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I count my blessings. I have the distinct impression a lot of men at Lit are not like that.
Or are they?
Or are they?
Hardcore porn for women
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MR. Gibson
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ha ha! black tulip you are funny and I love that pic you have near your name. You look like a sexy MRS. santa claus. And hey that's the same name as my winter holiday/anniversary story for 2003! "MRS. Santa Claus"how about that. and hey if you have any new things to show us like in that mens mag please do.it is most interesting. thanks for sharing girl.
MR. gibson' erotic tales!http://www.literotica.com:81/stories/memberpage.php?uid=264926
MR. gibson' erotic tales!http://www.literotica.com:81/stories/memberpage.php?uid=264926
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MR.Gibson, sir?
There's a lot more where that came from. Go to this site:
http://www.erotica-readers.com/ERA/GuidelineFrames.htm
You can find a lot of similar invitations. Makes you realise how nice Lit really is.
There are more opportunities to vent your smut, but there are not many so broadminded.
There's a lot more where that came from. Go to this site:
http://www.erotica-readers.com/ERA/GuidelineFrames.htm
You can find a lot of similar invitations. Makes you realise how nice Lit really is.
There are more opportunities to vent your smut, but there are not many so broadminded.
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thanks for the insightful info again black tulip. you are really on top of everything. thanks!
MR. Gibson' erotic tales!http://www.literotica.com:81/stories/memberpage.php?uid=264926
MR. Gibson' erotic tales!http://www.literotica.com:81/stories/memberpage.php?uid=264926
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Wow, they sure know how to put a damper on the libido, eh? It's like frat boy sex only without the booze and circle jerks.
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OMG
So would that make us women Pig Fuckers by way of association?
DS
Originally posted by MR. Gibson
that's interesting info black tulip. thanks for sharing. some men are such pigs huh?
So would that make us women Pig Fuckers by way of association?
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Yes, but I think you'll find they pay for stories.
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Porn for Men and Women
I think anybody would agree that most porn is aimed at men. That being the case, the women in porn are going to be sexy and attractive because most men are not interested in fantasizing about sex with ugly women. What the men look like is immaterial, as long as they are hung because they are little more than props, like pillows and a mattress, for the women to get off. Men look at a woman bouncing up and down on a guy and they fantasize "That's me and my cock getting that sexy babe off", while they are stroking themselves. Or, the see a big cock going in and out of a beautiful face and they think, "That is me that beautiful girl is sucking off."
Admittedly, there are some women who like to watch porn nmovies that show the degredation of a woman, or rape, but I think most women, even women who like other porn, are turned off by such movies. Personally, the only kind of porn that I like, whether to watch or read or write, portrays men and women who respect one another, and are concerned about both giving and getting pleasure. All of my straight stories are like that.
I think anybody would agree that most porn is aimed at men. That being the case, the women in porn are going to be sexy and attractive because most men are not interested in fantasizing about sex with ugly women. What the men look like is immaterial, as long as they are hung because they are little more than props, like pillows and a mattress, for the women to get off. Men look at a woman bouncing up and down on a guy and they fantasize "That's me and my cock getting that sexy babe off", while they are stroking themselves. Or, the see a big cock going in and out of a beautiful face and they think, "That is me that beautiful girl is sucking off."
Admittedly, there are some women who like to watch porn nmovies that show the degredation of a woman, or rape, but I think most women, even women who like other porn, are turned off by such movies. Personally, the only kind of porn that I like, whether to watch or read or write, portrays men and women who respect one another, and are concerned about both giving and getting pleasure. All of my straight stories are like that.
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Hey DS I meant that in a favorable way to women. men can be such pigs when it comes to porn. Plus I agree with what boxlicker said too!
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ERA and....
I have read most of this thread with acute interest.
A few comments if I may from a UK, perspective. Words change. The first time I came across the "slut" word on here being used as a self description I blinked. I cannot actually remember ever hearing the word in use in the UK. I have read it in books of bygone times being used to describe a slattern often in the same sentence.
I wrote for ERA for a while until the sheer volume of mail from them overcame me and I retreated. It is a more gentle type of porn perhpas but on there umlike on here unless I am not seeing the invites there are posted people looking for works. And sometimes they are willing to pay too. So perhaps slighly gentler material sells?
The brand of material sold to the public by the publiser Black Velvet, is it, is of the same type, if not actually gentler again. But those books move, they sell.
In this world there is obviously a market for "hard porn" for women, and I wonder actually if in the written word hard porn can even be achieved. Then I remember a series of adobe format stories I came across written by a woman now seemingly dead which were to me, at least, hard porn. Topics being incest often combined with animals.
There is though also a very good market for well written, plotted tales of the flesh. So often the plot is missing, there is no conflict, and for me that falls totally flat. But then I like telling stories...
Anyway just a thought or two.
Angus
I have read most of this thread with acute interest.
A few comments if I may from a UK, perspective. Words change. The first time I came across the "slut" word on here being used as a self description I blinked. I cannot actually remember ever hearing the word in use in the UK. I have read it in books of bygone times being used to describe a slattern often in the same sentence.
I wrote for ERA for a while until the sheer volume of mail from them overcame me and I retreated. It is a more gentle type of porn perhpas but on there umlike on here unless I am not seeing the invites there are posted people looking for works. And sometimes they are willing to pay too. So perhaps slighly gentler material sells?
The brand of material sold to the public by the publiser Black Velvet, is it, is of the same type, if not actually gentler again. But those books move, they sell.
In this world there is obviously a market for "hard porn" for women, and I wonder actually if in the written word hard porn can even be achieved. Then I remember a series of adobe format stories I came across written by a woman now seemingly dead which were to me, at least, hard porn. Topics being incest often combined with animals.
There is though also a very good market for well written, plotted tales of the flesh. So often the plot is missing, there is no conflict, and for me that falls totally flat. But then I like telling stories...
Anyway just a thought or two.
Angus
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Black Tulip said:
I really don't understand why you find that objectionable, BT. It's pretty familiar to anyone who's tried to sell a story. There will always be publishing guidelines. Any decent publisher will target the stories towards his or her paying market.
I've seen many publications that accept only female authors. To say there's no market for erotica oriented toward the female persuasion is nonsense. Most erotica readers are women, after all. Here are some more calls for submissions from that same ERA site. It just goes to show, you need to find a market for your own style, and market it there:
***I am seeking female erotica writers who will at least show some imagination and good writing. Naturally, all the stories should be in the first person and, as usual, will avoid the usual commercial erotica no-no's (children, animals, etc...) and should not veer too openly into impossible fantasies of either a Science Fictional or Horror nature. Otherwise, please give free rein to your imagination....
***We accept submissions from female authors only, with no exceptions. We have found that, in this genre, authors tend to write better for their own gender. Besides, the fact that all our authors are guaranteed to be women is a valuable part of our marketing strategy....
*** ... devoted to female fantasies and pleasures of the flesh. Be creative, wild, and uninhibited in your writings. Write what turns you on, not what you think turns other people on. All submissions considered must be sexually explorative fantasies that empower, enlighten, and entertain.
***Wicked Velvet is romantic erotica written for women. We encourage both male and female aspiring novelists to submit their work, or published authors interested in expanding their horizons and talents into areas and themes not normally allowed or encouraged in mainstream romance.
***Ellora's Cave's erotic romance line targets women readers and therefore caters to female sexual fantasies.
One of the publishers that I've sold several stories to, Pink Flamingo, sells hardcore, explicit, BDSM fiction. The company is run by a woman and, in fact, about 70% of their readership is female.
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It's always been my thought...
That if you're going to write a story about sex then write the story about sex for cripes sake. Oh I know, everybody wants to know how it came about but should that take nine pages to do? If so, then why wouldn't the reader just skip to the tenth page like somebody doing a fast forward on their VCR for a porno tape. Whether we like it or not, erotica is thought by the common reader to be nothing more than a fancy word for Porn, which is just another word for SEX. I know that I'm blathering, and piling dung upon certain peoples fundamental ideas about this but I no longer care. Is sex secondary to our stories here at literotica, or just a stimulous in our stories? Everybody wants to know why their stories rate a certain way, yet they fail to use common sense here. This is Literotica, not Reader's Digest. Okay, I've vented, and now back to our regularly scheduled bull shit...
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That if you're going to write a story about sex then write the story about sex for cripes sake. Oh I know, everybody wants to know how it came about but should that take nine pages to do? If so, then why wouldn't the reader just skip to the tenth page like somebody doing a fast forward on their VCR for a porno tape. Whether we like it or not, erotica is thought by the common reader to be nothing more than a fancy word for Porn, which is just another word for SEX. I know that I'm blathering, and piling dung upon certain peoples fundamental ideas about this but I no longer care. Is sex secondary to our stories here at literotica, or just a stimulous in our stories? Everybody wants to know why their stories rate a certain way, yet they fail to use common sense here. This is Literotica, not Reader's Digest. Okay, I've vented, and now back to our regularly scheduled bull shit...
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Hi Dirty Slut,
OK, I edited and proofread Linda Jean's piece {{added: the excerpt above, only}}; it needed that. I took the liberty. I hope it's up to your high standard! Why don't you show what *you consider to be a good example of 'by and for.'
Enjoy!
J.
OK, I edited and proofread Linda Jean's piece {{added: the excerpt above, only}}; it needed that. I took the liberty. I hope it's up to your high standard! Why don't you show what *you consider to be a good example of 'by and for.'
Enjoy!
J.
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Gotta link, Linda?
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Carrie's Caboose, by Maquinna,
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=67502
[They have gotten acquainted on a train, etc. Her hands are tied to an armrest of the seat.]
She lay under the night sky, the soft rumble of the train cradling her body, while Mark licked down her belly and around her navel. His hands began to tug her jeans away from her hips, and she eased her bottom out of the seat to let him remove them, kicking off her sandals at the same time. Her scent rose into the air as Mark tossed her jeans aside, musky and sweet, an invisible cloud of sexual longing filling the entire car. He pushed his face into her panty-clad crotch, inhaling her fragrance. The smell of her fiery pussy sent blood rushing straight into his cock, rendering it even harder than it was. He opened his mouth and sucked at her savagely through the fabric. She moaned loudly, straining against her bonds as she pushed her hips towards his face.
Mark reared back and grabbed the edge of her panties with both hands, and gave a sharp tug. The thin material tore readily. With one more rip, he broke through the elastic and pulled the panties away from Carrie’s wet slit. The sound of the cotton tearing shocked her momentarily, but dizzied her with lust. Her legs spread open instinctively, exposing shaved lips as soft as peach skin, with the promise of sweet treasure inside. A dark scar ran half the length of one of her labia. The imperfection moved Mark, and he lightly ran a finger over it, concern clouding his face.
“It's all right, it's nothing. It doesn't hurt and it won’t get in the way. Touch me, please, please, touch me,” Carrie pleaded.
“Like this, baby?” Mark ran two fingers between her outer lips, brushing just barely against her hooded clit, and spreading her growing wetness from top to bottom.
She cried out. “Yes, oh yes, more…”
“More, like this?” Before she could even prepare, Mark sank two fingers deep into her hot pussy, as far as they could reach. Carrie yelped and thrust her hips in response. He pulled his fingers out, nearly all the way, then shoved them quickly back in again. Over, and over. She gasped at the invasion, and as he curled his fingers to discover her g-spot, she unleashed a puddle of thin, slippery juices that soaked him to the wrist.
“Oh, Carrie,” groaned Mark. “Look what you have done.” He pushed her hips up off the bench and tipped them forward, then pressed his face into her sopping gash. He could feel it throbbing incessantly as he shoved his tongue inside her, licking all her fresh juices. He sucked at the tender flesh of her lips, and the thickened skin of her scar, all unabashedly bare. Carrie purred as her pussy pulsed. Her liquor dripped down over her ass, but Mark wasn’t letting a drop escape. His mouth crept over her, licking her bottom, and then as she felt him spreading her cheeks apart, for the first time in her life she felt a velvety tongue running around her puckered asshole.
“Oh my God,” she whimpered. Mark reached up to palpate her clit while he rimmed her, launching another wave of her juices from her steamy vent. He lapped them up with broad strokes over her pussy, then returned to her rear hole. His tongue darted inside her bottom with quick, light flicks. If Carrie hadn't been bound, she would have fallen off the seat.
Mark leant back and unbuttoned his trousers, quickly tossing them off with his shoes and socks. He pulled his shirt over his head, revealing a broad tanned chest, lightly fleeced. Carrie watched in adoration, knowing this manes body would soon join with hers. His cock stood out proudly, neither extremely long nor unusually thick, but with a finely shaped plum head and a weighty set of balls. He bent the head of his cock down towards Carrie’s heated snatch and rubbed it against her clit, spreading her wetness over the bulbous head. Carrie’s eyes rolled back under her heavy lids. Her knees grasped Mark at his waist, pulling him closer to her.
“Give it to me, give it to me NOW,” she begged.
“Tell me what you want, Carrie. I want to hear you tell me.”
“I want your cock, Mark, I want you to shove your cock deep inside me.” She laboured against her ties, the ache of her position beginning to show in her pale, blue-veined arms.
He grabbed her legs behind her knees, pulling them apart, and positioned his cock at the entrance to her tunnel. The train motion caused it to bob slightly, there, quivering against the delicate inner folds of her wet pussy. Leaning against her legs for leverage, Mark pushed his cock inside her soaked nest, sinking in fully in one stroke. The moist heat from her flowed into his entire body through his cock, while her pussy rippled in pleasure. Mark pistoned in and out of her, speeding up, slowing down, watching her ecstatic face as he brought her ever closer to coming. Beads of perspiration dotted her brow in the moonlight as she fought to reach her goal. He reached down and placed his thumb over top her clit, circling it rhythmically while he pumped madly.
“That’s so good. I love it when you do that…mmm. So, so good,” she cooed. Her pussy was flush and swollen, a translucent stream running in rivulets down her crack.
Mark pulled back, out of her hole, much to Carrie’s protests. Standing, he stretched her body along the seat and lifted her hips up on top of the padded armrest opposite her bound arms. Moving into the aisle, he pushed her legs far forward, knees nearly to her chest, exposing her very white ass cheeks and the tempting rosebud between them. Pussy cream glistened on her bottom and her hole. The sight was everything Mark knew it would be. He placed the head of his cock against the tight aperture of Carrie’s ass and applied a firm yet controlled pressure.
“Mark, God, what are you doing? I've never…”
“I know, darling, I know. You are going to feel so good, I promise you.” His thumb returned to her clit, playing it like a heavy bass string.
“Please, Mark, it hurts, I’m scared,” Carried pleaded with him. Son of a bitch, she thought. This is what I get for letting my pussy do the thinking.
He flicked and plucked at the swollen nub while he forced his cock against her defiant asshole. The motion against her clit was irresistible, though, and Carrie found herself aching towards him, in spite of her fear. As her clit swelled in pleasure, her ass blossomed open and Mark gained his first inch of entry into her virgin passage.
[end excerpt]
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=67502
[They have gotten acquainted on a train, etc. Her hands are tied to an armrest of the seat.]
She lay under the night sky, the soft rumble of the train cradling her body, while Mark licked down her belly and around her navel. His hands began to tug her jeans away from her hips, and she eased her bottom out of the seat to let him remove them, kicking off her sandals at the same time. Her scent rose into the air as Mark tossed her jeans aside, musky and sweet, an invisible cloud of sexual longing filling the entire car. He pushed his face into her panty-clad crotch, inhaling her fragrance. The smell of her fiery pussy sent blood rushing straight into his cock, rendering it even harder than it was. He opened his mouth and sucked at her savagely through the fabric. She moaned loudly, straining against her bonds as she pushed her hips towards his face.
Mark reared back and grabbed the edge of her panties with both hands, and gave a sharp tug. The thin material tore readily. With one more rip, he broke through the elastic and pulled the panties away from Carrie’s wet slit. The sound of the cotton tearing shocked her momentarily, but dizzied her with lust. Her legs spread open instinctively, exposing shaved lips as soft as peach skin, with the promise of sweet treasure inside. A dark scar ran half the length of one of her labia. The imperfection moved Mark, and he lightly ran a finger over it, concern clouding his face.
“It's all right, it's nothing. It doesn't hurt and it won’t get in the way. Touch me, please, please, touch me,” Carrie pleaded.
“Like this, baby?” Mark ran two fingers between her outer lips, brushing just barely against her hooded clit, and spreading her growing wetness from top to bottom.
She cried out. “Yes, oh yes, more…”
“More, like this?” Before she could even prepare, Mark sank two fingers deep into her hot pussy, as far as they could reach. Carrie yelped and thrust her hips in response. He pulled his fingers out, nearly all the way, then shoved them quickly back in again. Over, and over. She gasped at the invasion, and as he curled his fingers to discover her g-spot, she unleashed a puddle of thin, slippery juices that soaked him to the wrist.
“Oh, Carrie,” groaned Mark. “Look what you have done.” He pushed her hips up off the bench and tipped them forward, then pressed his face into her sopping gash. He could feel it throbbing incessantly as he shoved his tongue inside her, licking all her fresh juices. He sucked at the tender flesh of her lips, and the thickened skin of her scar, all unabashedly bare. Carrie purred as her pussy pulsed. Her liquor dripped down over her ass, but Mark wasn’t letting a drop escape. His mouth crept over her, licking her bottom, and then as she felt him spreading her cheeks apart, for the first time in her life she felt a velvety tongue running around her puckered asshole.
“Oh my God,” she whimpered. Mark reached up to palpate her clit while he rimmed her, launching another wave of her juices from her steamy vent. He lapped them up with broad strokes over her pussy, then returned to her rear hole. His tongue darted inside her bottom with quick, light flicks. If Carrie hadn't been bound, she would have fallen off the seat.
Mark leant back and unbuttoned his trousers, quickly tossing them off with his shoes and socks. He pulled his shirt over his head, revealing a broad tanned chest, lightly fleeced. Carrie watched in adoration, knowing this manes body would soon join with hers. His cock stood out proudly, neither extremely long nor unusually thick, but with a finely shaped plum head and a weighty set of balls. He bent the head of his cock down towards Carrie’s heated snatch and rubbed it against her clit, spreading her wetness over the bulbous head. Carrie’s eyes rolled back under her heavy lids. Her knees grasped Mark at his waist, pulling him closer to her.
“Give it to me, give it to me NOW,” she begged.
“Tell me what you want, Carrie. I want to hear you tell me.”
“I want your cock, Mark, I want you to shove your cock deep inside me.” She laboured against her ties, the ache of her position beginning to show in her pale, blue-veined arms.
He grabbed her legs behind her knees, pulling them apart, and positioned his cock at the entrance to her tunnel. The train motion caused it to bob slightly, there, quivering against the delicate inner folds of her wet pussy. Leaning against her legs for leverage, Mark pushed his cock inside her soaked nest, sinking in fully in one stroke. The moist heat from her flowed into his entire body through his cock, while her pussy rippled in pleasure. Mark pistoned in and out of her, speeding up, slowing down, watching her ecstatic face as he brought her ever closer to coming. Beads of perspiration dotted her brow in the moonlight as she fought to reach her goal. He reached down and placed his thumb over top her clit, circling it rhythmically while he pumped madly.
“That’s so good. I love it when you do that…mmm. So, so good,” she cooed. Her pussy was flush and swollen, a translucent stream running in rivulets down her crack.
Mark pulled back, out of her hole, much to Carrie’s protests. Standing, he stretched her body along the seat and lifted her hips up on top of the padded armrest opposite her bound arms. Moving into the aisle, he pushed her legs far forward, knees nearly to her chest, exposing her very white ass cheeks and the tempting rosebud between them. Pussy cream glistened on her bottom and her hole. The sight was everything Mark knew it would be. He placed the head of his cock against the tight aperture of Carrie’s ass and applied a firm yet controlled pressure.
“Mark, God, what are you doing? I've never…”
“I know, darling, I know. You are going to feel so good, I promise you.” His thumb returned to her clit, playing it like a heavy bass string.
“Please, Mark, it hurts, I’m scared,” Carried pleaded with him. Son of a bitch, she thought. This is what I get for letting my pussy do the thinking.
He flicked and plucked at the swollen nub while he forced his cock against her defiant asshole. The motion against her clit was irresistible, though, and Carrie found herself aching towards him, in spite of her fear. As her clit swelled in pleasure, her ass blossomed open and Mark gained his first inch of entry into her virgin passage.
[end excerpt]
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Hi Dirty Slut
I posted the link to Linda's homepage, earlier.
http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=15950
Unfortunately she edits her own stuff, so far. I meant, above, that I've edited and proofread the excerpt posted, only. I consider her very talented, just needing some polish. Have a look above, at the excerpt, and see if you agree.
Maquinna, by contrast, is extremely polished and just as dirty. What do you think?
Best,
J.
I posted the link to Linda's homepage, earlier.
http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=15950
Unfortunately she edits her own stuff, so far. I meant, above, that I've edited and proofread the excerpt posted, only. I consider her very talented, just needing some polish. Have a look above, at the excerpt, and see if you agree.
Maquinna, by contrast, is extremely polished and just as dirty. What do you think?
Best,
J.
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Seattle Zack said:
Zack,
I think we have a misunderstanding here. The parts you left out of my quote, were just the ones that in my opinion connected with the subject of the thread:
hardcore porn for women
I also stated how lucky we are that Lit is reasonably broadminded, because in the same post there was this:
You can see a few items there that Lit has no problem with, for instance male/male sex. Makes me wonder if female/female would be ok.
I had no intention of implying something about female writers not wanted. As I just started writing I have absolutely no idea. Besides I would think that to be a little too farfetched.
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I like it, I like it!
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Well, I understand that Lit is broadminded (after all, they don't pay for contributions) but my point was that there is a market for anything you write, as long as you have talent. This hand-wringing about "oh, there's no place for women's fantasies in the hardcore porn market" is silly.
I don't read scarlet's pablum anymore, so I have no idea what s/h/it's yammering about, but, as I recall, the original posit presented at the beginning of this thread was that there's no hardcore women's "niche" (written by women, no less, which perhaps exposes the misandrist thrust of the thread in the first place) in the porn cornucopia. On the contrary, there is.
I don't read scarlet's pablum anymore, so I have no idea what s/h/it's yammering about, but, as I recall, the original posit presented at the beginning of this thread was that there's no hardcore women's "niche" (written by women, no less, which perhaps exposes the misandrist thrust of the thread in the first place) in the porn cornucopia. On the contrary, there is.
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Black Tulip said:
Yes, I checked out writer's market, and the few sex markets listed all pretty much say, "with a male audience in mind" or something similer. Playgirl is also listed (somewhere- I've seen it in the past) and they state what they are looking for and it is not the hardcore nasty dirty stuff.
What's so wrong with saying I would like a *market aimed at women who enjoy pure porn *? Suddenly everybody gets up and says, "why just for women????" as if somehow men are going to be left out of the porn industry
or either insist that 1. there is no difference or that 2. women like erotica and not porn That is my whole point. Women *are* different, pollitical correctness be damned. More porn *is* designed for men and women *do* like the porn designed for men, but we just want it aimed at us (ha ha no pun intended!) Women are the "invisible porn audience" and I think we should stop being invisible
Now as for pictures and movies- what women would probably llike more- above all else-- that pretty much every women would agree to-- is *at least* passibly decent looking men. We don't all want more story, we don't all want less story, we don't all even want less cheesy dialog (some of us enjoy being able to pretend that we are just watching so we can laugh at how silly it is) But we all want to see that hot chick with a guy that doesnt gross us out!!!!!!!! We shouldn't have to rent gay porn to see good looking guys. Hell, I'd settle for clean cut "average joe" in otherwords not the ugly hairy goofy looking dudes we usually see. Everything else can stay just as good or bad and just as stupid as it is, I don't even mind
As for written porn- you just can't explain it. But I do think that somebody was write when they said a lot of porn is written by men who don't understand and maybe even fear women. Now here's one that everyone is going to hate me for, but how about some porn by women who don't understand and maybe fear or dislike men? (hey what's good for the goose is good for the gander) after all, that is something that many women can relate to. And that's the point. There's not a damn thing wrong with the porn made for men, but just not pretend that it's *not* made for men!
Porn for women is NOT about being politically correct! It
s not about romance and not about ravishment fantasies and its certainly not about what men *think* we fantisize about. It's not about being against porn for men in any way. It's simply about filling a market nitch that has plenty of room to be filled. It's about what we hide under our mattress that we don't even tell our best friend about. Its about what we whisper about when the men are not around.
Dirty Slut, I like your web name, and in fact- I think it would make a great name for a girls porn mag. DirtySlutTales- hide it under your mattress! Your mother would be ashamed!!!
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MR. Gibson said:that's interesting info black tulip. thanks for sharing. some men are such pigs huh?
The pont is not that they are pigs- the point is that so many people have tried to say on this thread that porn is not written and marketed primarily for men. She showed that that *is* what publishers are asking for, and that is what they are publishing.
Of course if they where calling for porn 'aimed primarily at women' we could safely assume that it would be a magazine of romance or ravishment or erotica or Jackie Collins type stuff -not that there is anything wrong with that. But I think we are trying to point out that the perseption that 'women's porn' is all lovey duvy is quite incorrect.
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Sweetnpetite just said:
What's so wrong with saying I would like a *market aimed at women who enjoy pure porn *? Suddenly everybody gets up and says, "why just for women????" as if somehow men are going to be left out of the porn industry or either insist that 1. there is no difference or that 2. women like erotica and not porn
I, in fact, was one of those who got up and questioned the idea. Porn aimed at women is not a problem but why just BY women? I have always aimed my smutty stories at women and I have gotten some feedback telling me I was doing a good job, but never any really expert opinion, and I would like to know just how good or bad my aim has been.
http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=207952MySmut
What's so wrong with saying I would like a *market aimed at women who enjoy pure porn *? Suddenly everybody gets up and says, "why just for women????" as if somehow men are going to be left out of the porn industry or either insist that 1. there is no difference or that 2. women like erotica and not porn
I, in fact, was one of those who got up and questioned the idea. Porn aimed at women is not a problem but why just BY women? I have always aimed my smutty stories at women and I have gotten some feedback telling me I was doing a good job, but never any really expert opinion, and I would like to know just how good or bad my aim has been.
http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=207952MySmut
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You misunderstood the original post (by me).
the point of the post is that their *is* most certainly a 'nitche' but there are few markets at this time that are filling it- and there are certainly room for more.
And I am not talking about 'erotica' or anything trying to be erotica. I am talking about P-O-R-N. Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman! The point was- a lot of 'porn for women' is not as nasty as the porn for men and *that* is were there is a huge opening for somebody -hopefully many somebodies- to fill.
My point was that the 'porn for women' that is available, is not what I am looking for. And many women here have agreed with me. That is not misandrist. Nothing bad was said against men or porn for men- simply that their is a desire for 'porn for women' that doesn't look like most current 'porn for women' looks like. And it's not what a lot of the male posters have ventured to guess that 'porn for women' would be like.
the point of the post is that their *is* most certainly a 'nitche' but there are few markets at this time that are filling it- and there are certainly room for more.
And I am not talking about 'erotica' or anything trying to be erotica. I am talking about P-O-R-N. Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman! The point was- a lot of 'porn for women' is not as nasty as the porn for men and *that* is were there is a huge opening for somebody -hopefully many somebodies- to fill.
My point was that the 'porn for women' that is available, is not what I am looking for. And many women here have agreed with me. That is not misandrist. Nothing bad was said against men or porn for men- simply that their is a desire for 'porn for women' that doesn't look like most current 'porn for women' looks like. And it's not what a lot of the male posters have ventured to guess that 'porn for women' would be like.
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sweetnpetite
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Boxlicker101 said:
Why just BY women?
1. Because men can only guess what we like. And they so often guess wrong.
2. Because it's *her* fantasy! I write a story about what makes me hot. A woman reads it knowing that it's another woman's dirty fantasy, that she is not alone
Say it's a rape fantasy- she knows it wasn't written by some guy who doens't know the difference between fantasy and reality. She can relax and enjoy the story. She's sharing a secret with an anonomous girlfriend. It's "Slutty Girl's Anonymous" Tell me your dirtiest fantasies and I won't judge you and you won't judge me for getting off on it. It's not just about ability- it's also phycological.
I'm not saying that it should be that way for all 'gyno-porn', just for this one particular publication which I am dreaming up in my mind. That's the way the publishing world works- some magazines only publish writing by people who live in a particular state. It doenst' mean that they think that poeple in other states *can't* write- it's just what they are looking for for their particular publication.
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Let's say we've decided to start this mythical porn for dirty girls magazine. What shall we call it?
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=214649
(a thread to brainstorm for a name)
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=214649
(a thread to brainstorm for a name)
