Have you noticed BDSM in the mainstream?

[Etoile]

the contract is here

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/07/11/images/contract3.pdf

What a terrible font!

 

[Homburg]

I've always thought the notion that it's harder to be a post-feminist MDom --soooo much harder is a lot of horse poo because you can STILL couch your D/s more easily in the expected dynamics of marriage. Much much more easily. There are other parts that set off people's alarms more though, like the ramifications for being caught hitting your spouse if they like it - they are more severe and more problematic as a rule. It's a trade off, nobody's got an easy time.

Yup, it's horse poo. It's still perfectly easy. You just have to either couch your phrases properly, or just expect to get weird reactions. Whatever. the downside comes from the core stereotype of the lifestyle being abusive, and everyone's abuse-meters being set to super-fucking-over-sensitive.

I've mentioned before that I had the joy of being 'outed' to my parents by the wife of a friend, right? Well, it wasn't over BDSM, it was over poly stuff. Yeah, poly, yet she still did the 'outing' because she'd decided that I was abusing my wife. Said wife even told this woman that everything was fine, she was aware, etc. Didn't matter. It was abuse. Go figure.

 

[Homburg]

Then again, I've gotten into arguments over "secretary" for example, because I think a perfectly healthy balanced normal happy person makes for a story that ends before it begins and a lot of people have objections to her being portrayed as messed up and the film not delving accurately into her life as a cutter, etc. I'm rather pleased that it's fairly free from idiotic cliches, neither character is especially idealized, and it's visually interesting.

"Secretary" worked specifically because they were both flawed. Made for a more plausible portrayal.

 

[unfoundiamond]

Oh My God

Net, JBJ and whoever else...

I am not always a commenter, I watched the conversation between you two and had no intention of jumping in, UNTILL I realized from the web adress the "sptimes" is my local paper, you guys are talking about the guy in my area, THAT SHIT was ALL OVER the NEWS.

And the story they told on the news was apparantly the guy was filming shit on his back portch (sex acts with the girl and sometimes multiple men) and families in the area asked him to stop, because they have children outside playing in a normal residential neighborhood.
The families say the guy told them to basically fuck off(I will keep filming with no cover over the back porch) and continued the loud blatant sex on the back portch... They alluded to the girl being unstable, but I saw the neighbors in a interview and they seemed like credible people,

The guy appeared to be a cocky jerk... and the reason he was charged like he was, was because he was carrying on outside like a idiot and actually got busted... his own fault...

This guy could have taken his sexual behavior inside and this wouldn't have happened, they wherent seeking him out because he was a PYL,

He was subjecting children and his neighbors to his sex life... even if they where regular old Mr & Mrs V. Nilla and he was having her carry out group sex on the back portch for him to video for money, its still the fact that his neighbors tried to ask him to stop subjecting the neighborhood to his kink and take it inside and he wouldn't, that caused the cops to have to come and bust him for the fact he was dealing in prostitution...

I can't read the article, but I saw the news stories on it for days... and they didn't really say he was a PYL in the news BTW, that's why I didn't know you guys where talking about him intill it finally clicked... and its in Pasco county.... local to me...

**ps~ I remember seeing the back porch being shown on the news, and he could have put up big black out curtains and you wouldn't have been able to see shit, but he was just a ass... is how it looked to me,

Anyone with kids in a gated community type place knows you don't have sex loud where there's kids playing, PYL or donkey sex addict, you don't corrupt children like that, it doesn't kill anyone to go inside for sex, if anything, its better (makes sence tho if it was prostitution, that's why he did have her "working" inside, he didn't want to have strange cum on his sheets, lol)

 

[Netzach]

Net, JBJ and whoever else...

I am not always a commenter, I watched the conversation between you two and had no intention of jumping in, UNTILL I realized from the web adress the "sptimes" is my local paper, you guys are talking about the guy in my area, THAT SHIT was ALL OVER the NEWS.

And the story they told on the news was apparantly the guy was filming shit on his back portch (sex acts with the girl and sometimes multiple men) and families in the area asked him to stop, because they have children outside playing in a normal residential neighborhood.
The families say the guy told them to basically "fuck off" and continued the loud blatant sex on the back portch... They alluded to the girl being unstable, but I saw the neighbors in a interview and they seemed like credible people,

The guy appeared to be a cocky jerk... and the reason he was charged like he was, was because he was carrying on outside like a idiot and actually got busted... his own fault...

This guy could have taken his sexual behavior inside and this wouldn't have happened, they wherent seeking him out because he was a PYL,

He was subjecting children and his neighbors to his sex life... even if they where regular old Mr & Mrs V. Nilla and he was having her carry out group sex on the back portch for him to video for money, its still the fact that his neighbors tried to ask him to stop subjecting the neighborhood to his kink and take it inside and he wouldn't, that caused the cops to have to come and bust him for the fact he was dealing in prostitution...

I can't read the article, but I saw the news stories on it for days... and they didn't really say he was a PYL in the news BTW, that's why I didn't know you guys where talking about him intill it finally clicked... and its in Pasco county.... local to me...

Normally when someone's "busted" there's so much more to the story. I remember gritting my teeth listening to a supposedly reputable Prodomme and her endless sob story. of being busted

I have access to some information I'm not able to say I have access to that basically, in a round about way, I discovered this person has repeatedly been busted for fraud, and a million things other than prodomination. Can't really say anything, because I don't know, other than "check the facts BEFORE you shell out for ANYONE's legal defense fund."

 

[unfoundiamond]

right...

I agree, there are people everywhere that do illegal things and deny them, just because someones a PYL, doesn't make them innocent...

I just wanted to give a local perspective, and who knows, the news could be totally full of shit, I just wanted to say that maybe his own actions caused him to be arrested by the fuzz, not that he was a PYL....

 

[FurryFury]

Net, JBJ and whoever else...

I am not always a commenter, I watched the conversation between you two and had no intention of jumping in, UNTILL I realized from the web adress the "sptimes" is my local paper, you guys are talking about the guy in my area, THAT SHIT was ALL OVER the NEWS.

And the story they told on the news was apparantly the guy was filming shit on his back portch (sex acts with the girl and sometimes multiple men) and families in the area asked him to stop, because they have children outside playing in a normal residential neighborhood.
The families say the guy told them to basically "fuck off" and continued the loud blatant sex on the back portch... They alluded to the girl being unstable, but I saw the neighbors in a interview and they seemed like credible people,

The guy appeared to be a cocky jerk... and the reason he was charged like he was, was because he was carrying on outside like a idiot and actually got busted... his own fault...

This guy could have taken his sexual behavior inside and this wouldn't have happened, they wherent seeking him out because he was a PYL,

He was subjecting children and his neighbors to his sex life... even if they where regular old Mr & Mrs V. Nilla and he was having her carry out group sex on the back portch for him to video for money, its still the fact that his neighbors tried to ask him to stop subjecting the neighborhood to his kink and take it inside and he wouldn't, that caused the cops to have to come and bust him for the fact he was dealing in prostitution...

I can't read the article, but I saw the news stories on it for days... and they didn't really say he was a PYL in the news BTW, that's why I didn't know you guys where talking about him intill it finally clicked... and its in Pasco county.... local to me...

I'm so glad to know part of the story behind the story!

Thanks!

 

[unfoundiamond]

I just say what I see...

I just share if I know something... but You're Welcome FurryFury, anytime...

;p

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

FF

Hi neighbor!

I think God hates you.

 

[FurryFury]

FF

Hi neighbor!

I think God hates you.

He noticed me and exists.

Who knew?

And I hate him right back.

Oh, wait, that's YOU!

 

[unfoundiamond]

wow

Wow, so FF and jbj both are my neighbors... wow....

Wow, that's all I can say

*ps~ FurryFury don't take spiritual hearsay from jbj... even if you're a atheist type... I just have to stress hatred is like a disease... save your energy...

 

[EmpressFi]

I witnessed an example of BDSM in the mainstream today.. well ok.. I've seen it twice now.. Our local morning DJ's, Preston and Steve, have a Happy Spanksgiving Day parade on the day before Thanksgiving. They say they came up with a theory that puritans must have been into BDSM because of all the buckles they wore on their clothing..so in honor of them.. they have a Spanksgiving day.. now ... of course they are teasing..and it's really just a promo thing..BUT.. when they do it..they have a few of the Domme's from a local BDSM store here called Passionale come in for the parade and bring their toys.. they also come on the air and talk about BDSM, about the seminars they offer and try and educate people about the misconceptions and stereotypes.

So... in honor of Preston and Steve..

HAPPY SPANKSGIVING DAY!!!

 

[FurryFury]

Wow, so FF and jbj both are my neighbors... wow....

Wow, that's all I can say

*ps~ FurryFury don't take spiritual hearsay from jbj... even if you're a atheist type... I just have to stress hatred is like a disease... save your energy...

*hug*

*chuckles*

Hated can be quite healthy, in my opinion, but I was kidding in any case.

I don't hate God because I don't truly know if s/he exists. If s/he does, I AM mighty damn pissed and have quite a few questions! Since God is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful, I feel secure that should that entity exist and care about FF, s/he will let me know in it's own way.

 

[unfoundiamond]

Happy Thanksgiving

I am thankful for having a outlet.
Even tho I was watching History channel and I heard thanksgiving is based on a questionable premise... but I am thankful for many things, one of which being you...

*muah* to you all

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

FF

No one with any self respect lives in Pasco County. I always lie and tell people I'm a homeless bum when they wanna know where I'm from.

 

[Blushing Bottom]

My dear JJ perhaps it would behoove you to remember that conventional wisdom or "common sense" is nothing more than herd behavior. And as for you and your "nice, liberal newspaper" well it has far better uses than reading material...i.e. puppy pan liner?

Happy Thanksgiving

Oh and I give thanks today because I'm not a bigot.

Just saying

BLUSHING

Dont get so comfortable with the lifestyle that you forget how most people are. The conventional wisdom defines BDSM as weird. My nice, liberal newspaper had a carnival with a couple they learned were master-slave.

The cops busted them for prostitution (she was making money for her master), and they let it slip that the prostitution was okay because she's his slave. They were a bit too unplugged from the conventional wisdom.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BLUSHING BOTTOM

Ah! But the herd controls the world. It takes damned little excitement to spook them enough to create a stampede. Facts and analysis give the herd headaches. Promises is what they like.

As for the newspaper: I wrote them recently, asserting that their paper has all the appeal of a leper's kiss, combined with the entertainment value of a gelded editorial in a school newspaper.

 

[unfoundiamond]

lol

When I said neighbor, I ment in the same area... I live in another county... thank god.

And on that topic, FurryFury,
See there must be a god, S/He put jbj in another county... pasco county, away from me... That's proof right there... LOL, jk *wink*

;p

 

[FurryFury]

When I said neighbor, I ment in the same area... I live in another county... thank god.

And on that topic, FurryFury,
See there must be a god, S/He put jbj in another county... pasco county, away from me... That's proof right there... LOL, jk *wink*

;p

LMAO!

Good one!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I think I need to toilet paper both of you.

 

[Etoile]

FF

Hi neighbor!

I think God hates you.

Thank god I'm an atheist.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Etoile

I'm an atheist, too.

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if fuzzy face lives next door. Thats proof there's a God.

 

[Etoile]

Etoile

I'm an atheist, too.

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if fuzzy face lives next door. Thats proof there's a God.

*high-fives*

 

[unfoundiamond]

see

See,
look how focusing on your similarities brings people together,

LOL,

Nothing like two atheists talking about God on a BDSM forum... you guys can have church anywhere huh?

 

[unfoundiamond]

So...

I don't know if Female Lead Relationships are considered to be a Domination thing, but I would tend to assume it is...

Well tonight on "I Love New York", She took the boys to the therapist and explained to them she wanted a "wife"**

**(Incorrect terminology, I know, but~you have to consider the audience, and the men she was talking to, they had to understand her and they are, well, big dumb jerks... pretty much)

But, yes, She explained she needed to have control, and he had to give her control... all very relevant to female lead relationships. One of the men loved it, He smiled so big when he called himself "her bitch", it made me smile to see his face get all red and he smiled and began to sweat, it was priceless...

I was shocked to see this, and wanted to see if anyone else saw it...

Or anything else...