"It appears, author, you’ve never been in an incestuous relationship yourself…"

[Athalia]

Most of incest in real life is abuse which is why I generally have the 'don't try this at home' attitude about it.
However, in the case of siblings I can see it happening albeit I think something is amiss somewhere to get the wires crossed, but they're usually close in age and close in other ways, the familial love just takes the extra step.

As an incest survivor (which I mentioned earlier), I concur. My experience definitely had the power imbalance.

But in the case of parent and adult child, my personal feelings aren't positive on it because no matter how old you are, your parent is your parent and there is an unequal power dynamic, you were raised to obey this person and I feel those relationships can never be equal, more so unlike siblings who again are peers, a parent should always know better, even if the adult child is the instigator.

Real life isn't lit, and to me any form of parent child at any age is a form of manipulation and abuse. That's my opinion, others can agree and disagree.

I agree in general, but I have seen truly equal-balance relationships develop in a few cases between a parent and their child. They both have to be very mature and accepting of the other's status as co-equals, though. What helps that situation is when the two never really developed a true parent-child relationship, but became truly acquainted when they both were adults. At least one of the relationships I've seen were of that sort, when the daughter never saw her father until she was in college.

What's odd is that, as the parents enter old age, the power balance flips, and it's the parent who becomes dependent on the child. Usually, sex is off the table by then, anyway.

 

[SimonDoom]

I want to believe that this question is meant as a provocative or ironic statement, rather than a genuine inquiry. However, if it is indeed sincere, then it raises serious concerns that cannot be ignored.

As a 45-year-old parent, one should be well aware of the harm and taboo associated with incestuous relationships. Regardless of how one rationalizes it, the older person in such a situation is exploiting the vulnerability and lack of experience of the younger person.

In your case, the mother is depriving her son of the opportunity to develop a healthy and fulfilling relationship during a crucial stage of his life. When this disturbing liaison inevitably ends, it will not only shatter the bond between a parent and child, but also inflict long-lasting emotional scars that can impede future relationships.

Even in the case of an adopted child, the psychological repercussions of incest can be profound and devastating.

When it comes to siblings, the risks of pregnancy and emotional harm, as well as legal consequences, are especially high. Such a relationship would isolate them from healthy social interactions and damage their familial ties irreparably.

Incestuous fantasies may have a place in fiction or role-playing, but in reality, they are a grave violation of ethical, moral, and legal norms. It is crucial to recognize the severity of this issue and refrain from engaging in such behavior.

Do you actually know that any of this is true, or is this just personal speculation or conviction? I'm not being dismissive, but unless these statements are backed up by studies and data they don't count for much.

My own personal speculation, which isn't based on anything either, is that none of this MUST be the case. It may be the case often, but probably not all the time. Many 25 year old men are not in a vulnerable stage of their lives. They're fully formed adult men, capable of making their own decisions.

My comment was made for the purpose of genuine inquiry, not to provoke and troll.

 

[SimonDoom]

I think that, where you go wrong, is in assuming that any random, healthy 25 year old man would want to have sex with their mother. I assume that those are outliers; not healthy and sane people.

I'm not the one assuming. I'm wondering. I'm questioning people's assumptions. It certainly seems possible to me that completely healthy adult people could enter incestuous relationships. The people I write about in my stories are not insane. They're fictional, and not based on anyone I know, but I can at least imagine people somewhat like them doing things somewhat like what they do.

I'm no expert on the subject. I've read some articles about adult incest relationships. They sound odd, but in some cases the parties to them do not sound insane or clinically disordered. People do a lot of strange things, and merely doing strange things often is not evidence by itself of a disorder.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm not the one assuming. I'm wondering. I'm questioning people's assumptions. It certainly seems possible to me that completely healthy adult people could enter incestuous relationships. The people I write about in my stories are not insane. They're fictional, and not based on anyone I know, but I can at least imagine people somewhat like them doing things somewhat like what they do.

I'm no expert on the subject. I've read some articles about adult incest relationships. They sound odd, but in some cases the parties to them do not sound insane or clinically disordered. People do a lot of strange things, and merely doing strange things often is not evidence by itself of a disorder.

You question everything because all you ever do is waffle. You can never pick a side, never want to say anything is wrong, even though it would just be your opinion based on your feelings and that's what most of us are doing here. We can only say for ourselves. Its like you're afraid to break rank with a faction and get crap from another.

Stop trying to wax philosophical and just make a decision.

 

[lovecraft68]

How can a long-term relationship that prevents your child from finding love and starting a family of their own appear normal to you?

It is possible for sexual attraction to exist between relatives, particularly when they are physically attractive, but acting upon those desires is not normal or acceptable. Ultimately, it is the responsibility of the parent to act as the responsible adult and establish clear boundaries while disregarding their own impulses.

As a sane parent, the top priority should always be the well-being of their children, and giving in to personal desires is inconceivable.

Westermarck theory states as early as the womb we're preconditioned to not see family in a sexual light
Genetic sexual attraction mostly happens in cases where family members are separated for years for whatever reason and they weren't raised as family. For some reason there can be a stronger than normal sexual attraction between those people.

But I still feel even if you're a parent, say a father, estranged for years from your daughter, if you know that's your daughter, then you should know better. Now these incidents you hear of where somehow they don't know who they are, and something happens first? Now we're straying into muddier waters, but the odds of that-outside of stories here-are pretty slim.

I have two daughters and although taboo has always been a turn on for me when it came to siblings or mom/son I could never watch a vid, read, or write a story involving father/daughter not only because it would be weird to me having girls, but what if they ever found them? I' never want them or anyone else to think I ever thought that way.

So here I am just from a fictional sense thinking its wrong. Now admittedly when they were older and both out on their own I did get over that and wrote a few with the same mentality I do with mom son...I don't want my mother, but the idea "A" mother would have sex with "A" son in a purely fantasy sense is a turn on in the don't do this at home sense same way NC is for many. My daughters know of my horror writing, which is still a bit awkward because there's some hardcore erotic content in it, but they have no idea about lit or the taboo for sale pen name.

 

[lovecraft68]

Talk about timing, this is from my contest entry I'm doing a final pass on. Mother/son

“Hon, I suppose I could allow my mind to consider a young man getting some confused feelings about his mother. In no way can I see a mother getting that urge for her own son. We’re here to raise and love and nurture you, not hurt you.”

This is the tone of most of my taboo work, conflict, they know they're not supposed to.

 

[Zootonius]

In incest fiction, I view it as akin to some atomic force. The repulsive force is nearly impossible to break. But if it is broken, interesting things can happen.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

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[theWollstonecraftWoman]

You're too kind to share that for her.

She has shared it here herself. But your right, I shouldn't have.

 

[Duleigh]

It appears, author, you’ve never been in an incestuous relationship yourself

My response would be "What part of the word fiction are you having problems with?" However I'm learning the art of ignoring such remarks.

I grew up in a very small village populated by families that had planted roots in that village in the very early years of the 19th century. One warm summer evening I was sitting on the front porch with my fiancé and her folks, we were drinking Schaefer beer and chatting, it's what you do in Small Town America in 1974. Just then a village character, a cousin of mine, came driving up the road and we both waved at George as his truck clattered by. I turned to my fiancé and said, "Do you know my cousin George?"

She said, "Yeah, he's my cousin."

We stared at each other in shock, and I still remember her mother laughing her ass off, just howling, "You didn't know?" and her dad just muttering "Couple a dumbshits."

We had to trace history back nearly 4 generations to find a common ancestor which made us 12th cousins or something like that, but for a brief moment we both thought we were in an incestuous relationship, and we both admitted that it was a bit of a turn on

 

[MillieDynamite]

She has shared it here herself. But your right, I shouldn't have.

Yes, you shouldn't have. But you did, and I'm not going into here again.

 

[alohadave]

My response would be "What part of the word fiction are you having problems with?" However I'm learning the art of ignoring such remarks.

I grew up in a very small village populated by families that had planted roots in that village in the very early years of the 19th century. One warm summer evening I was sitting on the front porch with my fiancé and her folks, we were drinking Schaefer beer and chatting, it's what you do in Small Town America in 1974. Just then a village character, a cousin of mine, came driving up the road and we both waved at George as his truck clattered by. I turned to my fiancé and said, "Do you know my cousin George?"

She said, "Yeah, he's my cousin."

We stared at each other in shock, and I still remember her mother laughing her ass off, just howling, "You didn't know?" and her dad just muttering "Couple a dumbshits."

We had to trace history back nearly 4 generations to find a common ancestor which made us 12th cousins or something like that, but for a brief moment we both thought we were in an incestuous relationship, and we both admitted that it was a bit of a turn on

My grandparents are from rural Pennsylvania and they are 2nd cousins.

It's very common in small towns. I looked in the cemetery listings for the town when I was doing genealogical research and there are a lot of people with my last name for the size of the town.

 

[SimonDoom]

But I still feel even if you're a parent, say a father, estranged for years from your daughter, if you know that's your daughter, then you should know better.

Please understand, I don't disagree with this at all, or with what Willtolive said as a moral matter. We should have moral standards, and sometimes it's good to follow moral rules even if you think you can make a plausible case that "Well, in our case, I think we could make this work." The idea of taking the risk of damaging one's child in this way is, to me, unthinkable. It's a hard line, when it comes to real world choices.

So all my blathering is mostly theoretical. I think it's useful from the standpoint of fiction, because fiction, especially erotic fantasy fiction, doesn't have to confine itself to statistical norms. This is one place where it's fine and even GOOD to be deviant. I imagine there probably are some adult consensual incestuous relationships where things turn out OK, just because I tend to think that with human affairs almost everything is at least possible and there's probably an example somewhere of somebody who's done just about everything. I think it's OK to write erotic stories with weird outliers in mind.

 

[holliday1960]

Westermarck theory states as early as the womb we're preconditioned to not see family in a sexual light
Genetic sexual attraction mostly happens in cases where family members are separated for years for whatever reason and they weren't raised as family. For some reason there can be a stronger than normal sexual attraction between those people.

But I still feel even if you're a parent, say a father, estranged for years from your daughter, if you know that's your daughter, then you should know better. Now these incidents you hear of where somehow they don't know who they are, and something happens first? Now we're straying into muddier waters, but the odds of that-outside of stories here-are pretty slim.

I have two daughters and although taboo has always been a turn on for me when it came to siblings or mom/son I could never watch a vid, read, or write a story involving father/daughter not only because it would be weird to me having girls, but what if they ever found them? I' never want them or anyone else to think I ever thought that way.

So here I am just from a fictional sense thinking its wrong. Now admittedly when they were older and both out on their own I did get over that and wrote a few with the same mentality I do with mom son...I don't want my mother, but the idea "A" mother would have sex with "A" son in a purely fantasy sense is a turn on in the don't do this at home sense same way NC is for many. My daughters know of my horror writing, which is still a bit awkward because there's some hardcore erotic content in it, but they have no idea about lit or the taboo for sale pen name.

I call BS on this. It's nothing more than an opinion. Theory isn't fact. Statistics aren't even reliable because you cannot poll an entire population and expect there to be 100% honesty because there are the hypocrits whose speeches don't match their actions. Every family is different; every situation has a different resolve. Call it whatever you like, your idea of morality isn't mine so don't try to speak for the masses because you can't.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I call BS on this. It's nothing more than an opinion. Theory isn't fact. Statistics aren't even reliable because you cannot poll an entire population and expect there to be 100% honesty because there are the hypocrits whose speeches don't match their actions. Every family is different; every situation has a different resolve. Call it whatever you like, your idea of morality isn't mine so don't try to speak for the masses because you can't.

Every deviation has its supporters, every kink has devotees, and every law has its breakers. The argument is always the same. At some point, there are hard lines that shouldn't be crossed. But those who do always spout what you just did.

 

[holliday1960]

Every deviation has its supporters, every kink has devotees, and every law has its breakers. The argument is always the same. At some point, there are hard lines that shouldn't be crossed. But those who do always spout what you just did.

Let me be clear, this isn't a 'kink' and I'm not a follower of ANYTHING. You haven't walked in my shoes, nor I in yours. Your morality isn't mine.

 

[MillieDynamite]

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[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Incest is a deviation and a kink. Incest is also considered aberrant behavior.

Let me be clear, this isn't a 'kink' and I'm not a follower of ANYTHING. You haven't walked in my shoes, nor I in yours. Your morality isn't mine.

 

[holliday1960]

Incest is a deviation and a kink. Incest is also considered aberrant behavior.

One opinion among many.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

One opinion among many.

The majority opinion among world governments. This makes your kink, which you say isn't a kink, a dangerous habit to explore.

 

[holliday1960]

Let me be clear, as stated by someone else, I have experience with incest. It wasn't wanted, pleasant, or acceptable. The morality of it isn't up for debate. It's rape, even if you are the father, mother, sister, or brother when the other person doesn't want it. If you seduce your own child, it's wrong. If you don't get it, you don't get it. If you have enjoyed the encounter at the time, has nothing to do with the morality and right or wrong of a thing.

I don't wish to walk in your shoes, and you certainly don't want to have walked in mine. Believe me, on this, you don't want to have to happen to you what happened to me. And should you want to do to someone what was done to me, your one sick fuck.

I've heard your history before, Millie and I'm not unsympathetic to you or your situation. I dont wish to discuss my life experiences here. It remains that you or no one else has the right to judge me or my morals. Calling me a sick fuck is inappropriate to say the least. I havent insulted you nor did I initiate a confrontation with you. I'm sorry you have been the object of abuse. My opinions are my own. I'm not your therapist. I hope you recover enough someday to see that I have rights too.

 

[holliday1960]

The majority opinion among world governments. This makes your kink, which you say isn't a kink, a dangerous habit to explore.

Yes, you are right. It's dangerous when YOU or any government attempts to control what I think.

 

[MillieDynamite]

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[yowser]

More powerful than a speeding locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, look up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane, it's a holliday1960. And yet, he's just a man, humble, shy, a recluse who doesn't allow comments or voting, so afraid of what others think he can't bear to know.

That was quite unnecessary.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Yes, you are right. It's dangerous when YOU or any government attempts to control what I think.

Please, I don't require you to reference me in all caps. In fact, I don't require you to respond to my comments. You don't need to abate your thinking, modify your opinions, or attempt to conform to societal norms. Clearly, you can be as kinky as you wish. You can even deny your kink.