George Bush is awesome!

[shereads]

Re: If the ICC wants them ..

I am sure we will give them to them eventually. Historically Europe has violated the convention more than the U.S. The red cross tried to go into Iraq earlier and got blown up. I think the US asked the UN for help before we started this. Slowly things are changing.

The prophet speaks. The prophet doesn't document his assertion that Europe has violated the convention more than the U.S., nor for that matter does he explain why it's a contest. But patriots take that sort of thing on faith.

We asked the UN to make Saddam get rid of his weapons of mass destruction. Remember those? They must have complied with our request.

 

[shereads]

Thanks to you MightyZor, I have finally found the right place to stick this.

http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/ATA/24593GB.jpg

VB, it's cruel to quote the president. What if you had been born a president? Would you want people to quote you like that?

 

[lucky-E-leven]

Evenin' Sher

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

VB, it's cruel to quote the president. What if you had been born a president? Would you want people to quote you like that?

I won't poke fun at W so long as he stays shut up in his sheltered oval office.

http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/finger/4410.gif I promise!

Naturally, if he opens his yap ...

 

[Blarneystoned]

Actions vs words

We came out of a recession.
We occupy Afghanistan
We captured Sadaam.
More people own homes than ever before.
And we still have free speech.

Blarneystoned

 

[lucky-E-leven]

Re: Actions vs words

We came out of a recession.
We occupy Afghanistan
We captured Sadaam.
More people own homes than ever before.
And we still have free speech.

Blarneystoned

All for the low low price of billions of dollars in debt.
Thousands of lives lost.
The destruction of U.S. relations with the U.N.
A potential instatement of the draft.
This list could be very, very long...

 

[Blarneystoned]

Some European violations

Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya...the nice thing about European violations is that you can always say well its not in my borders...meanwhile genocide and ethnic cleansing go on...militias clash and life goes on.

Blarneystoned..

 

[shereads]

Re: Some European violations

Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya...the nice thing about European violations is that you can always say well its not in my borders...meanwhile genocide and ethnic cleansing go on...militias clash and life goes on.

Blarneystoned..

Those wars were violations of the Geneva Convention? Is that what you're saying?

Logic aside, you might want to be careful about calling that "civil matter" in Eastern Europe a genocide, since your president accused Clinton of "nation building" when he intervened. Remember? Rumsfeld was critical of the previous administration for failing to negotiate a diplomatic solution with Mr. Milosovich, and putting U.S. lives at risk for something that was none of our business. He also felt that Clinton should have handled Bosnia with "less caution, more shock & awe."

For Rumsfeld to have been critical of anyone else's war planning seems a little silly now, doesn't it?

 

[shereads]

Blarney, you're too easy. It's not even worth feeling smug over. Hint: don't ever accuse me of not reading enough. What I don't know, I can find out. And I already know more than you do about Nixon, J. Edgar Hoover, our support of French colonialism in Southeast Asia, the rejected attempt by Ho Chi Mihn to appease the U.S. before we sent troops into Vietnam, the corrupt puppet government we foisted upon the South Vietnamese, Saddam Hussein's relationships with Republican presidents, Dick Cheney's trade embargo violations at Halliburton, George W. Bush's insider trading and SEC filing violations, how he got off the hook with the SEC; Cheney's colonial ambitions as expressed in the Project for the New American Century, the outing of Ambassador Wilson's wife, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeze Rice, Colin Powell, the Geneva Convention, Jimmy Carter, John Ashcroft, the Bush family's business relationships with the Saudi royal family, which Bin Laden (Saleem) invested in GWB's first business venture, and which palm tree fertilizer makes the best all-purpose fertilizer for ornamentals in Zone 11. If I knew anymore, I'd know everything - and that's your job.



Goodnight.

 

[Blarneystoned]

Clinton had us bombing from 30 000 feet in the air and we hit nothing...there were thousands of tanks that survived our "safe altitude bombing" Clinton was a military moron. You forget he went to Russia during Vietnam.

Blarneystoned


P.S. Yes I call those conflicts genocides...dead is dead. The Russian Spez Naz were famous for tying you down and filing your teeth ...to make you more cooperative....lets hear from some Chechnyan leaders...oh they are dead. Ah well not in my borders.

 

[Blarneystoned]

"Hint: don't ever accuse me of not reading enough."

"I'm afraid I don't know enough early-century history to rank these presidents."

I will accuse you of reading too many newspapers and editorials..try some history books.


Blarneystoned

 

[shereads]

"Hint: don't ever accuse me of not reading enough."

Exactly. I read tons. I can't say for sure that it's why I know more than you do about government; it could just be that you don't listen and you don't learn; or it could be your tendency to ignore facts that don't support your views, and to change the subject when confronted with questions you don't want to answer.

"I'm afraid I don't know enough early-century history to rank these presidents."

I said that. It's okay to admit what we don't know, and I don't know enough about the presidents of the first half of the twentieth century to presume that I could rank them in order of merit. Have you ever admitted that you don't know enough to answer a question? It's refreshing; and strangely enough, it can make you seem less ignorant than if you fake an answer.

I will accuse you of reading too many newspapers and editorials..try some history books.

And you will be wrong. I'm not going to recreate from memory a bibliography of everything I've read; the fact that I can cite facts and provide links to document them is sufficent proof that I know what you don't. So far, you've given us a list of casualties from WWII and a lot of opinions. Is that it? The question of Bush's alleged awesomeness and the need, or lack of a need for the reinstatement of the draft, are settled because you listed the number of dead people from various wars?

Allrighty, then. Next?

BTW: That comment about Clinton and Bosnia contained so much irony, it was almost as if you were satirizing yourself. Did we not kill enough civilians with our high-altitude bombing to turn Bosnia into the roaring success that Iraq is proving to be? And was Rumsfeld's Vietnam experience the reason he was able to see what the draft-evading Clinton could not?

Got your shorts caught in the door with that one, didn't you.

My work is done here. Goodnight.

 

[shereads]

Blarney, history is written by the winners. It's interesting to read history, but if you don't vary your sources a bit, there's a danger of having a one-dimensional view of things that doesn't work in a debate forum.

You have the privilege of access to a free press, for a while at least, no thanks to neocons like Ashcroft (this is your cue to remind me that soldiers fought for our freedom; I know that, for God's sake, and it has nothing to do with Iraq or George W. Bush, so don't even go there.) Surely you can find a newspaper somewhere that isn't left-wing. Statistically, journalists tend to rank themselves as liberal on social issues, conservative on economic issues; but their publishers and editors are the ones who ultimately determine what you and I get to read, and more than half of them recommended GWB in their editorial pages in 2000. So the "liberal media" myth is a poor excuse to remain ignorant.

I've wasted enough time playing Bush Is Awesome. We all know he isn't awesome; even you know that. What we don't know is why Republicans in Congress like the war and hate the draft. We have our theories, though, and yours doesn't wash.


'Bye.

 

[pop_54]

Re: Re: Better living through chemistry

Yes. I, too remember the Clinton era with fondness.

Clinton... Don't know an awful lot about him other than a few news articles... Wasn't he the one who had a lot of trouble with the US Navy about redundant sailors or some such... I seem to remember some item regarding dicharged sea men getting him in hot water.

 

[shereads]

Re: Re: Re: Better living through chemistry

Clinton... Don't know an awful lot about him other than a few news articles... Wasn't he the one who had a lot of trouble with the US Navy about redundant sailors or some such... I seem to remember some item regarding dicharged sea men getting him in hot water.

Yes, you randy pirate. Clinton was the one who had sex and a brain.

Edited to add: His book will be on the shelves at the end of this month. Imagine! A U.S. President who can not only read a book, but write one. I hope there's some porn in a chapter or two. If Clinton Junior could talk...

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Re: Better living through chemistry

Clinton... Don't know an awful lot about him other than a few news articles... Wasn't he the one who had a lot of trouble with the US Navy about redundant sailors or some such... I seem to remember some item regarding dicharged sea men getting him in hot water.

*coffee sputter*

Good morning, Pops!

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Better living through chemistry

Yes, you randy pirate. Clinton was the one who had sex and a brain.

Edited to add: His book will be on the shelves at the end of this month. Imagine! A U.S. President who can not only read a book, but write one. I hope there's some porn in a chapter or two. If Clinton Junior could talk...

Sher - as usual, your intelligent words are falling on deaf ears.

Beautiful posts, though.

It is amazing that so many do not understand the significance of being a Rhodes Scholar. If more people realized how great an honor it was to be chosen - only 90 worldwide each year - perhaps that would make a greater impact (rather than making a slam about being somewhere else rather than in Vietnam. WHICH is laughable, considering our current administration's lack of military record.)

Rhodes Scholar

 

[shereads]

Speaking of people not getting with the program, here's some startling news from today's Washington Post: GWB's poll numbers on the economy continue to fall despite all those new minimum-wage jobs. You'd think that with conservatives announcing that it's now okay to spend money we don't have (they used to be against that, right?) more people would get behind our president.

excerpt:

War has usually been good for the economy in the short run, and this one appears no different. In the first three months of this year, defense work accounted for nearly 16 percent of the nation's economic growth, according to the Commerce Department.

But amid the car bombings, assassinations and continuing casualties, voters are generally pessimistic about the direction the nation is taking. Bush's negative ratings are rising not just on the economy but also on energy policy, foreign affairs and his handling of the prescription drug issue. Voters fixated on Iraq so far are not willing to see the improving economy through a positive prism, according to pollsters and Bush campaign aides.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Re: If the ICC wants them ..

I am sure we will give them to them eventually. Historically Europe has violated the convention more than the U.S. The red cross tried to go into Iraq earlier and got blown up. I think the US asked the UN for help before we started this. Slowly things are changing.

Blarneystoned

Quoted from another thread:

The US are one of only seven nations in the world who are consistently against ICC, along with China, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Qatar and Israel - all great company.

- They demand from the Security Council an ICC exemption for U.S. personnel operating in U.N. peacekeeping operations;

- They push for bilateral agreements with nations all around the world requiring them not to surrender American nationals to the ICC, thus getting U.S. nationals exempt from ICC jurisdiction, so that we have a two-tiered rule of law for the most serious international crimes: one that applies to U.S. nationals, and another that applies to the rest of the world's citizens.

- They get Congress to approve anti-ICC provisions in the American Servicemembers' Protection Act that include a prohibition on U.S. cooperation with the ICC; an "invasion of the Hague" provision, authorizing the President to "use all means necessary and appropriate" to free U.S. personnel (and certain allied personnel) detained or imprisoned by the ICC; punishment for States that join the ICC treaty, refusing military aid to States' Parties to the treaty (except major U.S. allies); a prohibition on U.S. participation in peacekeeping activities unless immunity from the ICC is guaranteed for U.S. personnel.


What exactly makes you think that "we will give them to them eventually"?

And really, if you're going to say that Europe has violated the convention more than the U.S., give me one example. Saying "Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya" doesn't mean anything unless you can point out the violations of the Geneva Convention occuring in those conflicts.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

...Clinton was a military moron. You forget he went to Russia during Vietnam. Blarneystoned

Geez, Stoned!

Oxford is in England, not Russia.

Those books you drone on about sure aren't on geography, now are they?

 

[pop_54]

Geez, Stoned!

Oxford is in England, not Russia.

Those books you drone on about sure aren't on geography, now are they?

He gets it all from a drunken terrorist in Dublin, or so it appears VB

 

[Colleen Thomas]

He gets it all from a drunken terrorist in Dublin, or so it appears VB

Pops,

How does one service a bird? And is that even leagal over there?

*UGS*

-Colly

 

[amicus]

I can't believe I read the whole thing!

I surmise there is no, 'Mighty Zor' I suspect Shereads hung a straw man from the rafter for bottom feeding liberals to gorge on.

Colly is a token conservative, and other than a mild support for the Military and a sense of the Reagan Mystique, shows no other free enterprise connections...

Blarneystone...ahh, what can one say..you got all kissy kissy with the bottom feeders along about page 8; opened up a little, gave a personal side expecting to be treated human. NOT!

The Liberal Left, sensing defeat in November, is desperate. They realize what impact another four years will have on the left wing agenda to 'socialize' America.

The Left Wing has been basically a 'minority party' since the Reagan years. The House, the Senate, a majority of State Houses, government appointee's, Judges, departmental heads, agency employees, all have been engaged in reducing regulation and the 'overlord' status of Government at all levels.

The Liberals see the writing on the wall and a 'free society' just scares the bejesus out of them.

In addition to the bottom feeders gorging on offal from above, they have loosed the other predators, the sharks and barracuda's, to prey on the innocent that wander across these pages.

There is a left liberal clique on this forum that bands together whenever anyone dares challenge the socialist mantra of modern liberal apologists.

They dredge the web to find supporting documentation for that assault, use name calling, vilification and pejorative personal statements to drive away any who would challenge.

They do not wish debate or discussion, they do not accept the use of logic or reason and if one dares to find an historical document to show the error of their ways...they run back to the web and find an opposing view.

Knowing all of this, I personally thought to challenge the socialist mentality to defend and justify the use of force (government) to mold society.

None will take up the challenge.

It was curious to note the criticism of FOX news as that channel only came into being in opposition to the left leaning CNN.

One has no hope of making progress in these discussions. My only reason for posting here is for the 90 percent who read and do not comment. Perhaps, at least, to show the other side of the argument...and...to call a spade a spade.

Originally posted by cloudy
Aack!!!

It's amicus' evil twin!!!!!

That got a laugh...thanks Cloudy!


Amicus

 

[Guest]

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[pop_54]

Pops,

How does one service a bird? And is that even leagal over there?

*UGS*

-Colly

Can't answer that one until after the watershed dear... The kids are still up and watching, that sort of thing isn't really appropriate before 9pm.

pops...........*Uge Ugs*

PS: is that you in the avatar??