Impeachment not going so well?

[DraggonStone]

You heard that on CNN or something. Fake news.

NOBODY on the right has any such intention. We're too busy WORKING at our jobs.

I don't get any information from your media unless I need a laugh

If you're working two jobs, is it safe to say that Trumps tax cut hasn't trickled down to what's left of the middle class?

 

[YDB95]

These difficult times? We have the lowest unemployment rates in decades. The economy is booming. What more do you want? Mom to pay your rent and utility bills for you?

I'd settle for living wages, single-payer health care, pay equity for women and recourse for wrongfully terminated workers, thanks.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'd settle for living wages,

Just like "fair share" define "living wages".

Then tell us all how you 1 size fits all that without destroying some places and helping others because "living wage" in Los Angeles isn't the same a "living wage" in Hopkinsville Kentuckey.

single-payer health care,

Not happening. Not at the federal level, not anytime soon.

Maybe a state might get it and we'll all see how that works out for them.

But a federal one? LOL....That's not happening.

pay equity for women

They have it.

and recourse for wrongfully terminated workers, thanks.

Again, wrongful termination...what is that??

In a free society employment is a totally voluntary exchange, not an owed right.

 

[gunthernehmen]

I don't get any information from your media unless I need a laugh

If you're working two jobs, is it safe to say that Trumps tax cut hasn't trickled down to what's left of the middle class?

Who said I have two jobs? I'm doing pretty good, actually.

 

[DawnONight]

I don't get any information from your media unless I need a laugh

If you're working two jobs, is it safe to say that Trumps tax cut hasn't trickled down to what's left of the middle class?

Well.... The Middle Class is shrinking, but not for the reason you're thinking:

Economist and author Stephen Moore highlighted a new study that says the middle class is getting richer, faster for President Trump than it did for recent presidents....

'In the entire eight years that Obama was president, incomes only budged up about $1,000, so in one-third of the time, Trump has increased income by four times as much,' Moore said. 'We now have a median income of 65,000 dollars.'

As posted on Twitter with a link to his Wall Street Journal opinion, Moore said 'the middle class is not only shrinking, it's getting richer'....​

J. Barmash, Middle class IS getting richer: Family incomes increased $4,100 since Trump took office and economist predicts it will make him tough to beat in 2020, Daily Mail (Oct. 3, 2019).

And:

The middle class, it turns out, is shrinking. But not because they are falling into poverty, as some might have you believe. Rather, it is shrinking because more people are “moving on up,” ascending into a higher income bracket — and living the American dream.​

C. Follett, Middle Class Shrinking… As Households Become Richer, Cato Institute (Sep. 18, 2019).

Meanwhile:

President Donald Trump’s job approval rating is up six percentage points since the House Democrats launched their impeachment inquiry, according to a Gallup poll.

The survey found the president’s approval rating climbed to 45 percent from 39 percent.

This change in the polls occurred from the time that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) formally launched the probe.

This marks the third consecutive rise in Trump’s approval rating....

The survey found a majority of respondents — 51 percent — are against the impeachment and removal of the president, an uptick of five percent since the inquiry was launched. Conversely, 46 percent of respondents stated they approve of impeachment and his removal, a drop of six points....​

Despite their arguments against President Trump, impeachment seems to be a losing matter for Democrats.​

D. Rufful, Poll: Trump Approval up 6 Points Since Impeachment Began, Analyzing America (Dec. 18, 2019) (emphasis added) (quoting J. Caplan, Gallup Poll: Trump Approval up 6 Points Since Impeachment Began Breitbart (Dec. 18, 2019)) (citing J. McCarthy, Trump Approval Inches Up, While Support for Impeachment Dips, Gallup (Dec. 18, 2019).

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't get any information from your media unless I need a laugh

If you're working two jobs, is it safe to say that Trumps tax cut hasn't trickled down to what's left of the middle class?

Actually the middle class sucked it all up, and we're doing well for it, that's why we're employing more low/unskilled workers as well as skilled labor as we ever have in living memory.

If you're working two jobs, you're almost certainly unskilled labor.

Not middle class.

The middle class are your small business owners and the self employed/contractors.

 

[DawnONight]

Actually the middle class sucked it all up, and we're doing well for it, that's why we're employing more low/unskilled workers as well as skilled labor, than ever before.

If you're working two jobs, you're almost certainly unskilled labor.

Not middle class.

The middle class are your small business owners and the self employed/contractors.

It's not just the self-employed who are middle class. Most people who are salaried or wage-scale employees of private sector or government employers fall into the Middle Class as well. They also benefited from the Republican Tax Reforms to the tune of $1000 to $3000 per household.

 

[icanhelp1]

It's not just the self-employed who are middle class. Most people who are salaried or wage-scale employees of private sector or government employers fall into the Middle Class as well. They also benefited from the Republican Tax Reforms to the tune of $1000 to $3000 per household.

FACTS, FACTS, FACTS, YOU'RE RAINING ON MY SOCIALIST AUTHORITARIAN PROGRESSIVE PARADE!

 

[DawnONight]

FACTS, FACTS, FACTS, YOU'RE RAINING ON MY SOCIALIST AUTHORITARIAN PROGRESSIVE PARADE!

http://www.heyterry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/angry-liberal.jpg

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's not just the self-employed who are middle class. Most people who are salaried or wage-scale employees of private sector or government employers fall into the Middle Class as well. They also benefited from the Republican Tax Reforms to the tune of $1000 to $3000 per household.

I disagree, I think the more nuanced and accurate deciding factor in class is not how much income you make but what role you play in making it. Are you working for someone else or are you running your own business?

I think folks who work for others and are well paid because they have some special skill set/licence/degree/certification are what is called "skilled labor".

Now they can make just as much if not more than a lot of the middle class so lots of folks consider them as such because similar income ranges. But they aren't the business owners calling the shots, putting the fires out, cutting the deals, shouldering the responsibilities of being in business. They work for someone else who's doing those things.

 

[icanhelp1]

http://www.heyterry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/angry-liberal.jpg

DAMMIT

YOU FORGOT INTERSECTIONALIST

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I'd settle for living wages, single-payer health care, pay equity for women and recourse for wrongfully terminated workers, thanks.

Move to Canada, though pay equity is still an issue.

 

[Cubantripod]

So it all gets back to what John Steinbeck called "temporarily embarrassed millionaires". People think they're just a lucky break or two away from being as rich as Trump, and they want to pull the ladder up behind them when that happens. That's exactly why my sympathies for them are severely limited in these difficult times. They asked for it, they got it, and they are the ones paying the price.



I wouldn't assume that just because that's what YOU want. As a matter of fact, the decline in support for the safety net can be tied directly to decades of Republicans using it as a racial wedge issue, hinting (but never quite outright saying) your tax dollars are going to those brown people. You can read about it in Ian Haney Lopez' "Dog Whistle Politics", which is infuriating but enlightening. (The readers' digest version: there used to be widespread support for a safety net - after all, everyone needs help sometimes - and that changed only with the advent of the Southern strategy.)



Since even you say that's anecdotal, are you honestly not aware of how unusual you are in that respect? Do you really think just anyone can support kids and a spouse who's gone back to school for three years?



New Hampshire isn't a blue state. It was one of the reddest states in the country until the mid-1990s or so, and it still has a big libertarian streak, that's what you're seeing there. As for the fact that it usually goes blue for president now, that's simply because the Republicans have moved so far to the crazy right, moderate Republicans had nowhere else to go.



Thanks in large part to exactly the same people who've spent the past several decades sowing distrust of government and selling the narrative that taxes are always evil.



With a little help from the Russians, and a big boost from bigoted white voters in all those states. Let's not pretend it happened in a vacuum.



I sure wish I could agree with that, but as long as Trump's approval rating is above 10%, no. There are still a whole lot of voters out there with at least some latent racism in them. I don't know just what to do about that, but I refuse to pretend it isn't there.



What do you think that proves? I think it proves they knew the man was a fraud from his hairpiece to his tiny orange fingertips, but he said out loud what they'd been thinking for a very, very long time. And that was good enough.



First of all, you're pretending there's no fundamental difference between Cubans and other people of color. If you know anything about political history whatsoever, you know perfectly well there is. Secondly, "a party that is as racist as I say" loves its tokens. They think it proves they're not racist. Third, Cruz is the worst sort of right-wing bomb thrower, and he's never even been very popular among Republicans. Fourth, just because YOU don't like the Democrats' ideas does not mean they "don't have any ideas that appeal to the American people." What it does mean is they don't have any ideas that appeal to people who use the slur "Democrat" as an adjective (the correct term is "Democratic") and who think because they can afford to go back to law school while raising a family, somehow everyone can when that's the exact opposite of the truth.

Thanks for helping me with my relapse. I gave up on arguing on social media because it's just far left talking points versus far right talking points. There is no middle ground and no debate. There is not even any intelligent thought. Each side regurgitates their sides talking points with no divergence. I will never understand that. I lean conservative but my opinions are a mix. I think a woman should be able to get the abortion she needs while clutching her AR-15 for comfort because a free society should stay out of a person's business.
You check off every left leaning talking point, then bring it back around and make everything about racism. I am not participating in that silliness. I'm looking for actual debate. I guess you were just taught to think within the framework of identity politics and race. I won't hold that against you. It's how you were taught, but the world is much more complicated than that. Hopefully one day you'll have that epiphany and understand enough about human psychology to understand how you are just as responsible for Trump being elected as the people who actually cast the vote for him. If not, you will have future Trumps in office and may I dare to say worse.

You can respond to this if you want. I won't be here to read it. I'm heading back over to the BDSM section, which is the reason I came onto this site to begin with.

 

[DraggonStone]

I'm really only interested in your civil war. When does that start?

 

[gunthernehmen]

I'm really only interested in your civil war. When does that start?

The only people that actually want a civil war already turned in their guns.

The right hasn't got the slightest interest in a war.

You can keep wishing we do, for whatever perverted reason, but we don't.

 

[DraggonStone]

The only people that actually want a civil war already turned in their guns.

The right hasn't got the slightest interest in a war.

You can keep wishing we do, for whatever perverted reason, but we don't.

Hey yank, do you speak for the entire right wing of USA politics?

Btw, I'm certain that I heard your president Trump threaten violence if he was impeached.

What's the difference between a Trump rally and your professional wrestling shows?

 

[magicalmoments]

Trump did threaten violence on the streets if he was impeached, he threatened it if he was defeated in 2020. As always just a bag of bullshit.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Hey yank, do you speak for the entire right wing of USA politics?

Btw, I'm certain that I heard your president Trump threaten violence if he was impeached.

What's the difference between a Trump rally and your professional wrestling shows?

Do you speak for the entire right wing of USA politics?

Btw, no you didn't. But I do believe you're certain you heard it.

I've never in my life seen a professional wrestling show, so I couldn't say.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Trump did threaten violence on the streets if he was impeached, he threatened it if he was defeated in 2020. As always just a bag of bullshit.

The only problem with that is, it never happened.

The only organized violence going on in the US at this point is being conducted by the left. Antifa, as one example.

 

[magicalmoments]

#285 above.

Another collection of right wing, fake news, non fact checking, right wing sources and commentators. I wouldn't trust one word of the analysis presented here.

Just to be clear, in not arguing the facts and direct quotes which are sourced from recognised credible agencies, e.g Gallup. Just the analysis by the right wing biased commentators and agencies which is pretty much everyone else in this post.

I still question the logic of an argument that claims a successful economy by pointing to a significant reduction in size of the middle class without noting that this is not offset by an equivalent reduction in working class people who should also be moving up to fill this massive reduction in the numbers of middle class.
To my mind a successful economy would see an upward movement in all levels of income on a roughly proportionate basis. This would mean all classes would remain in proportion to each other, except maybe the lower levels.
To claim a successful economy because the middle class is shrinking just doesn't ring true.
In any event such analysis that doesn't add in the impact of rocketing national debt on which this growth is based, is fundamentally flawed.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The only organized violence going on in the US at this point is being conducted by the left. Antifa, as one example.

Bull Shit!!!

Most organised violence going on in the streets of the US is from gangs. Period end of story.

Now I have no idea what the political affiliation of the 33,000 or so gangs in the US are, but I doubt they are all from Antifa, what ever the hell that is, since it only seems to exist in the US.

 

[gunthernehmen]

TLDR

Your inability to understand doesn't mean much.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Bull Shit!!!

Most organised violence going on in the streets of the US is from gangs. Period end of story.

Now I have no idea what the political affiliation of the 33,000 or so gangs in the US are, but I doubt they are all from Antifa, what ever the hell that is, since it only seems to exist in the US.

Organised violence is the realm of the Democrat Party and Anti fa.

Gang violence is not organised. It's also mostly in Urban, Democrat territory.

There are no gangs in rural America.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Organised violence is the realm of the Democrat Party and Anti fa.

Gang violence is not organised. It's also mostly in Urban, Democrat territory.

There are no gangs in rural America.

Note the Mafia, or organised crime family's are considered a "gang".

So the police are wrong when they call it "organised crime"?

I don't care where they set up shop, all I said was bull shit on the Democrats or whatever being your only organised crimes. M-13 is nothing to worry about, the drug wars are just fake news? Oh and are not wars "organised"

 

[DraggonStone]

Organised violence is the realm of the Democrat Party and Anti fa.

Gang violence is not organised. It's also mostly in Urban, Democrat territory.

There are no gangs in rural America.

Except for the klan