Hey, gun nuts!

[Byron In Exile]

Really? What if your dad dies, your mom doesn't want them, and you end up with a couple of guns by default. That's what happened to me. Would I be a criminal in California?

It makes more sense when you understand what they're trying to do, which is make gun registration mandatory.

This is fairly new (as of 2001). They're building a database of who owns what firearm. Obviously, private sales/transfers are a loophole, since the database would then contain inaccurate information, so they closed it by making them illegal. Now, the only way to purchase or change ownership of a firearm is through a dealer, who sends the information electronically to the CA-DOJ, and into the database it goes.

They don't require guns sold prior to 2001 to be registered (yet), but I'm sure that's in the works.

If you lived here, and those guns were purchased before 2001, you would not be a criminal, because the transfer happened before the law was passed.

 

[sigh]

It makes more sense when you understand what they're trying to do, which is make gun registration mandatory.

This is fairly new (as of 2001). They're building a database of who owns what firearm. Obviously, private sales/transfers are a loophole, since the database would then contain inaccurate information, so they closed it by making them illegal. Now, the only way to purchase or change ownership of a firearm is through a dealer, who sends the information electronically to the CA-DOJ, and into the database it goes.

They don't require guns sold prior to 2001 to be registered (yet), but I'm sure that's in the works.

If you lived here, and those guns were purchased before 2001, you would not be a criminal, because the transfer happened before the law was passed.

That would be a relief if I lived there. Now it just satisfies my curiosity.

Thanks

 

[sigh]

I have a Sears .22 semi-auto rifle that was the first gun I ever hunted with. The tube feed mag will hold 15 long rifle .22 rounds. More longs, or shorts in high speed only.

Mine has a small magazine that sticks out underneath. I've been looking around trying to find a picture of something that looks like it but no luck yet. If I had the gun I'd just go look at it, but my cousin has it right now (wonder if it's legal to loan a gun...eesh, maybe I shouldn't have posted that earlier).

 

[thør]

Mine has a small magazine that sticks out underneath. I've been looking around trying to find a picture of something that looks like it but no luck yet. If I had the gun I'd just go look at it, but my cousin has it right now (wonder if it's legal to loan a gun...eesh, maybe I shouldn't have posted that earlier).

It's legal to loan.

My old J.C. Higgins model 31 might be classified as an assault weapon as the mag can hold 25 high v shorts!

 

[sigh]

Every one I find online that looks anything like mine is a Marlin, like this:

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/8301012044/9351952/100_1911.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg

Don't know if mine's a Marlin it or not. Just resembles them. Mine has a shoulder strap too.

 

[thør]

Every one I find online that looks anything like mine is a Marlin, like this:

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/8301012044/9351952/100_1911.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg

Don't know if mine's a Marlin it or not. Just resembles them. Mine has a shoulder strap too.

That's a sling.

 

[sigh]

That's a sling.

heh

gun lingo queen I'm not

 

[thør]

heh

gun lingo queen I'm not

It's okay, people learn. Slings are used to carry the rifle and also used stabilizing the rifle in shooting position.

 

[WeedSmoke420]

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[Byron In Exile]

Looks like I'd be in a gray area, though. It's legal to inherit a gun (through a legal process like the execution of a will) but since my mom survived everything became hers and she just gave them to me.

Oh, that in itself would be legal, and long as your mom took it to a dealer so the transfer could be recorded. But then, she couldn't just turn around and "give" it to you directly. The transfer would have to be processed by a dealer.

California law says it's okay to transfer between spouses but doesn't mention children. This might be the most relevant part:

The infrequent sale, lease, or transfer of firearms between individuals - meaning five or fewer sales per year of any number of handguns or irregular and occasional sales of other firearms is allowed. However, such sales/transfers must be completed through a dealer licensed pursuant to Penal Code section 12071.

What that's saying is that you aren't required to obtain a dealer's license as long as you aren't operating a business.

Transfers can be made between any two people, provided the recipient isn't a convicted felon, has never been involuntarily confined to a mental institution, and whatever else they put on that laundry list.

There was certainly no licensed dealer involved so I'd probably be toast in the surfer state.

Not really. As I said earlier, you can't be prosecuted for what happened before the law went into effect.

And, since there's no paperwork on them, you can say whatever you want about how you acquired them. You could say your dad gave them to you sometime in the 1980's, for example. It's doubtful you'll have to explain anything to anyone, though, since the State doesn't know they exist.

 

[sigh]

It's okay, people learn. Slings are used to carry the rifle and also used stabilizing the rifle in shooting position.

My dad tried to teach me that stabilizing thing and it looked good when he did it, but I was too little, I think, to pull it off. Kept getting it twisted around my arm the wrong way. He finally took it off and I could shoot pretty good without it. Somewhere along the line it got put back on because it's on there now.

I forgot about that. Maybe I should try it again now.

 

[Byron In Exile]

That would be a relief if I lived there. Now it just satisfies my curiosity.

Thanks

yw!

Also, if you did move here you could bring your guns.

But you would have to register them within 30 days.

 

[thør]

My dad tried to teach me that stabilizing thing and it looked good when he did it, but I was too little, I think, to pull it off. Kept getting it twisted around my arm the wrong way. He finally took it off and I could shoot pretty good without it. Somewhere along the line it got put back on because it's on there now.

I forgot about that. Maybe I should try it again now.

Some smallbore prone shooting would be fun.

 

[sigh]

Oh, that in itself would be legal, and long as your mom took it to a dealer so the transfer could be recorded. But then, she couldn't just turn around and "give" it to you directly. The transfer would have to be processed by a dealer.

What that's saying is that you aren't required to obtain a dealer's license as long as you aren't operating a business.

Transfers can be made between any two people, provided the recipient isn't a convicted felon, has never been involuntarily confined to a mental institution, and whatever else they put on that laundry list.

Not really. As I said earlier, you can't be prosecuted for what happened before the law went into effect.

And, since there's no paperwork on them, you can say whatever you want about how you acquired them. You could say your dad gave them to you sometime in the 1980's, for example. It's doubtful you'll have to explain anything to anyone, though, since the State doesn't know they exist.

I spent a couple nights in an inpatient psych unit once. Never had an inkling to run out and blast a bunch of kids though.

I'm not planning on a move to California so this was all an exercise in curiosity. Registering guns isn't required here. Just gun owners.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I spent a couple nights in an inpatient psych unit once. Never had an inkling to run out and blast a bunch of kids though.

Voluntarily, or involuntarily?

I'm not planning on a move to California so this was all an exercise in curiosity. Registering guns isn't required here. Just gun owners.

For now.

Give it time.

California is a "progressive" State, meaning that they're always ahead of the curve in ways to fool people into giving up their rights and liberties for a false sense that they'll be "safer" somehow. California banned "assault weapons" in 1990, four years before the Federal government did. The other States will fall in line — they always do.

Even as I type, several States are working up their own "assault weapons" bans.

 

[Byron In Exile]

And in October 2001, Gov Moonbeam quietly signed a law adding long guns as weapons that must be registered.

Prior to that it was handguns only.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I am working on the purchase of an Iranian drone which uses North Korean missile technology...





... like our government, I'll be using an al Qaeda broker to make a deal with the Mexican cartels...

 

[sigh]

Voluntarily, or involuntarily?

For now.

Give it time.

California is a "progressive" State, meaning that they're always ahead of the curve in ways to fool people into giving up their rights and liberties for a false sense that they'll be "safer" somehow. California banned "assault weapons" in 1990, four years before the Federal government did. The other States will fall in line — they always do.

Even as I type, several States are working up their own "assault weapons" bans.

Voluntary. Had a thread in here about it a decade or so ago. So I guess California would give me a pass on that one.

And yes, you're probably right about other states following suit, but then if I never tell them, they'll never know. Of course if I use one to protect myself someday, then I'd likely get busted, wouldn't I? Hard to explain the circle of buckshot in the guy's chest without the shotgun. BB machine gun?

 

[Peregrinator]

Savage 42, yes or no? If yes, .22 or .22 mag? Why?

 

[Weird Harold]

Savage 42, yes or no? If yes, .22 or .22 mag? Why?

Depends on what you want it for.

Chances are you're going to wind up using it for a single shot plinker, so the .410 shotgun barrel is just for show. If you are looking for a survival gun or camp gun, the .22 LR version is probably adequate for filling the stewpot. the .22WMR version would be nice, but you're more likely to have a brick of .22LR handy than you are to remember to buy a box of WMR.

 

[Peregrinator]

Depends on what you want it for.

Chances are you're going to wind up using it for a single shot plinker, so the .410 shotgun barrel is just for show. If you are looking for a survival gun or camp gun, the .22 LR version is probably adequate for filling the stewpot. the .22WMR version would be nice, but you're more likely to have a brick of .22LR handy than you are to remember to buy a box of WMR.

Thanks, Harold. I'm thinking it`s going to be useful for filling the pot and a light carry for doing various survival exercises. I guess the real question is whether there's anything 22lr will do that 22 mag won't, ie is it so much more powerful that it`s too much for, say, squirrels or bunnies or whatever?

 

[Weird Harold]

...I guess the real question is whether there's anything 22lr will do that 22 mag won't, ie is it so much more powerful that it`s too much for, say, squirrels or bunnies or whatever?

Check out http://www.ruger1022.com/docs/22lrballistics.htm

Just a quick check, shows WMR is roughly twice as powerful (in foot/lbs of energy) as .22LR. I'd say it probably would really only make a difference for squirrel; bunnies and bigger would be fine. The WMR would be better for larger camp-meat, or varmints, or for longer ranges.

The .410 would work better for squirrels anyway.


The WMR is a good cartridge, but I would stick with the .22LR unless you've already got a .22LR that is going to be around and want something with more reach and power. .410 Slugs will provide as much more power as the WMR -- and maybe the range, too. I just don't think the WMR gives enough extra to be worth it.

 

[thør]

Check out http://www.ruger1022.com/docs/22lrballistics.htm

Just a quick check, shows WMR is roughly twice as powerful (in foot/lbs of energy) as .22LR. I'd say it probably would really only make a difference for squirrel; bunnies and bigger would be fine. The WMR would be better for larger camp-meat, or varmints, or for longer ranges.

The .410 would work better for squirrels anyway.


The WMR is a good cartridge, but I would stick with the .22LR unless you've already got a .22LR that is going to be around and want something with more reach and power. .410 Slugs will provide as much more power as the WMR -- and maybe the range, too. I just don't think the WMR gives enough extra to be worth it.

A good shot with the .22LR will put plenty of small game and birds in the stewpot.

 

[Weird Harold]

A good shot with the .22LR will put plenty of small game and birds in the stewpot.

Have to be a fair shot with the WMR, too. 40gr bullets need to be precisely placed even for stew-meat.

 

[Ishmael]

At least it's nice to see they've resurrected the old Model 24 design. For one I'd like to see a .22LR or WMR over .45 long Colt. ala The Judge. You can always drop a .410 into the .45 chamber for birds, etc. while having a credible high power option for the lower barrel.

Ishmael