Impeachment not going so well?

[gunthernehmen]

That is completely irrelevant to whether or not he's a bigot.

How so?

 

[YDB95]

How so?

You don't see why his being president has nothing to do with whether or not he's a bigot? I don't know how to make that any clearer than it already is.

 

[gunthernehmen]

You don't see why his being president has nothing to do with whether or not he's a bigot? I don't know how to make that any clearer than it already is.

He is president almost entirely because of who the Democrat Party ran on their side.

So look in the mirror.

YOU elected Trump to be your president.

 

[1Diver2]

Not according to the Cambridge English Dictionary:

Bigot: a person who has strong, unreasonable ideas, esp. about race or religion, and who thinks anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong

So unless you're saying everyone has unreasonable ideas about race or religion (or sexuality), no, not everyone is a bigot. Certainly not to the degree Mr. "A big beautiful wall and I will make Mexico pay for that wall" is.

Building a wall has nothing to do with bigotry and everything to do with securing our border and making our country safe.
You may or may not agree with the usefulness of that strategy but using the term bigot only shows you've been successfully brainwashed by your media puppeteers.

 

[phrodeau]

He is president almost entirely because of who the Democrat Party ran on their side.

So look in the mirror.

YOU elected Trump to be your president.

No, the Electoral College did.

You’ve heard of that, right? It represents the will of some people.

 

[gunthernehmen]

No, the Electoral College did.

And thank God for that! Look into why it exists, sometime.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "The thing is, when we offer tolerance to stupid ideas, the next batch of ideas are more stupid."

That's the motto of Antifa, phrodeau - they want to SILENCE people from offering "stupid ideas" that don't confirm to their progressive-left agenda, labelling such things as "offensive!' It's the very definition of the FASCISM adopted by the modern-left!

JackLuis writes: "If we had a Congress that would have gone after Dubya and Darth for their criminal behaviour or had an AG that would have pursed them after Obama was elected, it might have made a difference... Thanks Obama!"

I know exactly what you're saying, Jack - Barack Obama did more damage to Democratic Party legislative power than ANY president in our nation's history! But you can't blame Obama for the Republicans increasing their power in the U.S. Senate with the 2018 mid-terms! THAT stupidity belongs to the senate Dems hitching their credibility to Dr. Christine Blasey-Ford in the summer of '18, in their failed effort to destroy Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation to the U.S. Supreme Court!

1Diver2 writes: "Building a wall has nothing to do with bigotry and everything to do with securing our border and making our country safe."

Today's Democratic Party NEEDS illegals flooding into America (and voting for Democrats), which is why they're so opposed to construction of the border wall! They NEED more people in this country dependent on federal government hand-outs, what with their party beginning to lose its hold on union-blue-collar & black voters! It ALSO explains why the Democrats wholeheartedly OPPOSE voter photo-ID laws!

phrodeau writes: " No, the Electoral College did. You’ve heard of that, right? It represents the will of some people."

The modern Democratic Party is increasingly unhappy with our U.S. Constitution, phrodeau - they deeply dislike the 1st & 2nd amendments, they HATE the Electoral College, and now they're furious that impeachment HAS to go through the U.S. Senate! The Dems wish that "mob rule" meant something in America today!

 

[Cubantripod]

I don't think that's quite fair. The left has been pushing for decades for a return to progressive taxation, a strong safety net, living wages, etc., and the very people who are hurt most by what you describe are also the ones who have been the most insistent in voting against all that. Why? Partly because the right wing shit machine has done a fantastic job of painting it all "socialist" - but also partly due to good old fashioned bigotry. Say what you will about the Republicans, they have done a fantastic job of connecting with the common man and woman, and marketing themselves as the exact opposite of what they really are. What's the secret ingredient? The most obvious candidate is indeed racism. Whether that's intellectually lazy or not, I don't see a better answer.

Because you're telling these people the exact opposite of what they want to hear. Middle America doesn't want higher taxes. First let me address that fallacy of higher taxes of the 50's. Yes we had higher tax rates that reached 90%, but these were the marginal rates. We had so many tax brackets with so many exemptions that no one paid no more than about 35% which is no different that we have today. I am not 100% certain but this last tax cut might have lowered it under 30%. Having said that, total tax receipts for the last 60 years have been a steady 18-20% of GDP. The promise of America is still that I can work hard and be in that tax bracket one day. That's why we don't want to raise taxes, no just on us, but anyone else.

Middle America doesn't want a safety net. The only safety net they want is their family. I know it's a bit anecdotal, but I will turn 42 in two weeks. I am entering my last semester of law school. When I started, administration told people like me, that we needed a strong support base at home. No safety net was going to help me other than the one I got at home from my wife and kids.

Back to my original point. These people want the government to get out of their way and to support themselves. Why do you think that even in blue states like New Hampshire, the people rejected medicare for all. People don't want high taxes and they don't trust the government to do anything. Middle America was strongest when Democrats supported the unions and let the unions fight for its workers. We've since abandoned these unions.

Just because you don't see a better answer doesn't mean there isn't one. I will always point at the electoral map and say "Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania." Ohio has always flipped back and forth, but a Republican should never sweep the rust belt. The rust belt represents the blue collar worker that has always been the base of the Democrats. The Democrats abandoned their base.

But is it really? Or is it a perfectly rational reaction to the unavoidable fact that these people have consistently voted in droves for the party that has done all it could to exacerbate the problem, and which has done so through decades of racist/sexist/homophobic/islamophobic dogwhistle politics?

Oh, but it DOES matter what else he said. You cannot lay his win at the feet of one thing he said and pretend the rest didn't exist. Now, it is true that neither you nor I know for certain just which part of his message persuaded his supporters to vote for him, but you can't rule out that it was the naked appeals to bigotry just because it's nice to think it wasn't that.

You make some interesting points, but it just isn't reasonable to pretend the most openly bigoted presidential candidate in decades won for reasons that have nothing to do with bigotry. That may not have been the only reason, but it sure as heck was one reason. There's no way around that.

When it comes to this topic, I've come to the realization that we will just have to agree to disagree. However, we live in a country where 90% of people believe that we are all created equal. Yeah, there are some bad apples, but small enough where they are not a big problem. At the end of the day those people still voted for a New York City real estate developer on his second mail order bride. Think about this. The First Lady is an immigrant. These people voted knowing they were going to have an immigrant as a first lady.

Lastly, go back to the 2016 republican primary. Half of the final four candidates in the republican primary were Hispanic (Rubio and Cruz). The Democrats push the diversity narrative but they have none in their debates this early in the process. Why? You can't just push candidates for the sake of diversity. You have to have substance. We elected a black man twice because he was the better candidate. With the Democrat candidates the minority candidates don't have any ideas that appeal to the American people. With the Republican candidates, Cruz has always been seen as outside the establishment type and Rubio is popular with the younger conservative base. Heck we should have had a whole Hispanic ticket on the Republican side. Many people from within the party wanted Rubio to pull out and throw his support behind Cruz for the sake of stopping Trump, but like every Cuban male, Rubio wanted to be the man running the show and not number 2. A party that is as racist as you say wouldn't suggest that.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not according to the Cambridge English Dictionary:

Bigot: a person who has strong, unreasonable ideas, esp. about race or religion, and who thinks anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong

So...Trump isn't a bigot.

 

[JackLuis]

Dump writes:

JackLuis writes: "If we had a Congress that would have gone after Dubya and Darth for their criminal behaviour or had an AG that would have pursed them after Obama was elected, it might have made a difference... Thanks Obama!"

I know exactly what you're saying, Jack - Barack Obama did more damage to Democratic Party legislative power than ANY president in our nation's history! But you can't blame Obama for the Republicans increasing their power in the U.S. Senate with the 2018 mid-terms! THAT stupidity belongs to the senate Dems hitching their credibility to Dr. Christine Blasey-Ford in the summer of '18, in their failed effort to destroy Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation to the U.S. Supreme Court!

I disagree Dump, Dems shot themselves in the head by pushing Princess Hillary, who was a horrid candidate, despite 63 Million votes. After 8 years of "Hoping for Change" from Obama, a lot of Independent voters rejected the "Wall Street Candidate" and voted for a shakeup in DC. Trump's election was not based upon "Trump is Jesus" but in the hope he would bring a new attitude to DC.

But the joke was on them, he brought in the same old grifting that the "Parties" have been pushing for decades, now with less justification.

Now we see that the joke was on the Rethuglicunts as Trumpski has destroyed the Republican party and paves the way for a "Progressive" to be elected. Now the choice is to find a candidate who is not lying, too much.

 

[OrLaTime]

Building a wall has nothing to do with bigotry and everything to do with securing our border and making our country safe.
You may or may not agree with the usefulness of that strategy but using the term bigot only shows you've been successfully brainwashed by your media puppeteers.

Wtf!
It’s climbable and you can cut holes in it
It ain’t worth SHIT

Stop drinking the Koolaid!!
Waste of $$$$$$$$$
Unless you are building it

Nimbys in this case have HUGE rights being trampled by our lovely government

Trump says holes are repairable!?!
$100 tool cuts how many holes?
Fuck

Talk about brainwashed

Oh but other countries have walls...
Yup and we used to want them torn down

Different problem
Get fucking Turkey to stop allowing refugees to flood through their county
Oh wait... That dick is Trump’s buddy
That dick just created more refugees most likely
Until .., they rediscover their old ways to erase problems

 

[OrLaTime]

So...Trump isn't a bigot.

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Bigot | Definition of Bigot by Merriam-Webster
Definition of bigot. : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

Whatever

He follows whatever Putin tells him

No? Show us the notes on what they talk about !
Amerika first... right after RUSSIA

 

[gunthernehmen]

Wtf!
It’s climbable and you can cut holes in it
It ain’t worth SHIT

Stop drinking the Koolaid!!
Waste of $$$$$$$$$
Unless you are building it

Nimbys in this case have HUGE rights being trampled by our lovely government

Trump says holes are repairable!?!
$100 tool cuts how many holes?
Fuck

Talk about brainwashed

Oh but other countries have walls...
Yup and we used to want them torn down

Different problem
Get fucking Turkey to stop allowing refugees to flood through their county
Oh wait... That dick is Trump’s buddy
That dick just created more refugees most likely
Until .., they rediscover their old ways to erase problems

So spend a couple bucks on landmines and motion sensing machine guns.

 

[The_Trouvere]

The thing is, when we offer tolerance to stupid ideas, the next batch of ideas are more stupid.

List several stupid ideas, and explain why they are stupid.

 

[gunthernehmen]

List several stupid ideas, and explain why they are stupid.

I was still trying to remember the last time that bigot Phro tolerated ANY stupid ideas, other than his own.

 

[DraggonStone]

I was promised a civil war if Trump got impeached. So, wtf?

 

[gunthernehmen]

I was promised a civil war if Trump got impeached. So, wtf?

Everyone is at the mall.

 

[Dumpington]

JackLuis writes: "Now we see that the joke was on the Rethuglicunts as Trumpski has destroyed the Republican party and paves the way for a "Progressive" to be elected. Now the choice is to find a candidate who is not lying, too much"

And WHAT progressive candidate do you see defeating Trump in 2020, Jack?

The Democrats have actually UNIFIED the Republican Party behind Trump with Schiff & Pelosi's reckless impeachment clown show! NOT ONE House Republican went along, while a congressional Democrat actually BOLTED his party over this, with two others refusing to support their own party! How can you POSSIBLY believe that impeachment is somehow helping Liz Warren or Joe Biden?

OrLaTime writes: "Amerika first... right after RUSSIA"

The old neo-Stalinist element within the Democratic Party used to like & admire Russia back when it was STILL called the Soviet Union, but today they've gravitated towards supporting other Marxist-Socialist dictatorships (like Cuba!) Meanwhile, the Communist Party USA no longer even runs its own candidates, opting instead to endorse whomever the Democrats nominate.

DraggonStone writes: "I was promised a civil war if Trump got impeached. So, wtf?"

I believe that it's dawning on everybody that impeaching Trump changes nothing. He's STILL the president, and the Democratic Party's hopes of winning the presidency in 2020 have only gotten WEAKER!

 

[DraggonStone]

JackLuis writes: "Now we see that the joke was on the Rethuglicunts as Trumpski has destroyed the Republican party and paves the way for a "Progressive" to be elected. Now the choice is to find a candidate who is not lying, too much"

And WHAT progressive candidate do you see defeating Trump in 2020, Jack?

The Democrats have actually UNIFIED the Republican Party behind Trump with Schiff & Pelosi's reckless impeachment clown show! NOT ONE House Republican went along, while a congressional Democrat actually BOLTED his party over this, with two others refusing to support their own party! How can you POSSIBLY believe that impeachment is somehow helping Liz Warren or Joe Biden?

OrLaTime writes: "Amerika first... right after RUSSIA"

The old neo-Stalinist element within the Democratic Party used to like & admire Russia back when it was STILL called the Soviet Union, but today they've gravitated towards supporting other Marxist-Socialist dictatorships (like Cuba!) Meanwhile, the Communist Party USA no longer even runs its own candidates, opting instead to endorse whomever the Democrats nominate.

DraggonStone writes: "I was promised a civil war if Trump got impeached. So, wtf?"

I believe that it's dawning on everybody that impeaching Trump changes nothing. He's STILL the president, and the Democratic Party's hopes of winning the presidency in 2020 have only gotten WEAKER!

I believe that is was the conservative Trump supporting Americans who promised a civil war of Trump was impeached.

 

[YDB95]

Because you're telling these people the exact opposite of what they want to hear. Middle America doesn't want higher taxes. First let me address that fallacy of higher taxes of the 50's. Yes we had higher tax rates that reached 90%, but these were the marginal rates. We had so many tax brackets with so many exemptions that no one paid no more than about 35% which is no different that we have today. I am not 100% certain but this last tax cut might have lowered it under 30%. Having said that, total tax receipts for the last 60 years have been a steady 18-20% of GDP. The promise of America is still that I can work hard and be in that tax bracket one day. That's why we don't want to raise taxes, no just on us, but anyone else.

So it all gets back to what John Steinbeck called "temporarily embarrassed millionaires". People think they're just a lucky break or two away from being as rich as Trump, and they want to pull the ladder up behind them when that happens. That's exactly why my sympathies for them are severely limited in these difficult times. They asked for it, they got it, and they are the ones paying the price.

Middle America doesn't want a safety net. The only safety net they want is their family.

I wouldn't assume that just because that's what YOU want. As a matter of fact, the decline in support for the safety net can be tied directly to decades of Republicans using it as a racial wedge issue, hinting (but never quite outright saying) your tax dollars are going to those brown people. You can read about it in Ian Haney Lopez' "Dog Whistle Politics", which is infuriating but enlightening. (The readers' digest version: there used to be widespread support for a safety net - after all, everyone needs help sometimes - and that changed only with the advent of the Southern strategy.)

I know it's a bit anecdotal, but I will turn 42 in two weeks. I am entering my last semester of law school. When I started, administration told people like me, that we needed a strong support base at home. No safety net was going to help me other than the one I got at home from my wife and kids.

Since even you say that's anecdotal, are you honestly not aware of how unusual you are in that respect? Do you really think just anyone can support kids and a spouse who's gone back to school for three years?

Back to my original point. These people want the government to get out of their way and to support themselves. Why do you think that even in blue states like New Hampshire, the people rejected medicare for all.

New Hampshire isn't a blue state. It was one of the reddest states in the country until the mid-1990s or so, and it still has a big libertarian streak, that's what you're seeing there. As for the fact that it usually goes blue for president now, that's simply because the Republicans have moved so far to the crazy right, moderate Republicans had nowhere else to go.

People don't want high taxes and they don't trust the government to do anything. Middle America was strongest when Democrats supported the unions and let the unions fight for its workers. We've since abandoned these unions.

Thanks in large part to exactly the same people who've spent the past several decades sowing distrust of government and selling the narrative that taxes are always evil.

Just because you don't see a better answer doesn't mean there isn't one. I will always point at the electoral map and say "Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania." Ohio has always flipped back and forth, but a Republican should never sweep the rust belt. The rust belt represents the blue collar worker that has always been the base of the Democrats. The Democrats abandoned their base.

With a little help from the Russians, and a big boost from bigoted white voters in all those states. Let's not pretend it happened in a vacuum.

When it comes to this topic, I've come to the realization that we will just have to agree to disagree. However, we live in a country where 90% of people believe that we are all created equal.

I sure wish I could agree with that, but as long as Trump's approval rating is above 10%, no. There are still a whole lot of voters out there with at least some latent racism in them. I don't know just what to do about that, but I refuse to pretend it isn't there.

Yeah, there are some bad apples, but small enough where they are not a big problem. At the end of the day those people still voted for a New York City real estate developer on his second mail order bride. Think about this. The First Lady is an immigrant. These people voted knowing they were going to have an immigrant as a first lady.

What do you think that proves? I think it proves they knew the man was a fraud from his hairpiece to his tiny orange fingertips, but he said out loud what they'd been thinking for a very, very long time. And that was good enough.

Lastly, go back to the 2016 republican primary. Half of the final four candidates in the republican primary were Hispanic (Rubio and Cruz). The Democrats push the diversity narrative but they have none in their debates this early in the process. Why? You can't just push candidates for the sake of diversity. You have to have substance. We elected a black man twice because he was the better candidate. With the Democrat candidates the minority candidates don't have any ideas that appeal to the American people. With the Republican candidates, Cruz has always been seen as outside the establishment type and Rubio is popular with the younger conservative base. Heck we should have had a whole Hispanic ticket on the Republican side. Many people from within the party wanted Rubio to pull out and throw his support behind Cruz for the sake of stopping Trump, but like every Cuban male, Rubio wanted to be the man running the show and not number 2. A party that is as racist as you say wouldn't suggest that.

First of all, you're pretending there's no fundamental difference between Cubans and other people of color. If you know anything about political history whatsoever, you know perfectly well there is. Secondly, "a party that is as racist as I say" loves its tokens. They think it proves they're not racist. Third, Cruz is the worst sort of right-wing bomb thrower, and he's never even been very popular among Republicans. Fourth, just because YOU don't like the Democrats' ideas does not mean they "don't have any ideas that appeal to the American people." What it does mean is they don't have any ideas that appeal to people who use the slur "Democrat" as an adjective (the correct term is "Democratic") and who think because they can afford to go back to law school while raising a family, somehow everyone can when that's the exact opposite of the truth.

 

[gunthernehmen]

That's exactly why my sympathies for them are severely limited in these difficult times.

These difficult times? We have the lowest unemployment rates in decades. The economy is booming. What more do you want? Mom to pay your rent and utility bills for you?

 

[Dumpington]

DraggonStone writes: "I believe that is was the conservative Trump supporting Americans who promised a civil war of Trump was impeached."

You know as well as I do that there's NO CHANCE the the U.S. Senate will remove President Trump from office! Impeachment means NOTHING without that! It's why Speaker Pelosi is hesitant to forward the House's impeachment charges to that legislative body (as per the dictates of our U.S. Constitution!)

Historical note: EVERY single American president who has humiliated Hillary Clinton has faced impeachment!

YDB95 writes: "New Hampshire isn't a blue state."

New Hampshire has voted Democrat in six of the past seven presidential elections. It's certainly not a red state, is it?

"With a little help from the Russians, and a big boost from bigoted white voters in all those states."

The Democratic Party was long the political home of left-wingers who admired Communist Russia, and it was also the party of the Ku Kux Klan for over a hundred years! Today's Democrats still admire Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger (who addressed Klan rallies) and former U.S. Senator (and former KKK officer) Robert Byrd - President Obama even delivered the eulogy at Byrd's 2010 funeral!

gunthernehmen writes: "We have the lowest unemployment rates in decades. The economy is booming. What more do you want?"

There are actually rabid Trump-haters out there who want a RECESSION to hit our nation in the hopes that massive suffering (mostly by women & children) will turn the American people away from supporting this president!

 

[DraggonStone]

DraggonStone writes: "I believe that is was the conservative Trump supporting Americans who promised a civil war of Trump was impeached."

You know as well as I do that there's NO CHANCE the the U.S. Senate will remove President Trump from office! Impeachment means NOTHING without that! It's why Speaker Pelosi is hesitant to forward the House's impeachment charges to that legislative body (as per the dictates of our U.S. Constitution!)

Historical note: EVERY single American president who has humiliated Hillary Clinton has faced impeachment!

YDB95 writes: "New Hampshire isn't a blue state."

New Hampshire has voted Democrat in six of the past seven presidential elections. It's certainly not a red state, is it?

"With a little help from the Russians, and a big boost from bigoted white voters in all those states."

The Democratic Party was long the political home of left-wingers who admired Communist Russia, and it was also the party of the Ku Kux Klan for over a hundred years! Today's Democrats still admire Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger (who addressed Klan rallies) and former U.S. Senator (and former KKK officer) Robert Byrd - President Obama even delivered the eulogy at Byrd's 2010 funeral!

gunthernehmen writes: "We have the lowest unemployment rates in decades. The economy is booming. What more do you want?"

There are actually rabid Trump-haters out there who want a RECESSION to hit our nation in the hopes that massive suffering (mostly by women & children) will turn the American people away from supporting this president!

But I was promised by people like you that their would be a civil war if Trump was impeached.He was impeached. Are you telling me that I don't get to watch Mericans killing each other with even greater frequency than you do now? Do you need more guns?

 

[gunthernehmen]

But I was promised by people like you that their would be a civil war if Trump was impeached.He was impeached. Are you telling me that I don't get to watch Mericans killing each other with even greater frequency than you do now? Do you need more guns?

You heard that on CNN or something. Fake news.

NOBODY on the right has any such intention. We're too busy WORKING at our jobs.

 

[Rightguide]

DraggonStone writes: "I believe that is was the conservative Trump supporting Americans who promised a civil war of Trump was impeached."

You know as well as I do that there's NO CHANCE the the U.S. Senate will remove President Trump from office! Impeachment means NOTHING without that! It's why Speaker Pelosi is hesitant to forward the House's impeachment charges to that legislative body (as per the dictates of our U.S. Constitution!)

Historical note: EVERY single American president who has humiliated Hillary Clinton has faced impeachment!

YDB95 writes: "New Hampshire isn't a blue state."

New Hampshire has voted Democrat in six of the past seven presidential elections. It's certainly not a red state, is it?

"With a little help from the Russians, and a big boost from bigoted white voters in all those states."

The Democratic Party was long the political home of left-wingers who admired Communist Russia, and it was also the party of the Ku Kux Klan for over a hundred years! Today's Democrats still admire Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger (who addressed Klan rallies) and former U.S. Senator (and former KKK officer) Robert Byrd - President Obama even delivered the eulogy at Byrd's 2010 funeral!

gunthernehmen writes: "We have the lowest unemployment rates in decades. The economy is booming. What more do you want?"

There are actually rabid Trump-haters out there who want a RECESSION to hit our nation in the hopes that massive suffering (mostly by women & children) will turn the American people away from supporting this president!

This impeachment will be seen by historians as the Democrat Party wetting the bed.