Carson lied again. NO WEST POINT SCHOLARSHIP.

[VaticanAssassin]

I'm not "suggesting" it, I am telling you that.

The military doesn't give a single shit about congressional nominations. Period.
Why? Because they have their own fast-track for their own kids, and certain active duty enlisted folks. That's their playground, and they don't venture outside of it. Why should they? None of them are going to venture "outside the lines" and go to bat for some insufferable civilian like Carson.

I hope this lessens your ignorance somewhat, but I doubt it will.

So I take I take it that failed stomach staple is still lowering your IQ?

Seriously.... You and some other idiots here are reaching more than you do for Krispy Cremes on the other side of the table...

For entertainment value alone it is pure gold. !!

Please keep it up!

 

[sr71plt]

*Shaking head* The "fast track" for army officers to get their children well placed in the army IS West Point, via congressional appointment. (That's what most of the congressional appointments are, lunkhead.)

 

[RobDownSouth]

So I take I take it that failed stomach staple is still lowering your IQ?

Seriously.... You and some other idiots here are reaching more than you do for Krispy Cremes on the other side of the table...

For entertainment value alone it is pure gold. !!

Please keep it up!

Still incapable of admitting you are wrong, I see.....some things never change (except your wife's waistline of course, which continues to grow at an alarming rate with each passing year).

Why not tell us everything you know about the military, given your extensive experience with it? Pro-tip: Playing "call of duty" doesn't count.

 

[RobDownSouth]

*Shaking head* The "fast track" for army officers to get their children well placed in the army IS West Point, via congressional appointment. (That's what most of the congressional appointments are, lunkhead.)

West Point says otherwise.

Click the link in my post #37. Read the USMA's own guidelines.

Congress has nothing to do with the nomination of children of career military personnel.

You are absolutely one hundred percent in error here.

 

[RobDownSouth]

A story from Politico?

BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Here is a video clip of Dr. Ben Carson making that false claim again, just three weeks ago on the Charlie Rose show!

http://mediamatters.org/embed/clips/2015/11/06/43037/pbs-rose-20151009-bencarson

Spin that, you son of a whore!

 

[VaticanAssassin]

*Shaking head* The "fast track" for army officers to get their children well placed in the army IS West Point, via congressional appointment. (That's what most of the congressional appointments are, lunkhead.)

Rob never deals with facts. His ability to spin is only surpassed by his ability to spew racism, beat his children, lie, and eat donuts.....

 

[midwestyankee]

Look, if it were only about Carson having somewhat inaccurately characterized his scholarship offer from West Point in his memoir, which was written in the late 1990s, that would be one thing. Very few people have perfect recall or great archives of source materials from their teens when writing about themselves as mature adults. Thing is, as recently as August 13 of this year he repeated the same twist of the truth on his Facebook page. Here is the relevant part of his Facebook post:

Ben Carson Facebook Post August 13th 2015 (says he was thrilled to get offer from West Point)
Facebook ^
Posted on 11/6/2015, 1:13:07 PM by springwater13

The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school.

Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.​

This is not a case of Dr. Carson having made an error in his memoir. It is a case of Dr. Carson persisting in the telling of an exaggeration - something that most Republicans would, and have, call a lie if it came from Secretary Clinton or President Obama - when no such exaggeration is necessary to demonstrate his bona fides as a true up-from-poverty success story. The man has an extraordinary story, so what flaw in his character drove him to tell such a fib?

 

[Sean Renaud]

The book was copyrighted in 1990. That is not the late 90's. It's actually the earliest you can be and technically qualify. (Though if you remembered the late 80's as the early 90's I wouldn't call you unless we were playing trivial pursuit.) Again, I'm STARING AT THE BOOK PEOPLE!

I can still qualify that in my head as "Guy said he'd get me in!"

Yes, Republicans would have called it a lie. But we're not Republicans. We're human beings and that makes us better than the kind of scum who can't even express shame.

The fact that he has such an extraordinary story is what leads me to think he's not lying. Especially this one. It serves no real purpose. Sure it makes him look at little special, but it's too specific and too silly a lie for a sane person to bother with. IT's like if I told you that in High School I went out with Becky Lynch the vice captain of the cheerleader squad. I should go big or go home. This simply doesn't smell right.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Look, if it were only about Carson having somewhat inaccurately characterized his scholarship offer from West Point in his memoir, which was written in the late 1990s, that would be one thing. Very few people have perfect recall or great archives of source materials from their teens when writing about themselves as mature adults. Thing is, as recently as August 13 of this year he repeated the same twist of the truth on his Facebook page. Here is the relevant part of his Facebook post:

Ben Carson Facebook Post August 13th 2015 (says he was thrilled to get offer from West Point)
Facebook ^
Posted on 11/6/2015, 1:13:07 PM by springwater13

The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school.

Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.​

This is not a case of Dr. Carson having made an error in his memoir. It is a case of Dr. Carson persisting in the telling of an exaggeration - something that most Republicans would, and have, call a lie if it came from Secretary Clinton or President Obama - when no such exaggeration is necessary to demonstrate his bona fides as a true up-from-poverty success story. The man has an extraordinary story, so what flaw in his character drove him to tell such a fib?

So when his instructors push for him to go and a high ranking general offers to get him in this does not constitute " thrilled to get a offer?"
Honestly?
This is skipping the fact the articles use of "applied" is 100% false and political propaganda for idiots.... Many of which can be found in this thread.

 

[sr71plt]

Rob never deals with facts. His ability to spin is only surpassed by his ability to spew racism, beat his children, lie, and eat donuts.....

His statement on this was just so far out there in not understanding the Army/West Point/U.S. Government/the logic of the universe. I forgot to mention, I guess, that my father was an Army officer.

 

[sr71plt]

Look, if it were only about Carson having somewhat inaccurately characterized his scholarship offer from West Point in his memoir, which was written in the late 1990s, that would be one thing. Very few people have perfect recall or great archives of source materials from their teens when writing about themselves as mature adults. Thing is, as recently as August 13 of this year he repeated the same twist of the truth on his Facebook page. Here is the relevant part of his Facebook post:

Ben Carson Facebook Post August 13th 2015 (says he was thrilled to get offer from West Point)
Facebook ^
Posted on 11/6/2015, 1:13:07 PM by springwater13

The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school.

Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point. But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.​

This is not a case of Dr. Carson having made an error in his memoir. It is a case of Dr. Carson persisting in the telling of an exaggeration - something that most Republicans would, and have, call a lie if it came from Secretary Clinton or President Obama - when no such exaggeration is necessary to demonstrate his bona fides as a true up-from-poverty success story. The man has an extraordinary story, so what flaw in his character drove him to tell such a fib?

Again, I'm not a Carson fan, but that answer of his is more shorthand than a lie. If you were offered an "in" into West Point by General Westmoreland, and you wanted to go and had the grades, clean record, and such to get in, you were going.

And as far as a scholarship, does everyone here realize what tuition, room, and board costs are at West Point? $0, nada, nothing. What's this scholarship nonsense? Are we talking about transportation, books, and a bit extra a month (cadets aren't let out much to do anything)? Peanuts, and that easily could have been offered as well.

Again, there's plenty in his nutty positions to go after. Don't muddy that with mud.

 

[mark_j]

So let me get this straight.

Carson is an outstanding ROTC troop.
Gets invited to a banquet given in honor of a CMH recipient.
Has a short chat with Westmoreland who extols the virtues of West Point and tells Carson that he can make a recommendation on Carson's behalf to the admissions board and in essence get Carson a full ride to West Point (all admissions to West Point are full ride).
Carson decides NOT to take the General up on his offer and never applies to West Point but goes to med school instead.
When he writes about it years later he uses the metaphor "scholarship" in place of appointment and or recommendation (to an 18 yo he may have actually thought that way).

Exactly what lie did he tell?

 

[someoneyouknow]

And the campaign collapse begins. Lit's wingnuts won't give up quite yet.

The real question is will the Fox tabloid defend his lie, and the others which seem to be on the horizon (pyramids used for grain storage and beating up kids at school which no one can corroborate), or will they use the same venom and vitriol they sling at Clinton or Kerry?

Will be interesting to see how their hypocrisy plays out.

 

[Sean Renaud]

So when his instructors push for him to go and a high ranking general offers to get him in this does not constitute " thrilled to get a offer?"
Honestly?
This is skipping the fact the articles use of "applied" is 100% false and political propaganda for idiots.... Many of which can be found in this thread.

Again, I'm not a Carson fan, but that answer of his is more shorthand than a lie. If you were offered an "in" into West Point by General Westmoreland, and you wanted to go and had the grades, clean record, and such to get in, you were going.

And as far as a scholarship, does everyone here realize what tuition, room, and board costs are at West Point? $0, nada, nothing. What's this scholarship nonsense? Are we talking about transportation, books, and a bit extra a month (cadets aren't let out much to do anything)? Peanuts, and that easily could have been offered as well.

Again, there's plenty in his nutty positions to go after. Don't muddy that with mud.

No most of us were not privy to that prior to this thread.

I won't speak for sr7 on this, but will the rest of you people please stop. I'm agreeing with Vatican Assassin and it makes me feel strange. Like when my priest touched me in my bathing suit area.

 

[someoneyouknow]

So let me get this straight.

Carson is an outstanding ROTC troop.
Gets invited to a banquet given in honor of a CMH recipient.
Has a short chat with Westmoreland who extols the virtues of West Point and tells Carson that he can make a recommendation on Carson's behalf to the admissions board and in essence get Carson a full ride to West Point (all admissions to West Point are full ride).
Carson decides NOT to take the General up on his offer and never applies to West Point but goes to med school instead.
When he writes about it years later he uses the metaphor "scholarship" in place of appointment and or recommendation (to an 18 yo he may have actually thought that way).

Exactly what lie did he tell?

Scholarship implies acceptance. A school does not give out or offer a scholarship unless they have accepted you for admittance.

If he never applied to West Point, how could he be accepted for a "scholarship" (which West Point doesn't even give out)?

Using the definition of scholarship:

From Dicitonary.com (second entry):

a sum of money or other aid granted to a student, because of merit, need, etc., to pursue his or her studies.

From Merriam-Webster (first entry):

a grant-in-aid to a student (as by a college or foundation)

Since Carson was never a "student" at West Point and never applied to West Point to be accepted, he could never have been offered a scholarship.

 

[DooleyDarter]

So let me get this straight.

Carson is an outstanding ROTC troop.
Gets invited to a banquet given in honor of a CMH recipient.
Has a short chat with Westmoreland who extols the virtues of West Point and tells Carson that he can make a recommendation on Carson's behalf to the admissions board and in essence get Carson a full ride to West Point (all admissions to West Point are full ride).
Carson decides NOT to take the General up on his offer and never applies to West Point but goes to med school instead.
When he writes about it years later he uses the metaphor "scholarship" in place of appointment and or recommendation (to an 18 yo he may have actually thought that way).

Exactly what lie did he tell?

Bingo, but when Hillary lies, people die, quite the equation.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Bingo, but when Hillary lies, people die, quite the equation.

Except Hillary didn't lie and people die. Even if she told a lie (she didn't, at this point that's not even up for question) the people were dead prior to her lie.

 

[DooleyDarter]

Except Hillary didn't lie and people die. Even if she told a lie (she didn't, at this point that's not even up for question) the people were dead prior to her lie.

The point sean, is she lied and you folks eat it up. It doesn't matter why she lied or when she lied. She is a liar pure and simple

 

[Sean Renaud]

The point sean, is she lied and you folks eat it up. It doesn't matter why she lied or when she lied. She is a liar pure and simple

Except she didn't lie. She's also not a liar (at least not by political standards).

 

[DooleyDarter]

Except she didn't lie. She's also not a liar (at least not by political standards).

the night of the Benghazi disaster the either texted or emailed her daughter and a few other heads of state in the shithole known as the middle east, it was a terrorist attack, but she told you and the rest of the US it was a movie that caused it all. This is FACT. because you choose not to believe it does not make is so.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Start your own thread about your opinion on Hillary, Dooley. That's what this forum is for.

This thread is about Carson's untruthiness fail. Your attempts at derailing it and piggybacking on someone else's steam for the sake of distraction gets you one hand clap.

 

[DooleyDarter]

Once again, black lives mutter

 

[midwestyankee]

Again, I'm not a Carson fan, but that answer of his is more shorthand than a lie. If you were offered an "in" into West Point by General Westmoreland, and you wanted to go and had the grades, clean record, and such to get in, you were going.

And as far as a scholarship, does everyone here realize what tuition, room, and board costs are at West Point? $0, nada, nothing. What's this scholarship nonsense? Are we talking about transportation, books, and a bit extra a month (cadets aren't let out much to do anything)? Peanuts, and that easily could have been offered as well.

Again, there's plenty in his nutty positions to go after. Don't muddy that with mud.

I am well aware of the costs - or lack thereof - of attending one of the U.S. military academies as my older son was very interested in the Air Force Academy and we visited the campus prior to his senior year in high school. My issue is not so much with the degree of dishonesty in the original telling and I fully agree that it's closer to a shorthand version than an outright lie, assuming it's true that someone gave him a verbal assurance of admission to West Point the night that he met General Westmoreland or shortly thereafter. Rather than shorthand, though, I take it to be a modest exaggeration. My issue is that by late summer he was surely aware enough of his position in the campaign to start paying attention to what he was saying in public about parts of his life that are in the public record. He maintained the modest exaggeration that he had received an offer from West Point - language that definitely means something quite different from what actually happened - and now he's having to backpedal because he did something stupid.

I think he was probably a heckuva fine surgeon but he's a lousy political candidate. He has said more than once that what he offers the American people are his life story, his faith, and his character. At the moment, in my eyes, he has an 0-2 count and the next pitch is not going to be a soft one down the middle.

 

[sr71plt]

I don't have a problem with him confusing the exact wording of an offer to go to West Point. (Nine-tenths of the posters here don't have a clue about how one gets into West Point either). If Westmoreland said he could get you into West Point, he was telling the truth. Carson didn't pursue it, so there's no reason for him to remember the details of it--even now. (although his handlers certainly should do so and get him straight. But the editor of his book should have fact checked what a scholarship to West Point amounted to as well.)

To me it's majoring in the minors and bringing any discussion on why he shouldn't be president down to meaningless minutia that then cheapens all of the other questioning of him. There is major nuttiness to point to his political positions. The West Point stuff is trivia and it makes those asking him questions about his past look petty.

 

[Sean Renaud]

the night of the Benghazi disaster the either texted or emailed her daughter and a few other heads of state in the shithole known as the middle east, it was a terrorist attack, but she told you and the rest of the US it was a movie that caused it all. This is FACT. because you choose not to believe it does not make is so.

No, that is not a fact. We can of course cite her exact words.