Could you vote for Hillary Clinton?

[Netzach]

The best thing that could happen for any Dem. candidate would be for Huckabee to get the Republican nom. That guy is so far up the Consertive Christian's collective asses that most moderate/liberal republicans won't vote for him, and will either vote third party or vote for the Dem nom. if they are remotely "conservative."

That said, I would vote for Hilary but i am hoping she doesn't get the nomination at all.

You are right in a sane strategic sense, but I never thought I'd live to see the last 8 years. I take no chances in what I hope for.

 

[intothewoods]

I'm an Edwards supporter, but I could vote for Hillary and will vote for Hillary if she's the Democratic candidate. I suppose if it were Rudy v. Hillary, I might think about it for a second, if only because they've got some similarities!

I am not a Hillary fan. I think she has done well as a strategist, but I don't feel like she really stands for much as a candidate. I know what Edwards is about, and Obama, but Hillary is ... experience? Right, about as much as Fred Thompson.

That said, I think the hatred of her is sort of ridiculous. While I don't think she's done all that much to earn my admiration, neither has she done enough to deserve the intense hatred some people have for her.

It really ticks me off to hear the they're-all-the-same routine. After George W. Bush, I could never even think for a second, well, Dem or Republican, it's all the same.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

I'm too lazy this morning to go back and find the post that lauded Hillary's ability to put together an efficient and effective team/staff, but ...

Clinton urges Iowa voters to caucus on wrong day

DES MOINES (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton may have shot herself in the foot trying to get Iowa voters to pledge support to her -- she is encouraging them to go caucus on January 14, 11 days too late.

At a rally featuring her husband, former U.S. President Bill Clinton on Saturday, campaign workers asked supporters to sign and mail cards that said "Yes! I'm an Iowan for Hillary" with their contact information as well as other supportive friends.

One small problem. In the upper right-hand corner of the card, it says "I, _____, pledge to support Hillary Clinton at my precinct caucus on January 14, 2008."

Unfortunately, that's 11 days too late. The Iowa caucuses are January 3 and organization is key to getting voters to go to the events and support their preferred candidate.

The Politico.com, an Internet site that specializes in politics and first reported the mistake, said at Bill Clinton's second event on Saturday the cards had the wrong date crossed out and replaced with the correct date.​

 

[Marquis]

I'm greatly looking forward to voting for Hillary Clinton, the next President of The United States of America.

I'll take any viable Democratic candidate over ANY Republican candidate, but I won't feel totally betrayed by my nation if Giuliani or McCain were to be elected, as I felt in the last two presidential elections.

I think Obama is a swell kid but he's just not ready and honestly this whole business of him running is more than a little ridiculous. I don't see it happening anymore, but if he were Hillary's running mate that would set him up well for a run in 8 years. You can't just give one good speech and get so gassed up from everyone blowing smoke up your ass that you think you deserve to be president of the USA.

Hillary Clinton is one of the most qualified candidates for president we've seen in fucking decades. So she's a little dry, big fucking deal, I want someone who is going to work like a dog to dig us out of the hole Bush has put us in in the last 8 years. There's no one running now that I trust to be able to do that more than her.

 

[intothewoods]

I'm too lazy this morning to go back and find the post that lauded Hillary's ability to put together an efficient and effective team/staff, but ...

Clinton urges Iowa voters to caucus on wrong day

DES MOINES (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton may have shot herself in the foot trying to get Iowa voters to pledge support to her -- she is encouraging them to go caucus on January 14, 11 days too late.

At a rally featuring her husband, former U.S. President Bill Clinton on Saturday, campaign workers asked supporters to sign and mail cards that said "Yes! I'm an Iowan for Hillary" with their contact information as well as other supportive friends.

One small problem. In the upper right-hand corner of the card, it says "I, _____, pledge to support Hillary Clinton at my precinct caucus on January 14, 2008."

Unfortunately, that's 11 days too late. The Iowa caucuses are January 3 and organization is key to getting voters to go to the events and support their preferred candidate.

The Politico.com, an Internet site that specializes in politics and first reported the mistake, said at Bill Clinton's second event on Saturday the cards had the wrong date crossed out and replaced with the correct date.​

Who has two thumbs and doesn't care? ITW. There are so many important issues. This is nada.

 

[intothewoods]

I'm greatly looking forward to voting for Hillary Clinton, the next President of The United States of America.

I'll take any viable Democratic candidate over ANY Republican candidate, but I won't feel totally betrayed by my nation if Giuliani or McCain were to be elected, as I felt in the last two presidential elections.

I think Obama is a swell kid but he's just not ready and honestly this whole business of him running is more than a little ridiculous. I don't see it happening anymore, but if he were Hillary's running mate that would set him up well for a run in 8 years. You can't just give one good speech and get so gassed up from everyone blowing smoke up your ass that you think you deserve to be president of the USA.

Hillary Clinton is one of the most qualified candidates for president we've seen in fucking decades. So she's a little dry, big fucking deal, I want someone who is going to work like a dog to dig us out of the hole Bush has put us in in the last 8 years. There's no one running now that I trust to be able to do that more than her.

I don't see Obama winning at this point, but there is that whole Kennedy comparison.

 

[HB1965]

I don't see Obama winning at this point, but there is that whole Kennedy comparison.

All the young, good looking candidates get compared with Kennedy. It never really sticks.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

All the young, good looking candidates get compared with Kennedy. It never really sticks.

When the young, good looking candidate has real military, combat experience, has several years of public service under his belt, when the young good looking candidate has team building skills, leadership ability and an articulate vision for the future, the Kennedy comparison _might_ stick.

Until then, the comparison won't hold water.

It sucks when the two candidates with policy planks that best match my own beliefs are Mitt Romney and Brownback...

 

[ammre]

I'm voting Democratic. I don't give a rat's ass who it is. I have absolutely no preference at this time, amongst the Democrats on the list. But then, knowing me, you all probably knew how I'd vote!

ditto. I'd prefer Obama, but if Hillary is put up front for the dems, i'd vote for her.

 

[Netzach]

I would vote for Nixon's dusty bones, socks the Clinton Cat, a monthold serving of mcFries.

 

[OzoneRed]

My first thought was that this thread really belongs on the General Board.

But this morning I realized that, no, the BDSM Cafe is correct forum.

Because only a masochist would vote for Hilliary Clinton.

 

[FurryFury]

My first thought was that this thread really belongs on the General Board.

But this morning I realized that, no, the BDSM Cafe is correct forum.

Because only a masochist would vote for Hilliary Clinton.

LMAO!

Yes!

Great post!

 

[FurryFury]

I would vote for Nixon's dusty bones, socks the Clinton Cat, a monthold serving of mcFries.

Y'all are cracking me up today!

 

[Sir_Winston54]

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I think W's presidency has really illustrated how important it is to have a president who can create a good team. So I really find myself thinking in terms of that right now. Hillary, despite everything I dislike about her, would probably create a pretty damn good team.

I'm too lazy this morning to go back and find the post that lauded Hillary's ability to put together an efficient and effective team/staff, but ...

Who has two thumbs and doesn't care? ITW. There are so many important issues. This is nada.

First you say having a good team is important, and imply (at least) that you're in favor of a Hillary presidency. When it's pointed out that her team screwed up royally on something as basic and vital to her hopes as the date the Iowa caucus is to be held, you pooh-pooh the point and say "This is nada," implying that having a good team is not an important issue. Is it or is it not important?

 

[intothewoods]

First you say having a good team is important, and imply (at least) that you're in favor of a Hillary presidency. When it's pointed out that her team screwed up royally on something as basic and vital to her hopes as the date the Iowa caucus is to be held, you pooh-pooh the point and say "This is nada," implying that having a good team is not an important issue. Is it or is it not important?

I'm not saying it's unimportant. I'm saying it's not that important in the grand scheme of things. All of the campaigns have fucked something up. And they will again. It's ridiculously hard to run a flawless campaign - all of the manpower required is out of this world. Some dickhead didn't check the postcard. Multiple dickheads probably. I'm not saying it's nothing. I just get tired of choosing a president based on a fuck up. Howard Dean lets out a primal yell, and that's the end of it. No, that's not the whole story, but my point is that it's so easy for a candidate to lose this mythical thing called momentum.

Clinton would likely assemble a more experienced team than say, Obama - she has more people with experience in her corner. That was my only point.

 

[JMohegan]

First you say having a good team is important, and imply (at least) that you're in favor of a Hillary presidency. When it's pointed out that her team screwed up royally on something as basic and vital to her hopes as the date the Iowa caucus is to be held, you pooh-pooh the point and say "This is nada," implying that having a good team is not an important issue. Is it or is it not important?

Somehow I doubt that the campaign grunts responsible for printing postcards in Iowa would be asked to serve in Ms. Clinton's Cabinet or the upper echelon's of her White House staff.

I agree with ITW - on both points you quoted.



As for the question at hand, I plan to vote for Obama in the primary, and for whomever is the Democratic candidate in the general election this fall.

I don't despise Clinton, but she lost my respect and any chance of obtaining my enthusiastic support when she voted in favor of the Patriot Act and the Iraq War.

 

[Marquis]

I don't despise Clinton, but she lost my respect and any chance of obtaining my enthusiastic support when she voted in favor of the Patriot Act and the Iraq War.

OK, this at least is a valid point and one I can empathize with.

Look, I'm not saying Hillary isn't a populist, but can you really tell me that you think Obama is capable of doing more for the nation than Hillary?

 

[JMohegan]

OK, this at least is a valid point and one I can empathize with.

Look, I'm not saying Hillary isn't a populist, but can you really tell me that you think Obama is capable of doing more for the nation than Hillary?

I honestly don't know.

Obama's obvious intelligence is refreshing, to say the least. And as far as measured dignity, potential for inspiring leadership, and capacity for eloquent diplomacy go, I'd say he's unmatched by any candidate on either side.

But you're right, his resume is awfully skimpy at the moment.

Clinton has broader experience, you're right about that too. But since part of that experience includes a senatorial voting record that I consider to be totally unacceptable, I can't support her except as a last resort.

 

[intothewoods]

I honestly don't know.

Obama's obvious intelligence is refreshing, to say the least. And as far as measured dignity, potential for inspiring leadership, and capacity for eloquent diplomacy go, I'd say he's unmatched by any candidate on either side.

But you're right, his resume is awfully skimpy at the moment.

Clinton has broader experience, you're right about that too. But since part of that experience includes a senatorial voting record that I consider to be totally unacceptable, I can't support her except as a last resort.

Marquis' question is the million dollar question for Dems right now!

I absolutely lost any respect I had for her when she started this whole hawkish routine. Although frankly, it's not that surprising. Bill Clinton was kind of a centrist in some respects. He wasn't all that great for civil liberties at the time, actually - kind of like Rudy Guliani.

And after Kerry, I think so many democrats just feel like, damn it to hell, I am not going to support someone I feel icky about, just to lose anyway.

 

[intothewoods]

Btw, on the "obvious intelligence" point...It's truly amazing how low my standards are now. I was listening to Huckabee talk about his faith, and I thought, well, ok, so he's anti-choice, anti-gay marriage, anti-everything I support, but at least he sounds halfway intelligent when he discusses these things!

 

[HottieMama]

Huckabee getting the Rep. nom is sincerely my wet dream!

 

[Marquis]

I honestly don't know.

Obama's obvious intelligence is refreshing, to say the least. And as far as measured dignity, potential for inspiring leadership, and capacity for eloquent diplomacy go, I'd say he's unmatched by any candidate on either side.

But you're right, his resume is awfully skimpy at the moment.

Clinton has broader experience, you're right about that too. But since part of that experience includes a senatorial voting record that I consider to be totally unacceptable, I can't support her except as a last resort.

OK, I think you're making some excellent points here and I'm not claiming to be a super political buff by any means, but here is my thinking on this:

How much of any job, even POTUS, is about policy choices and creativity and how much of it is about skillful execution?

I have little doubt that Obama's platform matches my personal beliefs more than Hillary's. What I doubt is his competence. Is he going to be able to get shit done in an efficient and economical way?

How much "shrinkage" are you willing to put up with in exchange for a leader who will champion your ideals?

I don't think I would feel this way if the country wasn't in the situation it is in now. I don't need to be awe inspired, I just want someone to clean up the mess.

 

[Netzach]

Btw, on the "obvious intelligence" point...It's truly amazing how low my standards are now. I was listening to Huckabee talk about his faith, and I thought, well, ok, so he's anti-choice, anti-gay marriage, anti-everything I support, but at least he sounds halfway intelligent when he discusses these things!

And likeable! By far the funniest presidential hopeful ever on NPR. He *did* pardon the Stones.

 

[Netzach]

OK, I think you're making some excellent points here and I'm not claiming to be a super political buff by any means, but here is my thinking on this:

How much of any job, even POTUS, is about policy choices and creativity and how much of it is about skillful execution?

I have little doubt that Obama's platform matches my personal beliefs more than Hillary's. What I doubt is his competence. Is he going to be able to get shit done in an efficient and economical way?

How much "shrinkage" are you willing to put up with in exchange for a leader who will champion your ideals?

I don't think I would feel this way if the country wasn't in the situation it is in now. I don't need to be awe inspired, I just want someone to clean up the mess.

It's not whether I hate her.

It's that so many people hate her.
No matter what she wants it's not going to happen just because it's her. I don't think anyone's going to LET her have the credit for "cleaning up the mess" you know?

 

[intothewoods]

And likeable! By far the funniest presidential hopeful ever on NPR. He *did* pardon the Stones.

He really is. The guy cracks me up. Hell, he was a regular on Bill Maher, and that scores points with me. But it's funny how differently people define 'likeable,' huh?