"It appears, author, you’ve never been in an incestuous relationship yourself…"

[Djmac1031]

"Port" and "Left" have the same number of letters.

Lol. I work VERY hard to actively avoid what my characters do for a living, because first of all, if it's not integral to the plot, who cares?

And second , I don't wanna write myself into a corner giving a character a job I know fuck all about lol.

 

[8letters]

The title refers to a comment I recently received. Now, setting aside the merits of said comment, I was wondering if authors writing for the category (at least those represented here) do have firsthand experiences. I’m guessing not… I don’t think it’s a reach to assume people who’ve been in such relationships may struggle, severely, to write fondly and erotically about their experiences. On the other hand, it might be cathartic for some.

Yes, maybe I’m closed minded, but I think the bad surely outweighs the good when it comes to REAL incest. We kind of cherry-pick the 'pretty bits' and leave the very-very ugly ones out of the stories.

I’ve never been in such a relationship, but I did read up a little to try and give a tiny sense of realism to a story (though I aim for my stories to always be fundamentally silly).

Have you been in or spoken to someone who was involved in such a relationship that then imprinted on your stories? Do you ever try to add a bit of 'realism' to your I/T stories by relying on non-fiction regarding the subject?

I write I/T. The only person I've spoken with who had been in an I/T relationship was someone who was knocked up by her uncle when she was fifteen. She talked about the challenges of being a single young mom instead of having had sex with a family member. My story Sister Has a Plan is partially based on her.

Forced sex or coerced sex is destructive. Most incest in the US is forced or coercive sex. But that's not true in other countries. In Western Europe and countries settled by Western Europeans, incest relationships are looked down upon as a historical artifact of the Roman Christian Church in the middle ages to the 1500's banning marriages to cousins, step-relatives, in-laws, and even spiritual-kin, better known as godparents. The US has an exceptionally low amount of marriage between second cousins and closer. I'd guess that has to do with the populations that tend to have consanguine marriages are low-status groups like immigrants, closed communities and jays (leading to jokes like "That's what happen when cousins marry.")

But countries without that Roman Christian Church background have high rates of consanguine marriages. In Japan, 7.6% of marriages are between second cousins or closer. In Israel, it's 20%. In India, it's 26.6%. In Saudia Arabia, it's 38.4%. In Pakistan, it's 51.0%.

I write about consensual incest relationships, primarily brother-sister or first cousins. When people make sweeping statements about how REAL incest is always bad, I always wonder "Do they not know that first cousins marry all the time?" Do I think consensual brother-sister relationships happen in real life? Yes. Very rarely, but more often than relationships between twenty-something billionaires and middle-class women. I have enough sense to know that both types of stories are fantasies.

What I like about writing I/T stories is that I write them like old-time romances which end on the two characters declaring their love for each other and then live happily ever after.

 

[Djmac1031]

Look, what we write are fantasies. And fantasies are essentially harmless as long as everyone understands the difference between fantasy and reality.

Just because I enjoy the Halloween films doesn't mean I think murderous rampages are fun, or even acceptable.

Just because I enjoy a good incest story doesn't mean I wanna fuck my mother, sister, or daughter.

Only stories I'm truly not into are forced sex stories.

I actually wrote one but wound up writing an alternative ending that totally changed things because I felt a little creepy about it afterwards.

But I'd certainly never assume that people who enjoy forced sex stories are rapists.

Fantasies are fantasies. And they can be healthy, as long as we keep our perspectives on them clear.

 

[windar]

I write I/T. The only person I've spoken with who had been in an I/T relationship was someone who was knocked up by her uncle when she was fifteen. She talked about the challenges of being a single young mom instead of having had sex with a family member. My story Sister Has a Plan is partially based on her.

Forced sex or coerced sex is destructive. Most incest in the US is forced or coercive sex. But that's not true in other countries. In Western Europe and countries settled by Western Europeans, incest relationships are looked down upon as a historical artifact of the Roman Christian Church in the middle ages to the 1500's banning marriages to cousins, step-relatives, in-laws, and even spiritual-kin, better known as godparents. The US has an exceptionally low amount of marriage between second cousins and closer. I'd guess that has to do with the populations that tend to have consanguine marriages are low-status groups like immigrants, closed communities and jays (leading to jokes like "That's what happen when cousins marry.")

But countries without that Roman Christian Church background have high rates of consanguine marriages. In Japan, 7.6% of marriages are between second cousins or closer. In Israel, it's 20%. In India, it's 26.6%. In Saudia Arabia, it's 38.4%. In Pakistan, it's 51.0%.

I write about consensual incest relationships, primarily brother-sister or first cousins. When people make sweeping statements about how REAL incest is always bad, I always wonder "Do they not know that first cousins marry all the time?" Do I think consensual brother-sister relationships happen in real life? Yes. Very rarely, but more often than relationships between twenty-something billionaires and middle-class women. I have enough sense to know that both types of stories are fantasies.

What I like about writing I/T stories is that I write them like old-time romances which end on the two characters declaring their love for each other and then live happily ever after.

First cousin marriages are legal in 19 US states, though it's believed the incidence is very low https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage_law_in_the_United_States

Sibling marriage was required for Egyptian pharaohs and the Inca Emperor. It was believed that only a sister was pure enough to reproduce with those holy and exalted persons, though I suspect the grand poobahs probably fooled around a bit on the side...

 

[Kumquatqueen]

I've never known it to go well for people who've experienced real incest. Apparently if it really is mutual experimentation between siblings they can escape without ill effects, but usually one party is pushing it much more than the other.

So out of curiosity I read some incest stories here to try to figure out the attraction, just like I've read other genres of fiction.

The main thing that struck me was how little relationship to reality they had - even the top-rated stories with more actual storyline tend to include little characterisation beyond "My X was hot. They seemed to be flirting! It would be so wrong but I couldn't stop thinking about it! And then Mom sat on my lap. It was so wrong but so hot! She said it was fine because we loved each other! It was so wrong but so hot as we...'

So I stopped worrying that 'incest' fiction was dismissive of real incest or likely to lead to it, because it has the same lack of reality as say Twilight. Most SF is in fact more realistic because it actively tries to persuade you it could be real, rather than the type of porn writing which which knows full well it isn't real but elements of it get people off anyway.

I still don't get the attraction but each to their own. I imagine it's a similar 'naughty' feeling to those who believe in one partner only being unfaithful, only the more so because it's not a taboo that gets commonly broken by consenting adults?

 

[MrPixel]

"Port" and "Left" have the same number of letters. That's how I remember

I use a similar crutch -

Short words: port, left, red.

Long words: starboard, right, green.

 

[SimonDoom]

I still don't get the attraction but each to their own. I imagine it's a similar 'naughty' feeling to those who believe in one partner only being unfaithful, only the more so because it's not a taboo that gets commonly broken by consenting adults?

It's the taboo, pure and simple.


Mark Twain said: "There is a charm about the forbidden that makes it unmistakably desirable."

One either gets that, or one doesn't. I think most people feel it, but a minority do not. And some of those who feel it refuse to admit it to themselves.

In contemporary, liberal Western society, there aren't too many sexual taboos left. If it concerns consenting adults, pretty much anything goes. But not incest. It's still illegal in most places, and it's frowned upon in most places, too.

The taboo inherent in an incestuous relationship gives a story about it a delicious frisson that is perfect for erotica. It's an easy, automatic way to create a barrier between two attractive people having sex with one another. And for that reason, it's perfect for a short story, because all the author has to do is say A and B are brother and sister and BOOM the reader understands that a barrier exists that must be overcome. It creates instant drama and erotic tension.

 

[8letters]

First cousin marriages are legal in 19 US states, though it's believed the incidence is very low https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage_law_in_the_United_States

What matters is the number of states where out-of-state marriages between first cousins is voided in the state, which is eight. Otherwise, you just get married in California or Florida and then you're legally married at home.

Even among those eights, I think that married first cousins aren't going to be prosecuted. Michael Lee and Angela Peang are first cousins who wanted to get married in Utah but couldn't because Utah has among the most restrictive laws against first cousin marriage in the country. They went to the press to try to get the law changed. When they couldn't, they took a quick trip to Colorado to get married. In Jan, 2020, Angela Peang was pregnant with their first baby even though sexual relations between first cousins is illegal in Utah. At that time, there were lots of articles about how the couple could go to jail, but I've not found an article that they were actually arrested.

Edit: As for the incidence being very low, so many marriages happen that that still means a fair number. Let's say that 0.01% of marriages in the US are between first cousins. There are 2 million marriages a year in the US, so that means 200 first cousin marriages a year. Now, how many first cousins had consensual relationships but didn't wind up marrying? Say a hundred for each one that actually got married? That means 20K consensual first-cousin relationships a year.

 

[MrPixel]

... When people make sweeping statements about how REAL incest is always bad, I always wonder "Do they not know that first cousins marry all the time?"...

Strangely, and it's probably just me, I don't consider first-cousin relationships incest. Sibling-sibling, parent-child and uncle/aunt-niece/nephew, yes.

It may have something to do with my upbringing, where due to distances I would only see extended family at infrequent reunions. Consequently, I would not have recognized any of my cousins on the street, and would only discover the connection after about the sixth or seventh date. You know, about the point we've run out of stuff to talk about, so we fill the void by revealing kin beyond our immediate family.

 

[SimonDoom]

Strangely, and it's probably just me, I don't consider first-cousin relationships incest. Sibling-sibling, parent-child and uncle/aunt-niece/nephew, yes.

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I don't think it's strange. For erotica purposes, cousin incest is a weaker form of incest because the taboo is far less strong. The strength of the taboo correlates highly with the erotic appeal. That's why mom-son incest is so popular. Most (though certainly not all) incest readers are men. Many of them are uncomfortable indulging father-daughter fantasies, but mother-son fantasies seem more like fair game because mom is the older one in the relationship. It's a combination of high taboo/acceptable fantasizing that makes it work.

 

[Djmac1031]

I don't think it's strange. For erotica purposes, cousin incest is a weaker form of incest because the taboo is far less strong. The strength of the taboo correlates highly with the erotic appeal. That's why mom-son incest is so popular. Most (though certainly not all) incest readers are men. Many of them are uncomfortable indulging father-daughter fantasies, but mother-son fantasies seem more like fair game because mom is the older one in the relationship. It's a combination of high taboo/acceptable fantasizing that makes it work.

Not to intentionally try and contradict you, but personally I prefer father/ daughter over mother / son.

Well, depending on my mood I guess.

I have a daughter. Never, EVER thought about her inappropriately. EVER.

As I mentioned in a comment above, there's a big difference between what we fantasize about and reality.

And I don't think fans of incest stories should feel the need to defend themselves for it anymore than fans of horror movies should have to defend their enjoyment of them.

Someone who lost a loved one to violence may choose to avoid violent movies.

Someone who is, or knows someone who is, a victim of incest may choose to avoid incest stories.

And they're absolutely entitled to their feelings on them.

But it doesn't automatically make them harmful to society, or make those who enjoy them, or write them, monsters.

 

[SimonDoom]

Not to intentionally try and contradict you, but personally I prefer father/ daughter over mother / son.

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You are not contradicting me. You're just stating your preference, which is as valid as anyone else's.

My perception is that mother-son is somewhat more popular at Lit than father-daughter, but that's not to say that father-daughter is not popular. It's very popular. So is brother-sister, which I think is a more realistic subcategory of incest, most of the time.

 

[Djmac1031]

You are not contradicting me. You're just stating your preference, which is as valid as anyone else's.

My perception is that mother-son is somewhat more popular at Lit than father-daughter, but that's not to say that father-daughter is not popular. It's very popular. So is brother-sister, which I think is a more realistic subcategory of incest, most of the time.

If there's a lesson I've learned about the internet, it's that things that you absolutely do not intend to sound confrontational can still come off that way lol.

So I like to clarify, just to be safe.

I like discussions. I hate arguments lol.

 

[oggbashan]

I have written a couple of Incest stories just to prove to myself that I could. I won't write any more of them.

I try to do research if I don't know the exact situation of a period I am writing in. Very occasionally I am wrong - like for example in Canny Mackenzie. I researched when canned beer was available in Australia I was right but it was American canned beer imported with the GIs, not Australian which wasn't produced until after WW2.

 

[SimonDoom]

I like discussions. I hate arguments lol.

LOL. I have a very, very long history of arguing, at work and at play, so I'm comfortable with -- and even enjoy -- arguments as long as they do not get personally nasty. But I agree one of the problems of online communication is it is difficult to interpret your counterpart's mood and intention. It's easy for things to get rancorous quickly.

 

[Haulover]

...
...wondering if authors writing for the category (at least those represented here) do have firsthand experiences. ...

Excuse my stating the obvious here, but-

Crime novel authors don't necessarily have experience being criminals. But the better authors have studied the subject closely, and often interacted closely with both - criminals and police.

Science fiction authors have (obviously) not experienced their subject matter either - though the better authors have usually consulted with well qualified scientists.

Etc.​

In summary - the closer you can be to your subject matter, the better. But it isn't a prerequisite.

 

[RetroFan]

I've written stories in many different places all over the world, in different time periods with different characters who have different occupations. You can definitely write about things outside of your experience as long as you do your research, and don't go into too many details about things out of your experience. For example, I wasn't born in 1955, I'm from Australia rather than the UK, have never been to either Liverpool or Blackpool and have never had an intimate encounter with a cousin, but was able to effectively write 'Banging Cousin Becky In Blackpool' as I did my research before writing the story, and given how long ago it was set few would have experienced it themselves.

I think you are more likely to come unstuck if you write about something ordinary you haven't done but most other people have done. For example, most people have been to high school and would remember the experience. If however you wrote a story about 18-year-old seniors at high school when you had been home schooled and never set foot in a school in your life, this would likely show up as most readers would have been to high school.

 

[Comshaw]

The title refers to a comment I recently received. Now, setting aside the merits of said comment, I was wondering if authors writing for the category (at least those represented here) do have firsthand experiences. I’m guessing not… I don’t think it’s a reach to assume people who’ve been in such relationships may struggle, severely, to write fondly and erotically about their experiences. On the other hand, it might be cathartic for some.

Yes, maybe I’m closed minded, but I think the bad surely outweighs the good when it comes to REAL incest. We kind of cherry-pick the 'pretty bits' and leave the very-very ugly ones out of the stories.

I’ve never been in such a relationship, but I did read up a little to try and give a tiny sense of realism to a story (though I aim for my stories to always be fundamentally silly).

Have you been in or spoken to someone who was involved in such a relationship that then imprinted on your stories? Do you ever try to add a bit of 'realism' to your I/T stories by relying on non-fiction regarding the subject?

Do you really think that anyone who has been in a real and damaging incestuous relationship is going to talk freely about it? A few perhaps, but not many. The majority of those relationships involve underage kids. And the vast majority of them were damaging to those involved. They have to deal with the secrecy, the embarrassment and agony of knowing it was seen as reprehensible by the majority of our society and a whole host of other things. It's even worse if the sexual contact was enjoyable. How do you reconcile the pleasure with the other feeling of embarrassment and shame? Most times it takes years.

That said there are many that confuse real incest with the fantasy of it. The two aren't the same. Not even remotely. I have only written few incest tales. Only one is posted here. It deals with a stepbrother and sister, so many don't even consider it an incest tale. But as a parallel, I've written a few non-consent stories. The flavor of those tales is exciting, lustful and in the end fun. I can state with authority that real non-consent sex isn't anything like that.

A person very close to me was gang raped in her late teens. Over the years, during some of our conversations, she told me about it. During the hours of the rape they were brutal, hurting her terribly. They choked her until she passed out as they raped her, sodomized her. She was completely terrified the entire time thinking they were going to kill her. With all that, she also told me she climaxed multiple times. How do you reconcile that? How do you tell yourself it was a criminal thing to do, but that you also derived pleasure from it? She's spent years dealing with the repercussions of that night.

So, like the fantasy non-consent I write, the fantasy incest isn't even close to the reality either. Both have an in common name, with almost nothing else in common.

Comshaw

 

[rescatooor]

Do you really think that anyone who has been in a real and damaging incestuous relationship is going to talk freely about it? A few perhaps, but not many. The majority of those relationships involve underage kids. And the vast majority of them were damaging to those involved. They have to deal with the secrecy, the embarrassment and agony of knowing it was seen as reprehensible by the majority of our society and a whole host of other things. It's even worse if the sexual contact was enjoyable. How do you reconcile the pleasure with the other feeling of embarrassment and shame? Most times it takes years.

That said there are many that confuse real incest with the fantasy of it. The two aren't the same. Not even remotely. I have only written few incest tales. Only one is posted here. It deals with a stepbrother and sister, so many don't even consider it an incest tale. But as a parallel, I've written a few non-consent stories. The flavor of those tales is exciting, lustful and in the end fun. I can state with authority that real non-consent sex isn't anything like that.

A person very close to me was gang raped in her late teens. Over the years, during some of our conversations, she told me about it. During the hours of the rape they were brutal, hurting her terribly. They choked her until she passed out as they raped her, sodomized her. She was completely terrified the entire time thinking they were going to kill her. With all that, she also told me she climaxed multiple times. How do you reconcile that? How do you tell yourself it was a criminal thing to do, but that you also derived pleasure from it? She's spent years dealing with the repercussions of that night.

So, like the fantasy non-consent I write, the fantasy incest isn't even close to the reality either. Both have an in common name, with almost nothing else in common.

Comshaw

Take it as you will but I have had people reach me out to it via feedback option to just tell me that they partake in an incestuous relationship. Siblings in the most recent case. So yes, sometimes they do want to talk about it.

Could be bullshit of course.

I didn't respond to them. If people get a kick out of specifically having sex with family members, in my experience they're much like everyone else with a kink: super into talking about it.

 

[8letters]

I've written stories in many different places all over the world, in different time periods with different characters who have different occupations. You can definitely write about things outside of your experience as long as you do your research, and don't go into too many details about things out of your experience. For example, I wasn't born in 1955, I'm from Australia rather than the UK, have never been to either Liverpool or Blackpool and have never had an intimate encounter with a cousin, but was able to effectively write 'Banging Cousin Becky In Blackpool' as I did my research before writing the story, and given how long ago it was set few would have experienced it themselves.

I think you are more likely to come unstuck if you write about something ordinary you haven't done but most other people have done. For example, most people have been to high school and would remember the experience. If however you wrote a story about 18-year-old seniors at high school when you had been home schooled and never set foot in a school in your life, this would likely show up as most readers would have been to high school.

The thing is, almost no readers know what it's like to have a consensual incestuous relationship like is portrayed here. When I write my stories, I try to imagine myself being in those type of situations, but I have no idea of what actually triggers consensual incestuous relationships. So people might call you out on details about Liverpool or Blackpool, but they aren't going to call you out on details about banging your cousin.

 

[TadOverdon]

So people might call you out on details about Liverpool or Blackpool, but they aren't going to call you out on details about banging your cousin.

And yet, here we are. LOL

 

[Athalia]

Do you really think that anyone who has been in a real and damaging incestuous relationship is going to talk freely about it? A few perhaps, but not many.

I am one of them. And there were a few others who have remarked on it, IIRC. In fact, one of them was a man. But you're right that we are a rare breed. And we are the ones who have put some distance between the present time and the time when the incidents occurred.

The majority of those relationships involve underage kids. And the vast majority of them were damaging to those involved. They have to deal with the secrecy, the embarrassment and agony of knowing it was seen as reprehensible by the majority of our society and a whole host of other things. It's even worse if the sexual contact was enjoyable. How do you reconcile the pleasure with the other feeling of embarrassment and shame? Most times it takes years.

The enjoyment is problematic. My enjoyment wasn't primarily sexual, but dealt with the power that I had to induce their orgasms, in a situation and a time of my life when I was usually powerless.

A person very close to me was gang raped in her late teens. Over the years, during some of our conversations, she told me about it. During the hours of the rape they were brutal, hurting her terribly. They choked her until she passed out as they raped her, sodomized her. She was completely terrified the entire time thinking they were going to kill her. With all that, she also told me she climaxed multiple times. How do you reconcile that? How do you tell yourself it was a criminal thing to do, but that you also derived pleasure from it? She's spent years dealing with the repercussions of that night.

Any male who's the victim of incest can tell you that he couldn't help orgasming, that it was a response to a stimulus he couldn't deny, just as the pleasure you get from riding a roller-coaster can't be separated from the panic you feel when you're going weightless. I suspect it was the same with your friend. Your body is releasing endorphins at the same time your mind is being terrorized. That has long been the defense of the rapist: "Well, she seemed to be enjoying it, so it couldn't have been rape." So no, it's not hard to reconcile the two emotions.

 

[Comshaw]

I am one of them. And there were a few others who have remarked on it, IIRC. In fact, one of them was a man. But you're right that we are a rare breed. And we are the ones who have put some distance between the present time and the time when the incidents occurred.





The enjoyment is problematic. My enjoyment wasn't primarily sexual, but dealt with the power that I had to induce their orgasms, in a situation and a time of my life when I was usually powerless.




Any male who's the victim of incest can tell you that he couldn't help orgasming, that it was a response to a stimulus he couldn't deny, just as the pleasure you get from riding a roller-coaster can't be separated from the panic you feel when you're going weightless. I suspect it was the same with your friend. Your body is releasing endorphins at the same time your mind is being terrorized. That has long been the defense of the rapist: "Well, she seemed to be enjoying it, so it couldn't have been rape." So no, it's not hard to reconcile the two emotions.

For some I believe that's true but not for the majority. They usually can't rationalize it as you did above. I have seen first hand the struggle, the want to enjoy sex on the one hand while dealing the fear and revulsion that has become associated with it on the other. The friend I wrote of dealt with it by fracturing her personality into separate parts, five in all. It took years of therapy and work before she could bring all those back together as one.

What I didn't say before and it appears I need to, is I have been in a male/male family incest relationship. Several actually. My family was filled with pedophiles. And those relationships left some deep and festered wounds. A big part of that was I am totally heterosexual. And I hope no one misinterprets that to mean I have anything against homosexuals. I don't. But me being forced into such a relationship is just as damaging as a homosexual being forced into a heterosexual relationship, both are against that person's natural inclinations.

I was embarrassed, guilty and angry for a lot of years about what happened. Couple that with alcoholism, PTSD brought on by other things from my childhood and a year in a crappy war and it caused a lot of self-destructive behavior, doing things a normal sane person would never do. It took me a lot of work to get where I am, to be comfortable enough to even mention it happened.

So I know first hand the destructive power of incest and how it affects most.

And I will state again, I have nothing against incest stories. They are a fantasy. However, I also know that the fantasy is one hell of a long way from the reality.

I think I've said enough on this subject. TA ya'll.

Comshaw

 

[46n2]

I get the feeling you’re Fishing here, mate. (initial poster)

It’s somewhat obvious.

But I can take the bait to some degree cuz the topic itself has merit.


-I would NEVER wanna fuck my mother.

Yuck.

The thought of it almost makes me ill. Not that she was ever unatractive to others (she was a model at some points, in fact) and I’ve been annoyed enough just like many other kids hearing that their mom is “all that” and not just a Mom.

I was often jealous of other kids about their moms. I would never say so. But I totally wanted many of my friends mom’s to be mine instead. There’s enough continuity within that where - maybe my fascination with that desire was greater than theirs? Maybe.

I come from a broken relationship/marriage. And my mother is fucking broken.

I’m plenty broken as a result.

But here’s the potentially more interesting part:


I’m obsessed about “mothering stories”.

I remember landing on Literotica 20 years ago and laughing at “Kentucky” cuz what the hell is all that incest about. Har, har, har. But then I read this story about a Mom and her kid all frozen after a football game gone wrong; the bathtub. Yikes, I musta jacked off about that for weeks. And then a brother and a sister. She was outside his window going berserk on herself while he slammed his cock into her best friend? WTF? What’s wrong with me?!

Even weirder.

The bathtub thing has me hooked. Showers, Bubbles. Bathtubs. Tug jobs, to be more exact.

And here’s what’s really weird about that. Potentially.


When I had - begun to become a man but not at all one yet - we were traveling throughout Europe. My brain was on fire. I was completely redifining what I knew of the world on the go; in real-time. The four of us had a van and we just ate it all up.

At one point. We laid it down at a beach campsite. We, as a family of four, remained there for well beyond a week.

My mother forced me to take a shower with her there. She set it all up. I remember days before her complaining about the “shower coins”. And then I got manipulated. I had to stand inside a shower with her naked, to save a coin. Soap it up, together.

It wasn’t accidental. She wanted to know what I looked like down there. She wanted to know my growth. She wanted to know if I had pubic hair yet. And she wanted to know enough that - she would break that kind of trust completely.

This was fracturous to me in a way you can’t even define.

I felt compromised completely and…

Well, I felt like a victim.

I’d never felt like a victim of anything in any way prior to that but in that moment I would know what it meant going forward.

Noting happened within the shower.

She was naked and reasonably attractive.

And I was not.

I wasn’t finished yet (in fact I would nearly double my size down there within a few short years).

I could only be scarred: ‘This is what my mother has seen and will measure me by. And I, of her. Sick bitch.’

That is a very REAL scar for me and it got a whole lot worse soon after. There has not been any sort of real (or any) relationship since.

But the point I want to make here is…

I absolutely love shower scenarios.

Bathtub scenarios.

She willfully (or wantingly) grabs his cock and it’s all just begun going on.


-Why would I enjoy something that so similarly scarred me?

Why do women so enjoy a “rape” scenario?


I don’t have an answer for it yet beyond the obvious:

Because I’d like to take charge of a situation I could not prior.


But do I want to do that with my actual Mom?

NO!!!!!!


Understand this the next time you call a cunt "stupid" cuz she still jills herself over being abducted.

 

[Muselight]

I'd like to agree with everyone here who has been vehement about expressing the difference between fantasy and reality, and how as writers - all it really takes is imagination and skill. I suppose also I'd like to weigh in on something. I'm not entirely sure why - I think because of the sheer anonymity of the internet, because I can come and go here as I please - even disappear entirely if I want and no one would know my name, because I'm using an alias here I've used nowhere else, because this is an erotica site that hosts Incest/Taboo stories and I feel like I can talk freely. Also, perhaps I am tired and simply just don't give a fuck.

It's something I have talked to a therapist about but not in as much detail as I'm about to describe here due to shame, embarrassment, and being worried about what she would think of me (I know non-judgement is what being a therapist is all about - but the thought of putting all of this out there in the "real world" terrifies me far too much).

My biological dad raped me. I was young, and it was the first and only sexual-relational experience I ever had. It, among other traumatic things that occurred in my background, has had a pretty profound, overwhelmingly negative impact on my life - though, I'm proud for myself for what recovery I have made, continue to make, and the fact that I can function fairly okay even if my life isn't exactly ideal or where I want it to be. Relationships (all friendships - I do not like the idea of being in a romantic or sexual relationship with anyone - I don't really know if I'm just naturally inclined to be this way as I don't feel any distress or longing over it or if it was a direct result of what had happened to me (my research suggests that generally it's the exact opposite that happens) - I don't care to ask this question too much because most of the time it seems pretty irrelevant and a mere curiosity) are difficult for me. I like the idea of deep connection and trust but trying to reach that point is hard because I prefer to keep my distance and avoid trusting too much. I have a tendency towards withdrawal and self-isolation - which is pretty easy to do considering I've cut off contact with pretty much all of my biological family (rotten apples all across the board for many reasons).

Being caught off-guard by incest or taboo - whether in a news story or while perusing fandom-fiction tends to be triggering for me.

But... For some reason, it doesn't bother me when I seek it out - probably because I get aroused by it. For some reason, I find stories involving father/daughter - particularly stories where the father is the aggressor, the daughter is innocent, there might even be some dubcon or noncon involved - very arousing. Conversely, stories where the daughter is the seducer are much less arousing and tend to make me angry.

I'm not sure what drives me to seek out these stories. I'm not sure if it's unhealthy (it doesn't seem like an obsession at least - I think I really only read a few times a month) or if it's my brain's way of trying to desensitize myself to it or if it's some means of exerting control (since I click on the stories) or if I'm still trying to understand / process what happened or if it's some other weird coping mechanism or if it's none of the above and it really simply just is... a thing.

I think, the fact that the section exists, is in some bizarre way... comforting? Like hey, maybe I'm not super messed up or broken - there's people that fantasize about this with no intention of acting on it, and there's likely nothing all that wrong with them. Or at the very least, the idea that people are simply putting words on a screen instead of doing such things in real life.

I don't know. I'm not sure.

Anyway, I think I might have strayed somewhat off-topic.

Going back to the whole "imagination and skill" of a writer... I really whole-heartedly believe in it. I once had someone express to me that they believed someone needs to have experience in sex in order to write sexual scenes, but I disagree with that assumption. I think with enough careful research (lots of reading material especially), thought, and constructive feedback, a person can write just about anything. Personally, I enjoy writing erotic scenes, but I've had very little sexual experience myself (being aro/ace essentially). I'm not entirely sure I'm all that good at them (yet), but I feel like more writing and reading can only help me get better at it.