Hardcore porn for women

[Black Tulip]

After getting educated by you lot

I can say I like hard core.

Let me know what happens. I'd like to be in, if you will have me.

 

[MrBates]

Hardcore

What an interesting thread.

I wonder if there are more women out there that really do like the kinky stuff; but are just hesitant to admit it?

I mean, I can't think of any more open place than Lit for a discussion like this. But I think a lot of the societal mores repress and/or discourage many women from admitting their true feelings. Maybe not, but it seems to me that there are SOME women who find stuff just as kinky as a lot of us guys like that turns them on.

I would agree completely with the comments that a lot of the airbrushed porn seems to be strictly done for males. I think a lot of porn fails to take into account HER pleasure.

And what's wrong with women saying HEY!!! We wanna see naked male pinups just like guys get naked FEMALE pinups in Playboy or whatever!

More power to you women who aren't afraid to stand up and admit it!

If you wanna see naked and erect guys, COOL FOR YOU!
But if you don't TELL anyone, then no one knows there's a market for it!

Ok . . . . I feel like I'm rambling and not making a lot of sense.

 

[Mhari]

I dunno, MB. Made plenty of sense to me!

And I certainly don't mind standing up and being counted as a chick who likes the hard stuff.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I don't think any of the writers on this site would doubt that there are some women who enjoy porn, which is what this thread is about. Obviously, the women who write it must like it or they wouldn't be writing it for their own enjoyment. At the same time, I don't think anybody would doubt that most readers or watchers of porn are men. Part of this is societal pressure because it is usually considered to be uncool to say you like porn, and especially so for women.

 

[BadBombshellBabe]

although many have tried to convince me otherwise...i REALLY thought i was the only female out here who liked really explicit material. reading all the posts brought a smile to my face!!

i've just determined the what i'm looking for is directed at a male audience...and that's fine with me. gee...i'm even guilty...have a look at my stories!!! Would love your opinion, SweetNPetite...I don't think it gets any smuttier than this!!

http://literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=106666

~e

 

[Dirty Slut]

The problem as I see it is...

That women are called sluts if they enjoy sex, and men are called studs. The disparity between the two meanings is just plain old fashioned bull shit. Being called a slut should be considered a good thing, both by men, and women. After all, as everybody knows all men are born sluts, so why not praise the women who feel the same way about sex as men do by making slut mean as much as stud in our vocabulary. Of course that would mean changing all of the male oriented dictionaries, now wouldn't it.

DS

 

[DirtyJJ]

although many have tried to convince me otherwise...i REALLY thought i was the only female out here who liked really explicit material. reading all the posts brought a smile to my face!!
~e

Me too. I think as others have said, it is just not as acceptable for women to admit they like "really nasty dirty filthy smutty stuff that nice girls arent supposed to like" (SnP). I can't imagine sitting around with my friends talking about how much I like hardcore porn, let alone having them know that I actually write it!

That's why I like to hang out here... with ladies who dispel the myth that all we want is romance and flowers...

 

[DirtyJJ]

Re: The problem as I see it is...

That women are called sluts if they enjoy sex, and men are called studs. The disparity between the two meanings is just plain old fashioned bull shit. Being called a slut should be considered a good thing, both by men, and women. After all, as everybody knows all men are born sluts, so why not praise the women who feel the same way about sex as men do by making slut mean as much as stud in our vocabulary. Of course that would mean changing all of the male oriented dictionaries, now wouldn't it.

DS

I totally agree with you DS. It's not a bad thing to be a slut, or feel like a slut, but that word has a mostly negative meaning. It's amazing how the word slut can take on such different connotations depending on how it's used. For example I know a man who, if we were in bed together, could call me a slut and it would just add to the experience. But one time he was telling me about a girl that he had sex with in the office after hours, and he half-jokingly called her a slut. In that scenario the way he said it had a negative and degrading vibe to it. Unfortunately this is probably not going to change anytime soon....

DJJ

 

[bridgeburner]

Okay, I just got this image from the film "Sorority Boys" where the "ugly" cross-dresser is at the sleep-over party introducing herself and says "Well, I'm addicted to porn..."

That's me....only I'm a real chick.

 

[Guest]

MALE POINT

I agree with Sweet and Dirty.
I am amazed at the number of women I see on this site. It has made me aware that the number enjoying is greater than imagined.
For sometime I thought a People type porn mag would be a big hit, but I will never develope it. My idea was to re-create that format without it looking like a Hustler. That way in my mind it could reach a larger audience.

Oh and I like like to be called a slut!

 

[Boxlicker101]

Originally posted by Dirty Slut:
That women are called sluts if they enjoy sex, and men are called studs. The disparity

That's not entirely true, DS. If women have sex with a lot of men, they are called whores if they do it for financial gain and sluts if they do it for other reasons, whether they enjoy it or not. A woman can go into ecstasy over sex with her husband or boyfriend and nobody would ever call her a slut or disparage her at all, except maybe a few uptight religious fundamentalists, male or female. Men are called whores or gigolos if they do it for personal gain and wolves if they do it for other reasons.

Men tend to be envious of other men who have sex with a lot of women and women tend to be contemptuous of women who have sex with a lot of men. Most men are not contemptuous of women who have sex with a lot of men, at least not publicly, because they hope to become part of that large group of men. Women tend to look down on people who are promiscuous, making references to "The Don Juan Syndrome" and whatever the female equivalent might be.

The reasons for this are that women, especially women who are as good looking as your AV, are easily able to have all the sex partners they want, whereas most men have to search and hunt to find available women. Not counting prostitutes, there are far more men sexually available than there are women.

 

[Black Tulip]

Me too. I think as others have said, it is just not as acceptable for women to admit they like "really nasty dirty filthy smutty stuff that nice girls arent supposed to like" (SnP). I can't imagine sitting around with my friends talking about how much I like hardcore porn, let alone having them know that I actually write it!

I second that from the bottom of my ah, ... heart.

That's why I like to hang out here... with ladies who dispel the myth that all we want is romance and flowers...

I have nothing against romance and flowers


as long as the fun doesn't stop there.

 

[bridgeburner]

Boxlicker said:

Men tend to be envious of other men who have sex with a lot of women and women tend to be contemptuous of women who have sex with a lot of men. Most men are not contemptuous of women who have sex with a lot of men, at least not publicly, because they hope to become part of that large group of men. Women tend to look down on people who are promiscuous, making references to "The Don Juan Syndrome" and whatever the female equivalent might be.

But this is the very root of the double standard. Men are not contemptuous of promiscuous women if there's a chance she might be promiscuous with them. They are, however, quite contemptuous of promiscuous women behind their backs particularly when it comes down to LTRs and marriage.

The attitude being "Yeah, I'd fuck her, but I wouldn't introduce her to my mother."

"Sure, you can blow me, but don't expect me to reciprocate since there's no telling how many men have been in your cunt."

Women perpetuate this by being contemptuous and condescending to their more promiscuous sisters. I think a lot of it is sour grapes --- they're jealous because they'd like to have more sex with more men but they're trapped because they'd also like to be respected by men and have a chance at a permanent relationship. This means they either abstain or they lie.

I got into a discussion with a male roommate and a friend of his about how many sexual partners we'd had in our lives. These guys were my friends not lovers, not fuckbuddies. Strictly platonic. Turns out that I'd had more sex partners than the two of them combined and it both shocked them and in the case of one, colored his view of me for the brief period of time our friendship continued.

There were serveral things at work I'm sure. Because we were friends and not lovers they might've felt that their masculinity had been challenged since I'd had more lovers. On the other hand, perhaps their feelings for me weren't so platonic as I thought and they were in turns irritated that I hadn't graced either of them with an invitation to sex and repulsed by the fact that I was so well "used". Alternately it could have something to do with my physical appearance. Both of them being quite good looking --- certainly better looking than I am--- and the idea that if I was getting laid then it was some kind of pity-fuck or drunk fuck kind of thing and I had to have horribly low self esteem.

Honestly, I have no idea what they really thought. All I know is that they were shocked --- one more so than the other and my roommate's friend looked faintly disgusted and stopped talking much to me when he'd come around.

One good thing came of it, however, I was reassured in my choice of roommate. What a great guy. He had some irritating friends, however. ;->


-B

 

[Guest]

I know this is a general discussion and no one's out to prove anything (I presume), but I do resent much of the generalities posted above. I speak for myself, and confidently for many of the women I've known in my life, all of us ranging from age 40 to 70+.

I do not look down on promiscuity in men or women. I like being a slut with a man who can appreciate it, but I do not label myself one in general as it has little to do with persona, i.e., I don't label myself a red-wine lover though it is the wine I prefer.

I appreciate sluts, the idea of them, but no matter how much substance there may be to labeling an individual woman a slut, it is only always one aspect of who she might be. So why the generalities and double standards? It has more to do with the culture one finds them in. A slut meant something very different to me when I was growing up a good catholic-girl. Now I am not that and am happy to act or be a slut when I choose.

I do find too many men who categorize women as sluts or other 'things'. I don't fuck them. Then there are the very few men who have been able to call forth the slut in me.

Perdita

 

[Guest]

But this is the very root of the double standard. Men are not contemptuous of promiscuous women if there's a chance she might be promiscuous with them. They are, however, quite contemptuous of promiscuous women behind their backs particularly when it comes down to LTRs and marriage.

The attitude being "Yeah, I'd fuck her, but I wouldn't introduce her to my mother."

"Sure, you can blow me, but don't expect me to reciprocate since there's no telling how many men have been in your cunt."

Women perpetuate this by being contemptuous and condescending to their more promiscuous sisters. I think a lot of it is sour grapes --- they're jealous because they'd like to have more sex with more men but they're trapped because they'd also like to be respected by men and have a chance at a permanent relationship. This means they either abstain or they lie.

-B

You are so right there, B, on all counts. I couldn't have put it better if I'd tried.

Lou

 

[Guest]

I know this is a general discussion and no one's out to prove anything (I presume), but I do resent much of the generalities posted above. I speak for myself, and confidently for many of the women I've known in my life, all of us ranging from age 40 to 70+.

I do not look down on promiscuity in men or women. I like being a slut with a man who can appreciate it, but I do not label myself one in general as it has little to do with persona, i.e., I don't label myself a red-wine lover though it is the wine I prefer.

I appreciate sluts, the idea of them, but no matter how much substance there may be to labeling an individual woman a slut, it is only always one aspect of who she might be. So why the generalities and double standards? It has more to do with the culture one finds them in. A slut meant something very different to me when I was growing up a good catholic-girl. Now I am not that and am happy to act or be a slut when I choose.

I do find too many men who categorize women as sluts or other 'things'. I don't fuck them. Then there are the very few men who have been able to call forth the slut in me.

Perdita

I was just thinking much the same thing, P. I don't consider myself a slut, but I do like to act the slut with my hubby. I also like to talk 'slutty' at times, but I am not perceived as 'slutty', this I am sure of. The two variations and meanings of the words are two completely different things.

Lou

 

[bridgeburner]

Perdita,

Yes, I used a lot of generalities and fortunately I'm able to steer clear of people who fall into that general category. I keep very few friendships with narrow-minded people.

Certainly not all men or women disparage promiscuity, but even some of my more liberal-minded friends have lines in the sand regarding this. I was faced with it myself not too long ago with a roommate who had a revolving door on her bedroom. It took me awhile to figure out that what made me uncomfortable was not the number of men she had sex with, but the reasons behind it. She wasn't blissfully experiencing multiple lovers, she was desperately trying to reaffirm her attractiveness after ending a long term relationship with a man who had destroyed her self esteem.

I was seriously distressed by my distress because I hadn't thought that such a thing as how many lovers a person had would make any difference to me. After careful thought I was happily reassured about what exactly bothered me and it wasn't the numbers. A lot of people will automatically believe, however, that it isn't possible to healthily engage in extreme promiscuity. Such a thing is nearly always determined in women to spring from a lack of self esteem. Such a woman may not be condemned but she is often pitied which is no better in my mind.

I think you and Tatelou bring up an interesting difference, though between "slutty" and promiscuous. Slutty can be interchanged with naughty or dirty or nasty and not have anything to do with the number of bed partners one engages in slutty behavior with.

I've known promiscuous women who weren't the least bit slutty in that sense and slutty women who weren't the least bit promiscuous.

While there are certainly people who object to kink, even among those who wholeheartedly embrace kink, there seems often to be a problem with sheer numbers of partners.



--B (stopping now as she realizes she's taken the thread verrrrry far afield.)

 

[Boxlicker101]

Double Standard?

I'm not sure what you mean by "double standards". Many years ago there was an attitude among some people that it was okay for men to gain sexual experience before marriage but it was not okay for women to do the same thing. The attitude was not all that widespread even then because promiscuity was never considered proper for either men or women, although it was considered necessary for men to gain some experience so they would know how to do "it". This experience was usually gained with prostitutes.

Even that was a long time ago, before the adult experience of the 70 year old women that Perdita mentions. If this is what you mean by the "double standard", it is almost non-existent in the United States or other countries with a strong Anglo influence although it is still somewhat common in Latin America. There is another double standard, though. Because men are so much more interested in casual sex than women, those (relativly) few women who are interested have their choice of sex partners.

If Bridge Burner was wondering about the change in attitude of her male roommate and his friend, it may have been envy. If she was able to have so many more sex partners than they did, even though they were better looking and generally more desirable, they would be envious of her. Men tend to be envious of those who are better off, and in this case, having a better sex life would be better off. There may have also been some resentment. "If all those other guys, why not me?" kind of thinking.

"Yeah, I'd fuck her, but I wouldn't introduce her to my mother."

"Sure, you can blow me, but don't expect me to reciprocate since there's no telling how many men have been in your cunt."

Those are quotes that Bridge Burner made up. The female attitude would more likely be "I wouldn't fuck anybody that I wouldn't introduce to my mother", which would illustrate the general attitude toward casual sex. A boyfriend or girlfriend might be introduced to parents but not a casual sex partner. That would be true for either men or women.

As for the other quote, I don't know any actual statistics but I would be willing to bet that there are more men who want to perform oral sex on women than there are women who want to perform oral sex on men, and most men don't care how many sex partners the woman has had, as long as she is clean, and by that, I mean bathes regularly.

I am writing in generalities when it comes to male and female attitudes toward casual sex. There are some men who believe that sex outside of marriage is unthinkable and there are some women who will, as the saying goes, "fuck anything in pants", but these are exceptions. The world would probably be a better place if men and women had the same attitude toward casual sex.

 

[oggbashan]

Fantasy and Reality

This is a writers' site.

We could write and read hard porn and never participate.

Does that make us "slutty"?

Imagination is a wonderful thing. Fantasies can add so much to a sexual encounter. A whip, a silk scarf, or whatever can arouse feelings even without being used. Writing is the ultimate fantasy. We can explore anything from romantic candlelit encounters to multi-tentacle penetration without moving from the keyboard.

If we can take our readers into our fantasies then we have done our task as writers.

Written sex is safe sex no matter what seems to happen.

Where did that tentacled horny alien go?

Og

 

[bridgeburner]

Boxlicker,

I'm not sure what you mean by "double standards".

From what you say later I think you understand what I was talking about you just don't agree that any such double standard still exists.

I'm curious as to why you believe that before the modern era most men were having their out of wedlock premarital experiences with prostitutes rather than non-sex workers. There have never been enough prostitutes in the US to account for the number of men who have premarital sexual experiences.

The truth of the matter is that there have always been women willing to have sex outside of marriage but not until the last 50 years or so have they been considered normal women. They were loose women. Or fallen women. Or trashy women. Or women with no other choice, fallen on hard times. Nobody was about to admit that any god-fearing woman in her right mind would go about having sex with men she was neither married to nor in a serious committed relationship with.

Women who did so were not "normal".

There is another double standard, though. Because men are so much more interested in casual sex than women, those (relativly) few women who are interested have their choice of sex partners.

Sorry, that's not a double standard. It's an imbalance of supply and demand but has nothing to do with arbitrary rules divided along gender lines. It's also changing as it becomes more acceptable for women to engage in casual sex. Contributing to this change is the increased ablity of women to support themselves without husbands. Rather than taking a husband for financial support and social status, women are more able to provide those things for themselves which means they can choose mates for love and personal compatability rather than preserving their chastity in order to better their chances on the marriage mart.

If Bridge Burner was wondering about the change in attitude of her male roommate and his friend, it may have been envy.

Yes, and I stated that as one possible reason as well as the other reasons that you went on to mention. Effectively all you've done is repeat what I said --- except for the part about me being generally less desirable which I did not say. All those reasons aside, however, what you seem not to believe is that I experienced any kind of censure, as well.

The female attitude would more likely be "I wouldn't fuck anybody that I wouldn't introduce to my mother", which would illustrate the general attitude toward casual sex.

The underlying message in that quote is that the woman isn't going to have sex with a man she doesn't intend to marry. This isn't the prevailing attitude among women today most of whom are not virgins when they marry.

I don't know any actual statistics but I would be willing to bet that there are more men who want to perform oral sex on women than there are women who want to perform oral sex on men

That may very well be since most men are more desirous of sex in general than most women, but I think the odds are against you in actual practice. I imagine that regardless of who really desires to do what to whom, more women give more blowjobs than they are likely to receive head themselves.

What do you see more of in porn? Men getting head or men eating women? This isn't to say that men don't like to give head, just that it's pretty much expected that women will do it in the most casual of sexual encounters but that men generally give head to women they care about. Say a couple meet in a bar and head off to the bathroom for a tryst. Is it more likely that she's going to go down on him or that he's going to go down on her?

most men don't care how many sex partners the woman has had, as long as she is clean, and by that, I mean bathes regularly.

When all that's in question is whether or not he's going to have sex with that woman right at that minute. When it comes to dating, long term relationships and marriage, however, the attitude is often different.

The world would probably be a better place if men and women had the same attitude toward casual sex.

This I can wholeheartedly agree with.


-B

 

[WordTwister]

sweetnpetite,

Permit me to wander back to the original question you posed when you started this thread. Although there is some formidable sites out there generally serving the target audience you are aiming for, please do not in any way back down from starting your own site.

There is always a need in the marketplace for a fresh approach by a passionate new entry who looks at what is out there and says "Its not enough". If you truly have this dream chase it. I have read what you post here at Lit and you have an honest, refreshing candor about your writing. I think you can be successful in whatever you choose!

 

[Dirty Slut]

I know this is a general discussion and no one's out to prove anything (I presume), but I do resent much of the generalities posted above. I speak for myself, and confidently for many of the women I've known in my life, all of us ranging from age 40 to 70+.

I do not look down on promiscuity in men or women. I like being a slut with a man who can appreciate it, but I do not label myself one in general as it has little to do with persona, i.e., I don't label myself a red-wine lover though it is the wine I prefer.

I appreciate sluts, the idea of them, but no matter how much substance there may be to labeling an individual woman a slut, it is only always one aspect of who she might be. So why the generalities and double standards? It has more to do with the culture one finds them in. A slut meant something very different to me when I was growing up a good catholic-girl. Now I am not that and am happy to act or be a slut when I choose.

I do find too many men who categorize women as sluts or other 'things'. I don't fuck them. Then there are the very few men who have been able to call forth the slut in me.

Perdita

This is exactly what we as women are all about, and well said by Perdita. The reason I took this pen name, other than the fact that I could use my real initials DS, was to show people that being slutty with your male companion of the moment doesn't mean that you are slutty every waking moment with every other male on the planet as well. In other words I don't have a revolving door. Just because I enjoy sex, doesn't mean that I want to have it right this moment with the next person to knock at my door, or for that matter the next person to enter my life. In truth I have had more fictional lovers than real bed partners simply because I am more open minded than most men about sex in the first place. Which when underlined means that I want to enjoy the moment as much, or more than my bed partner so I am careful as to whom I let into my bedroom. If numbers quantify a woman to be called a slut, then I would fail miserably to measure up, I'm sure. Which brings up the point, how many sexual encounters does it take for a woman to live up to being a slut? And is that number per lifetime, per year, per month, per week, or per day?

DS

PS: This should be everyone's banner:

The world would probably be a better place if men and women had the same attitude toward casual sex.

 

[Singularity]

The Gender of the Author is Unimportant

I write exclusively from the female's point of view (long story why, and I'm not sure I can articulate it well). I was surprised at first, but then more aware as time went on, that most of my readers - or at least those who sent some feedback, were women.

I write pretty graphic, "hardcore" using SnP's definition, too.

While my stories are mostly of the "violent intimacy" genre (and BDSM), the fact that it is intimacy and consensual and respectful of the female characters is part of what makes the difference.

And I totally agree with Dirty Slut's definition of what a slut is

That women are called sluts if they enjoy sex, and men are called studs. The disparity between the two meanings is just plain old fashioned bull shit. Being called a slut should be considered a good thing, both by men, and women. After all, as everybody knows all men are born sluts, so why not praise the women who feel the same way about sex as men do by making slut mean as much as stud in our vocabulary. Of course that would mean changing all of the male oriented dictionaries, now wouldn't it.

Somewhere, in one of my stories, Master Damien, spoke quite eloquently about exactly this subject, though damned if I can find it now....

A slut is someone to be honored and respected for her honesty and her confidence in expressing her sexuality overtly and without shame.

 

[Boxlicker101]

This I can wholeheartedly agree with.

Hi, Bridge Burner.

I'm glad we agreed with something. Actually, we are more in agreement than not. I was reasonably sure that we were referring to the same double standard, but I didn't really know that, so I hedged a bit.

I did not say that men only had sex with prostitutes. I said that the first sexual experience of a boy or oung man was usually a prostitute, and this was considered to be a good thing because he would learn to do "it", and he could teach his bride on their wedding night, but not before. Once the boys became men and left their families, they sometimes did become sexually involved with women, and these were often thought of as loose or fallen or trashy women, or other derogatory terms. The women I refer to were not technically prostitutes but they subsisted partially through sex. There weren't really very many women who would fit that description, though.

I think what caused the very welcome erosion of this double standard was Woeld War 2, especially when women were out on their own more, holding a variety of well-paying jobs. Some of them were married and accustomed to regular sex and when their men were in the armed services, they found replacements. This pretty much shot down the notion that women would not enjoy sex outside of marriage, and when the men returned, women kept most of the new freeedom they had gained. Even though it was no longer considered abnormal for a woman to enjoy sex, in the fifties, most women were deflowered by their husbands or the men who became their husbands.

This changed even more in the sixties and seventies, due to The Pill, legalization of pornography, legalization of abortion and probably a lot of other things. The ony attitudes that changed, however, were those of women. Men have always wanted to fuck anything they could. I'v never heard of a guy saying "I'm saving myself for marriage" or "I'm not that kind of boy", but the equivalent was a standard response by a girl or woman. When I was a teenager, all my contemporaries carried condoms in their wallets. These were almost never put to use, but we liked to delude ourselves that they would be.

As for some of the specific things you said that I said:

The double standard I refer to is that men are held to a higher standard by women than women are held by men. Any woman who wants to have sex has her choice of dozens of men. I didn't say she can have her choice of anybody she wants; I said she has her choice of dozens of men. A man, unless he is a rock star or world-class athlete, does not have such a wide choice outside of marriage. You say this is supply and demand, and you are right. There is a huge supply of men and a huge demand by men, and a small supply of women and a small demand by women. I am referring strictly to casual sex, of course.

There are no absolute rules but to the degree that there are rules, they are made by women because they are in a position to make rules. Women say "Bring me flowers and candy and take me dancing and out to dinner, and establish a relationship with me, and I might agree to have sex with you." Knowing they have no other choice if they want to get laid, men go along with this.

You made no mention of your roommate and his friend being envious of you. As for you saying you were generally less desirable, here is what you said: "of them with an invitation to sex and repulsed by the fact that I was so well "used". Alternately it could have something to do with my physical appearance. Both of them being quite good looking --- certainly better looking than I am"

I said: "The female attitude would more likely be 'I wouldn't fuck anybody that I wouldn't introduce to my mother', which would illustrate the general attitude toward casual sex" I did not say that women would only fuck men they intend to marry. What I mean is that sex would have to be a part of a relationship, the flowers and candy and dancing and dinner I mentioned before. A casual sex partner would not be introduced to parents because there would never be an opportunity because the eople involved would never or seldom see each other again.

I said: "most men don't care how many sex partners the woman has had, as long as she is clean, and by that, I mean bathes regularly", and I mean that for any kind of a relationship. Most men - not all, but most- won't even ask about previous sexual relationships, except to be wary about AIDS or STD. Some men will ask because of a prurient interest but most are not concerned.

I don't know if more men eat women or vice versa, and neither do you, but I do know this: Most men enjoy sex much more if the woman also enjoys it. I also know that men will often cum before the woman does when fucking. To ameliorate this, the man will eat the woman until she cums, then he can cum with a clear conscience.

You probably see more women giving head than men in porn shows but that is because it is more photogenic, and can produce a cum shot. If a man is properly eating a woman, all you see is the back of his head and her legs sticking out under it and there is no clear, visible image of a female climax like there is of a man's. Besides that, porn movies certainly don't reflect society as a whole.

As for the hypothetical tryst you mention in the bathroom, most women would be unwilling to do such a thing unless they were prostitutes or the tryst was part of an ongoing relationship. Men would be willing to go down on a woman but there would be time constraints and space restraints.

The main thing I am saying, and have been saying all along is that men are more interested in casual sex than women are, and much of this is because of the censure of women. Most men are envious of other men who have a lot of sex partners and even envious of the ease with which women have numerous partners, like your roommate and his friend were of you. Many women, on the other hand, are critical of either men or women that they consider to be promiscuous, and sometimes they think it is indicative of some problem. Earlier, you referred to "a roommate who had a revolving door on her bedroom", which is certainly a derogatory expression. You suemised that it was a symptom of low self esteem. If I had a male roommate who was bedding a lot of woman, I would not be distressed by it. I would be envious, and would hope some of it would rub off on me. I would certainly not think it was low self-esteem because a man who has a widely varied sex life has self-esteem in the stratosphere.

I looked up "slut" in the dictionary. It said this was a woman who is dirty and unkempt, in appearance or surroundings. No reference to sex at all. This is an old dictionary but "slut" is hardly a new word.

 

[Dirty Slut]

I looked up "slut" in the dictionary. It said this was a woman who is dirty and unkempt, in appearance or surroundings. No reference to sex at all. This is an old dictionary but "slut" is hardly a new word.

I have a new dictionary, and it says the same damn thing. Which is why I think the meaning should be changed.

DS