Looking at the US gun law debate another way...

[Ldy_Sea]

Mass shootings in the US have sharply escalated ever since Wayne LaPierre took over the NRA. Cause and effect?

The number of sgun owners in teh US has been steadilyi increasing as total shooting deaths have decreased since Wayne LaPierre took over the NRA.

Cause and effect?'

Two documents proving my point from the U.S. Department of Justice,
Bureau of Justice Statistics.

http://www.infowars.com/fbi-far-more-murders-committed-with-knives-than-assault-rifles/

In case Tl;DR

Overall the number of murders involving guns has plunged from 8,855 in 2012 to 8,454 in 2013 and now 8,124 in 2014, following a significant decline in gun-related violent crimes since the mid-1990s.


the recent study by the University of Chicago Crime Lab which revealed that AR-15s and AK-47s are unpopular amongst criminals.

AR-15s are used far less often in murders than shotguns

conservatively less – and likely much less – than four percent of murders were committed using AR-15s, AK-47s and other semi-automatic long arms.
This figure is a decrease from 2013.

out of 11,961 murders performed within the U.S. in 2014, 660 were committed unarmed, 1,567 were committed with knives and only 248 murders were known to have been committed using rifles of any type, including single-shot long arms and “assault rifles”

There's a chart on the top right of page 27 of this PDF that shows a sharp and steady declined of gun deaths from 1995 through 2008, which as shown above has continued.


Wanna try again?

 

[phrodeau]

Yes, the number of murders from rifles and long guns is small compared to the number of murders from semi-automatic handguns, which in 2014 was far and away the most-used murder weapon.

Got any solutions, then?

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Yes, the number of murders from rifles and long guns is small compared to the number of murders from semi-automatic handguns, which in 2014 was far and away the most-used murder weapon.

Got any solutions, then?

Yes a simple one. More guns. Gun ownership has been steadily increasing since the mid 90's and murders have been going done, all violent crimes have been going down.

Criminals want easy targets. Why do you thing no mass shootings happen in police stations or gun shops? They happen where people are disarmed by law.

If you were a criminal which one of these stores would you rob?

http://conservativepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/dhbswuikionmg8hpf971.jpg

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t508/johnfra80537/Front%20Range%20Airsoft/gun_sign_zpsb2abbf05.jpg

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes, the number of murders from rifles and long guns is small compared to the number of murders from semi-automatic handguns, which in 2014 was far and away the most-used murder weapon.

Got any solutions, then?

I know, BAN PISTOL GRIPS ON RIFLES!!

LOL

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Yes, the number of murders from rifles and long guns is small compared to the number of murders from semi-automatic handguns, which in 2014 was far and away the most-used murder weapon.

Got any solutions, then?

we need to ban your kind...then deport your kind to Venezuelan

 

[lickslits]

Maybe one day all of you loony yanks will shoot the fuck out of each other with your assault weapons, and maybe even wipe yourselves out. Then at least the indians will get their lands back.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Yes, the number of murders from rifles and long guns is small compared to the number of murders from semi-automatic handguns, which in 2014 was far and away the most-used murder weapon.

Got any solutions, then?

do ass-hat fucktard, do you blame cars for a death when a drunk driver gets into an accident?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Maybe one day all of you loony yanks will shoot the fuck out of each other with your assault weapons, and maybe even wipe yourselves out. Then at least the indians will get their lands back.

please check in to your local hospital

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Maybe one day all of you loony yanks will shoot the fuck out of each other with your assault weapons, and maybe even wipe yourselves out. Then at least the indians will get their lands back.

According to a study just released by the CDC

289 people have been killed in the last 10 years in mass shootings. 65,000 people a year are killed in bicycle accidents, and another 515,000 are hospitalized. Maybe we should ban bikes.

 

[lickslits]

According to a study just released by the CDC

289 people have been killed in the last 10 years in mass shootings. 65,000 people a year are killed in bicycle accidents, and another 515,000 are hospitalized. Maybe we should ban bikes.

As silly a response as my post.
You yanks really have your geads in the sand, all you do is make excuses when there s no logical reason to sell assault rifles to the general public.
Dont give me that crap that it is people who kill, not guns.
You are unfortunately terminally stupid with your attitude lf self denial.

 

[Hard_Rom]

As silly a response as my post.
You yanks really have your geads in the sand, all you do is make excuses when there s no logical reason to sell assault rifles to the general public.
Dont give me that crap that it is people who kill, not guns.
You are unfortunately terminally stupid with your attitude lf self denial.

Guns don't kill Americans. Americans kill Americans. Ban Americans.

You'll get used to the Yank attitude. They equate guns with hammers, power tools, bicycles and backyard pools.

Don't ask me, that's just the way they are.

They also allow Nazis and KKK to march through their neighbourhoods. That could be why.

 

[BaritoneTele]

As silly a response as my post.
You yanks really have your geads in the sand, all you do is make excuses when there s no logical reason to sell assault rifles to the general public.

Except for the fact that the term 'assault rifle' is a propaganda term made up to fool the ignorant who don't know what the hell an 'assault rifle' is.

Can you tell me why 'assault' rifles (which account for a whopping less than 1% of gun crimes in the US) should be banned over all the other semi automatic 'hunting' rifles that fire the same or even bigger bullets just as fast as an AR-15??

Because they are scary looking???

That's really all you've got......

Dont give me that crap that it is people who kill, not guns.

Why not? put an AR-15 locked loaded, safety off and set it on a table.

It won't hurt anyone, it won't go off, it's not going to do a fucking thing.

You are unfortunately terminally stupid with your attitude lf self denial.

You're just jealous

 

[DooleyDarter]

Maybe one day all of you loony yanks will shoot the fuck out of each other with your assault weapons, and maybe even wipe yourselves out. Then at least the indians will get their lands back.

Sounds like a great plan until you silly limeys get in over your head again and have to have us bail you out, if we kill all of each other, you will be fucked up the ole Hershey Highway.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

only retards want to ban guns ... lets ban retards


1st group to deport would be the obama slaves!

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

only retards want to ban guns ... lets ban retards


1st group to deport would be the obama slaves!

Only slaves were freed 100 years ago. People who want to ban gins are people who want bodies & minds to stay alive... You don't realize it, since you lack the latter.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Only slaves were freed 100 years ago. People who want to ban gins are people who want bodies & minds to stay alive... You don't realize it, since you lack the latter.

Honduras All guns banned. Highest per capita firearm homicide rate in the world.

Switzerland Highest Per capita rate of gun ownership in the world. Lowest murder rate in the world.

Chicago Strictest gun laws in the country. Highest rate of gun murders in the US.


Why is there never a mass shooting in a gun store, police station, NRA rally?

Why are all Mass shootings in places where guns are not allowed either by state law or by the owners request?

CDC completed a study and found 98% of criminals hate Rifles, especially AR's and AK's too hard to conceal, ammo is more expensive, they prefer handguns.

65,000 people are killed and 515,000 injured in bicycle accidents in the US every year. In 10 years there have been 289 people murdered with assault weapons. Guess which one everyone wants to ban?

If you wnat people to stay alive give them guns, or there will be more shootings like Paris, Orlando Nightclubs, Schools, and other places where guns are banned.

 

[kimber22]

Yes we have more guns and more people are killed by guns. How about total murder rates? wouldn't that be a more accurate reflection of how violent a society is?

The US with a population of about 350 Million has a Murder Rate of 3.8 people per 100,000 citizens. The EU with a population of 745 Million (well less now that Britain voted for freedom) has a murder rate of 2.1 per 100,000 citizens.

So that's 1.7 more people murdered in the US for every 100K citizens than in the EU. Sociologists attribute that to the difference in the diversity of the populations. The EU is about 14% non white. The US is about 30% non white.
and further blah blah....

LOL, hihihi --- where you get these numbers from? That can be only the fantasy numbers of the NRA... 2.1 per 100.000? hihihi Give me the link! I really wanna know where that number comes from *höhöhhö^^^^*
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in AUT, wie have 8 Mio ppl, and around 5-10 shootings a year (MAXIMUM), and, over the last 10 years around 1-2 dead a year (MAXIMUM) [we have 96-98% "Aufklärungsquote" / percentage of cases solved in murder]
so, 2.1 per 100.000 --> that is 21 in 1 mio, and in 8 mio approx 100+.... höhöhöhöhö hihi höhö Let me know where you got that number from....

I'm sure, even our Police wanna know where we lost all our 100+ dead bodies a year....höhöhöhöh ^^

No. that's complete nonsense!

 

[Ldy_Sea]

LOL, hihihi --- where you get these numbers from? That can be only the fantasy numbers of the NRA... 2.1 per 100.000? hihihi Give me the link! I really wanna know where that number comes from *höhöhhö^^^^*
--

in AUT, wie have 8 Mio ppl, and around 5-10 shootings a year (MAXIMUM), and, over the last 10 years around 1-2 dead a year (MAXIMUM) [we have 96-98% "Aufklärungsquote" / percentage of cases solved in murder]
so, 2.1 per 100.000 --> that is 21 in 1 mio, and in 8 mio approx 100+.... höhöhöhöhö hihi höhö Let me know where you got that number from....

I'm sure, even our Police wanna know where we lost all our 100+ dead bodies a year....höhöhöhöh ^^

No. that's complete nonsense!

And what language are you using?

The 2.1 per 100K comes from an article in the Daily Telegraph, not the NRA.

SO call it nonsense but it's fact and not from the Gun Lobby but a European news source.

Europe has the lowest homicide rate of any region, with 2.1 homicide deaths per 100,000 people.

The rest of that is indecipherable to me but the number is fact.

 

[kimber22]

And what language are you using?
The 2.1 per 100K comes from an article in the Daily Telegraph, not the NRA.
SO call it nonsense but it's fact and not from the Gun Lobby but a European news source.
The rest of that is indecipherable to me but the number is fact.

Oh, sorry, my English is not so good. I also not know what "indecipherable" means... I think it means something like you didn't read the article you're referring to or something..
Because if you HAD read the article, you would have noticed that they put "Europe" and "Russia" together in the article... you know? Europe and Russia, that's a difference, you know? (I attached your ominous 2.1.. ^^)

So, for the future, next time, I suggest you READ the article first, okay? And if you don't understand it, I'll be happy to give you all the time you need until you have deciphered it...

hihi

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Oh, sorry, my English is not so good. I also not know what "indecipherable" means... I think it means something like you didn't read the article you're referring to or something..
Because if you HAD read the article, you would have noticed that they put "Europe" and "Russia" together in the article... you know? Europe and Russia, that's a difference, you know? (I attached your ominous 2.1.. ^^)

So, for the future, next time, I suggest you READ the article first, okay? And if you don't understand it, I'll be happy to give you all the time you need until you have deciphered it...

hihi

I don't think the article put "Europe" and "Russia" together. I think Geography did that.

Russia borders Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Belarus and Ukraine. All European countries. If Russia is not European why is it referred to as Eastern Europe? I guess in your world Eastern Europe is not part of Europe.

I'll be happy to give you all the time you need to come up with more insults since that's all you can do.

 

[about_average]

Again, you said the NRA was "founded to defend gun rights". That's patently false. They were leaders in passing more restrictive gun laws.

According to??

According to The American Rifleman which, if I'm not mistaken, is an official publication of the NRA.

to show you that the purpose of the NRA does include marksmanship training. Which you still deny.

Quote where I denied that marksmanship is part of their program. I said it was minor because it's not prominent in their publicity.

That, or I guess you must think they just have a really crappy website since there's nothing on the first page about something so important to them. If it were one of their primary reasons for existence they'd have something about it on their first page. Kinda like car manufactures, to use your example, having new cars, their primary reason for existence, on the first page of their websites.

Funny how you claim I deny that the NRA supports marksmanship all the while denying that you claimed the NRA was "founded to defend second amendment rights" when in fact they were founded to promote marksmanship.

It really calls in to question all your other "facts" when you post such BS. Reminds me of the person who doubled down on the reason for Paul Revere's ride was to warn the British.

And yet you ignore the fact that even the NRA says:
"Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis"

But yeah, it was "founded to defend gun rights".

 

[Ldy_Sea]

According to The American Rifleman which, if I'm not mistaken, is an official publication of the NRA.

Quote where I denied that marksmanship is part of their program. I said it was minor because it's not prominent in their publicity.

That, or I guess you must think they just have a really crappy website since there's nothing on the first page about something so important to them. If it were one of their primary reasons for existence they'd have something about it on their first page. Kinda like car manufactures, to use your example, having new cars, their primary reason for existence, on the first page of their websites.

Funny how you claim I deny that the NRA supports marksmanship all the while denying that you claimed the NRA was "founded to defend second amendment rights" when in fact they were founded to promote marksmanship.

It really calls in to question all your other "facts" when you post such BS. Reminds me of the person who doubled down on the reason for Paul Revere's ride was to warn the British.

And yet you ignore the fact that even the NRA says:
"Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis"

But yeah, it was "founded to defend gun rights".

I never denied that one of the reasons the NRA was founded was to promote marksmanship. I even said that the fact that southern troops were better shots than federal troops was a big reason for the founding.

I also said that from day one they fought for the ri9ghts of the black man and the red man to keep and bear arms. Both are true.

Marksmanship is part of the primary reason the NRA was founded and finding the information is so easy it takes all of 5 seconds.

I am a trained NRA instructor and I get emails several times a week about NRA training classes.

YOu ar ethe one in denial if you think the only reason they were founded was to promote marksmanship. If that was true why is the NRA called the Oldest Civil Rights groupd continously in operation in the US. Maybe because they defended Civil rights as well as promoting marksmanship.

 

[phrodeau]

http://americablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/wayne-lapierre-nra-featured.jpghttp://www.mediaite.com/online/ny-papers-blast-nra-vice-presidents-bizarre-rant-wayne-lapierre-is-the-craziest-man-on-earth/

Liberal media outlets aren’t the only ones slamming Wayne LaPierre‘s “bizarre” press conference on gun control Friday afternoon: after several minutes suggesting the need for more guns, conservative papers are criticizing the NRA vice president as well.

The New York Post, owned by conservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch, ran the headline “Gun Nut: NRA Loon In Bizarre Rant Over Newtown.” The New York Daily News calls LaPierre a “vile NRA nut” and suggests he might be the “craziest man on earth.”

Each of the papers’ websites got in on the action as well. The front page of the Post’s website suggests the NRA “misfires” and “shoots itself in the foot with LaPierre’s statements.” The Daily News website calls him “delusion” and says the push for more guns is a “doomsday proposal.”

 

[Ldy_Sea]

http://americablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/wayne-lapierre-nra-featured.jpghttp://www.mediaite.com/online/ny-papers-blast-nra-vice-presidents-bizarre-rant-wayne-lapierre-is-the-craziest-man-on-earth/

No one in the US with any intelligence takes either of those papers seriously. Hell the NY post was considered a rag when I was growing up in NY in the 1970's and the Daily News was a respectable paper at one time but now it's not better than the National Enquirer.

How is calling someone names considered Journalism. Journalism is supposed to be unbiased and report facts, not call people loons or show bias in reporting. The only part of the paper that should contain any bias is the Editorial, and Op-Ed pages.

There was a time when these papers would allow opposing views to be printed, now they are just shills and mouthpieces for the left, yes that includes the Post.

Both papers have been anti-gun for decades Just like the NY Times which printed an article about how banning assault weapons for 10 years 1994-2004 had no effect on crime rates. At least the Old Gray Lady hos some honest reporting despote their anti gun left leaning bias.


Also the FBI crime reports have shown that violent crime in the US has been falling for 20 years but gun sales were increasing during that time. Too bad facts don't stand in teh way of those papers ability to tell a good story.

 

[phrodeau]

So you approve of what LaPierre has done?