Eeeeeehehehehe!!!

[rcfstl]

Yes, but what about the rest of them? People tend to forget that he wasn't the only one tortured and executed.

Well mostly only in France, they were Cathars and Herectics afterall.

 

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Well mostly only in France, they were Cathars and Herectics afterall.

Are you sure of that?

They were chased and persecuted across most of Europe. It's all because the king had frittered away all of the royal treasure and was in debt to them, you know.

 

[rcfstl]

Are you sure of that?

They were chased and persecuted across most of Europe. It's all because the king had frittered away all of the royal treasure and was in debt to them, you know.

I know but in England and Spain and the Empire they were either underground, were renamed or absorbed by other orders. Some of them were warned and escaped France.

 

[entitled]

I know but in England and Spain and the Empire they were either underground, were renamed or absorbed by other orders. Some of them were warned and escaped France.

Well over half were still captured. Most of those WERE in France, but about a quarter of those captured were in other countries.

 

[rcfstl]

Well over half were still captured. Most of those WERE in France, but about a quarter of those captured were in other countries.

But a lot of the ones outside France were given show trials and then released. Would have to do some research for the numbers but the French were the most brutal and they were doing it for the money and nullify the debt ( you are right).

 

[entitled]

But a lot of the ones outside France were given show trials and then released. Would have to do some research for the numbers but the French were the most brutal and they were doing it for the money and nullify the debt ( you are right).

There were still a number of them outside France that were executed. More for show than anything, you're right there, but it happened.

 

[rcfstl]

There were still a number of them outside France that were executed. More for show than anything, you're right there, but it happened.

Well they should have know better than to lend money to the French! There round church in london is really cool.

 

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Well they should have know better than to lend money to the French! There round church in london is really cool.

Actually, the trouble with the French started when they refused - until they were threatened with excommunication.

Little-known fact: There has been found, in the church archives, a posthumous pardon for all of the templars, written two years after their executions.

i would like to go and see it. i just want to go to London. *L*

 

[rcfstl]

Actually, the trouble with the French started when they refused - until they were threatened with excommunication.

Little-known fact: There has been found, in the church archives, a posthumous pardon for all of the templars, written two years after their executions.

i would like to go and see it. i just want to go to London. *L*

I did not get to go inside they were having some choir concert and the BBC was recording it. But London is really neat. history on every corner and strange to think you are walking the same streets as kings and knaves. Stonehenge is just eerie

 

[entitled]

I did not get to go inside they were having some choir concert and the BBC was recording it. But London is really neat. history on every corner and strange to think you are walking the same streets as kings and knaves. Stonehenge is just eerie

There's a little bit of decent Templar info here: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14493a.htm

i would just like to go. It's interesting to me that the vikings actually laid out a good portion of the city when they were accepted and bred intot he culture of the people that were already there, and that the city just kept growing as civilization changed.

 

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After a formal trial which began April 11, 1310 in France the Templar's were allowed to "defend themselves" without the confidence of their grandmaster. Five hundred forty turned out to do so, and the King of France took the opportunity to reopen proceedings against these knights. Eventually in late 1310 fifty four recanted Templars were summarily burned at the stake en masse outside of Paris, and any Templars who had resisted the torture were sentenced to life in prison. In all 120 Templars were burned at the stake.

This was in France

 

[rcfstl]

After a formal trial which began April 11, 1310 in France the Templar's were allowed to "defend themselves" without the confidence of their grandmaster. Five hundred forty turned out to do so, and the King of France took the opportunity to reopen proceedings against these knights. Eventually in late 1310 fifty four recanted Templars were summarily burned at the stake en masse outside of Paris, and any Templars who had resisted the torture were sentenced to life in prison. In all 120 Templars were burned at the stake.

This was in France

Too bad I donated all my Templar books when I moved the last time. I think I have one left if you dont count "Holy Blood Holy Grail"

 

[entitled]

Too bad I donated all my Templar books when I moved the last time. I think I have one left if you dont count "Holy Blood Holy Grail"

i want a copy of Holy Blood!!! Been looking for one for a couple of years now, and can't find it without ordering online.

 

[rcfstl]

i want a copy of Holy Blood!!! Been looking for one for a couple of years now, and can't find it without ordering online.

I have had mine since it first came out. Its pages are getting yellow and worn, but it is a great book. Love the Cathars

 

[entitled]

I have had mine since it first came out. Its pages are getting yellow and worn, but it is a great book. Love the Cathars

i'm more curious to read it because it has to do with the 'what ifs' of Christianity and the Christian belief system.

Then again, i wouldn't mind seeing the whole church system fall... Not the religion itself, mind you, just the institution of the church.

 

[entitled]

Hey! Go clean your box out.

 

[rcfstl]

i'm more curious to read it because it has to do with the 'what ifs' of Christianity and the Christian belief system.

Then again, i wouldn't mind seeing the whole church system fall... Not the religion itself, mind you, just the institution of the church.

Some of it is kind of far fetched but if you read the Da Vinci Code you can get the gist of it

 

[entitled]

Some of it is kind of far fetched but if you read the Da Vinci Code you can get the gist of it

I read it, and passed it on. The Woman With the Alabaster Jar, too. Went to the same person.

Fun pastime: Mention those three books in any bookstore and see which others are recommended. i've got a list of titles three notebook pages long.