its success. It is a disgrace that some call the exit a failure after 13 service members sacrificed their lives to contribute to the incredible success of the mission.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[ll74]

I changed my mind. I do have respect for other people's opinions but thought I would share mine at this time.

I appreciate your perspective on the topic. Please understand that. I just wish it was your first response.

Probably hold off on immediate comments ,else you have to explain your change of heart. I expected you'd participate in this thread...and I welcome your input on the topic..but the knee jerk was the issue here.

 

[ll74]

Haven't read this yet - but I already know I'm about 95% agreed with Sarah Isgar here

The Quiet Lawlessness of Joe Biden​

He was elected to restore norms but has done more damage to the rule of law than any other president.

And the perfect quote

But while these folks were worried about what violations Trump might commit, Biden was actually committing them. He may have been less upfront about his lawlessness than his predecessor, but he did significant damage to our constitutional order and the rule of law in the name of appeasing political supporters and attacking political opponents.
That’s Biden’s legacy—a quiet lawlessness that should live in infamy.

 

[UltraChad]

You're not a serious person

As a heart attack.

 

[ll74]

As a heart attack.

Lol...all you do here is dance.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Biden issued his preemptive pardon this morning.

The abuse of power is palpable and should be addressed via impeachment immediately, imo

100% agree. It's a horrible abuse of power. Sets a precedent too, if it is allowed to stand.

Give Trumps his due, too. He could have done this last go around but didn't, and chose to go thru the trials and all that came with those. ALong with allowing Rudy, Flynn and all the others to be put thru show trials as well. He chose NOT to abuse his power and allow the judicial system to follow it's path.

Biden chose to abuse his power. I have no idea how you would revoke these though.

He also chose t do this just before the inauguration on what, if you ask me, is a further deliberate attempt to create chaos and draw attention away from the incoming administration.

 

[ll74]

100% agree. It's a horrible abuse of power. Sets a precedent too, if it is allowed to stand.

It will stand. SCOTUS made that clear.

Give Trumps his due, too. He could have done this last go around but didn't, and chose to go thru the trials and all that came with those. ALong with allowing Rudy, Flynn and all the others to be put thru show trials as well. He chose NOT to abuse his power and allow the judicial system to follow it's path.

So you basically want to defend Trump in a thread about Biden.

Beat.

Biden chose to abuse his power. I have no idea how you would revoke these though.

You can't

 

[ShaneoD]

Imagine the images if the U.S. had NOT left AFTER the rapey, racist, fascistic, misogynistic, corrupt orange traitor ordered the Afghan government to release 5,000 hardened Taliban fighters from prison AND appeased the Taliban by promising the U.S. would leave Afghanistan by a date certain if they didn’t attack U.S. forces…





Side note:

If President Biden had NOT exited Afghanistan, and the war there had heated up, the U.S. would have been in a faaaaar worse position to help Ukraine and Israel when they were attacked.





Also:

The exit from Afghanistan was remarkable in its scale & scope, and we can all be proud of our military for their magnificent skill and professionalism in its success. It is a disgrace that some call the exit a failure after 13 service members sacrificed their lives to contribute to the incredible success of the mission.

JFC

SAD!!!

I think you've highlighted a problem foreigners have with the perception of Biden. He's not his own man, why does he have to follow, make your own decisions, all the world ever saw him as was a guy who didn't like Trump.

As for Afghanistan I think you're seeing it through rose tinted glasses. As an outsider I didn't see it as Biden getting ready to help Israel and Ukraine, I saw it as him abandoning the people of Afghanistan, I can't change my opinion on this after seeing women trying to pass babies over a security fence, we both know what they were afraid of. That was probably his first chance to show a spine, stay and support the people of Afghanistan, but instead he left and left so many billions worth of equipment there.

Again it's notable that you didn't mention the 170 Afghanistan citizens that lost their lives, but then again what does it matter if something happens outside of America.

 

[ChloeTzang]

And given all the political prosecutions and lawfare waged against Trump, Flynn, and others, Biden's statement is hypocrtical beyond belief

I believe in the rule of law, and I am optimistic that the strength of our legal institutions will ultimately prevail over politics. But these are exceptional circumstances, and I cannot in good conscience do nothing. Baseless and politically motivated investigations wreak havoc on the lives, safety, and financial security of targeted individuals and their families. Even when individuals have done nothing wrong—and in fact have done the right thing—and will ultimately be exonerated, the mere fact of being investigated or prosecuted can irreparably damage reputations and finances.

He's cemented his legacy in granite with this one, and that legacy is that he's the most corrupt, evil and hypocritical President in US history who's done his best to destroy everything central to our Republic - the Constitution, the Supreme Court and the Rule of Law.

 

[ChloeTzang]

It will stand. SCOTUS made that clear.

Sad, but true.

So you basically want to defend Trump in a thread about Biden.

Someone has to say it. LOL

You can't

I know. I'm just whining out loud.

 

[ll74]

And given all the political prosecutions and lawfare waged against Trump, Flynn, and others, Biden's statement is hypocrtical beyond belief

I believe in the rule of law, and I am optimistic that the strength of our legal institutions will ultimately prevail over politics. But these are exceptional circumstances, and I cannot in good conscience do nothing. Baseless and politically motivated investigations wreak havoc on the lives, safety, and financial security of targeted individuals and their families. Even when individuals have done nothing wrong—and in fact have done the right thing—and will ultimately be exonerated, the mere fact of being investigated or prosecuted can irreparably damage reputations and finances.

He's cemented his legacy in granite with this one, and that legacy is that he's the most corrupt, evil and hypocritical President in US history who's done his best to destroy everything central to our Republic - the Constitution, the Supreme Court and the Rule of Law.

I think you went hyperbolic here, but I agree with some of the spirit of the post.

When you wander into "evil" territory, it becomes a religious expression which is beyond governmental scrutiny,.imo

 

[ll74]

Someone has to say it. LOL

It diminishes your statement when you deflect.

I know. I'm just whining out loud.

Many do

 

[Lazaran]

Some of the handwringing and pearl clutching in this thread…



Laurel had better order moar fainting couches for those overcome with “the vapors”…



Selective & faux outrage / indignation at its finest…



Hilariously entertaining!!!





Well played, President Biden!!!

 

[ll74]

Some of the handwringing and pearl clutching in this thread…



Laurel had better order moar fainting couches for those overcome with “the vapors”…



Selective & faux outrage / indignation at its finest…



Hilariously entertaining!!!





Well played, President Biden!!!

Biden should not be making decisions to troll our forum.

This pardon is beyond serious, as are you.

 

[ShaneoD]

Hands up I just had to look this up (the pardon), part of me is wondering if this is Biden's revenge tour against the Democrats for replacing him, this sets a horrible precedent and even if no crimes have been committed it creates suspicion.

 

[ll74]

Hands up I just had to look this up (the pardon), part of me is wondering if this is Biden's revenge tour against the Democrats for replacing him, this sets a horrible precedent and even if no crimes have been committed it creates suspicion.

Whenever shit like this happens, it's best practice to think about what you would feel about it if the people you disagree with did something similar.

I agree with your sentiment completely here. I have already contacted my reps to begin impeachment.