Loving wives - WTF, or is it me or them?

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

I'm not sure this is necessarily a consequence of cuck stories generating those feelings.

I'm not doubting that the people who have those feelings already had them, or at least the disposition for them, before reading the cuck stories on here. But I feel like they wouldn't have been brave enough to SHARE their fantasies unless being put into an appropriate state of mind by seeing it's okay to post sadistic cuckold stuff.

 

[lovecraft68]

I've been here going on 16 years. When I first came here people warned new authors that LW was a rough category as far as trolls.

16 years ago, and its steadily gotten worse-although the last four or five years seems to have really amped up the hate-so I'll put that history, add it to the countless threads like this one that basically say 'wtf' with LW, add to it some of the how the fuck did this story get posted, threads because they are nothing but violent, and I will put that against the 'experts' who have been here for a hot minute who think they know better.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

I've been here going on 16 years. When I first came here people warned new authors that LW was a rough category as far as trolls.

16 years ago, and its steadily gotten worse-although the last four or five years seems to have really amped up the hate-so I'll put that history, add it to the countless threads like this one that basically say 'wtf' with LW, add to it some of the how the fuck did this story get posted, threads because they are nothing but violent, and I will put that against the 'experts' who have been here for a hot minute who think they know better.

I fail to see your point. I don't need to be a history major to understand how Nazi Germany happened. Just like I don't need to have been here for sixteen years to understand why people TODAY one-bomb stories they don't like.

And honestly? If what LW is today represents an "amped-up" version of how it was sixteen years ago,... it really can't have been that bad when you, supposedly, first heard about how "rough" the category was.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I dunno, I’d think they might want to listen to people that have more than, what, four stories in the category over that sixteen years, the newest of which is from years ago? If the question was about I/T, sure, you’re the go-to guy around these parts. But LW? You consistently prove that you don’t know shit about shit, at least as regards the category now.

ETA: hell, if we’re dickwaving here, I have more comments on a single story in LW than all yours in the category combined, and it came out AFTER the most recent of them. I’ve also written a far more varied slate of stories in there, from cuckolding all the way to hard burn, so… yeah. Longevity != expertise.

 

[Britva415]

I'm not doubting that the people who have those feelings already had them, or at least the disposition for them, before reading the cuck stories on here. But I feel like they wouldn't have been brave enough to SHARE their fantasies unless being put into an appropriate state of mind by seeing it's okay to post sadistic cuckold stuff.

Good point

 

[RetroFan]

In an odd way, it's kind of impressive how intently some people in the category read the stories to identify any wimps or simps, or to find any behaviour that could be construed as 'cuckold'.

For example in one of my LW stories the narrating husband has long suspected his wife is having an affair, and this is confirmed when he hides in the closet and watches his wife and her lover. However having had his suspicions confirmed, he realizes he is unsure of what he would do if he actually found out his wife was an adulteress and so does nothing at this point. This scene received much criticism, apparently the narrator's conduct is cuckold, which didn't seem to fit the criteria, but oh well.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Yeah, I've only been posting stories to LitE for four years, and I'm an admittedly shitty author. But out of my 64 stories, over half of them are in Loving Wives. And they are NOT all swinger, sharing, cuckold, or whatever the fuck the judgmental types want to call it. I've tried writing on a variety of topics to test the waters of their reactions.

The one thing I HAVE discovered with my many stories, combined with some of the comments in various AH forum threads, is that there's at least one or two AUTHORS who are responsible for that LW trolling shitshow via their alt IDs! There's even one named author who shamelessly admitted to posting shitty comments without reading the whole story, merely "skimming it"!

So, it seems to me that it's a "self-fulfilling prophecy" that LW is bad place, when there are those here who are focused on making it worse! Whether its posting comments to a story calling them "cuckolds, wimps, sluts, and whores", 1-bombing, or even trying your best to keep better stories out of there, if you're not trying to make it a better place, why disparage those of us who are willing to try making it better? Anyone who does that is no better than the trolls they criticize in LW!

 

[Gamblnluck]

My worst rated story is about 2.7 or so. It was a sequel to a BTB story where I felt the wife was portrayed as mentally ill. I told the sequel as her response to the husband's actions from her viewpoint as she countered his burn.
The crux of my story was the husband gave her worthless/obsolete patents in their divorce, then began making a fortune on the revised ones he;d been working on. She took that away. I got a variety of comments, mostly than her actions were unfair because she was after all a cheating bitch.
There are many successful stories in LW that are not full on BTB stories. Even ones lately. But they are NOT ones where the husband is shown complete disrespect and his response is 'yes dear'. There are some where they couple reconciles that get decent reviews, BUT the plot must be plausible.

 

[Gamblnluck]

Authors here always use that 'one-bomb' excuse if his or her story was not well received. Often it is because the story sucks or it offends the reader's sensibility of right and wrong. I have seen many 'cuck' stories that still get in the mid 3 area. They are well written. BUT the husband is not a downtrodden, abused, disrespected, idiot.
They are generally a story where the man is not happy with what his wife has done but he comes to accept her behavior.
He accepts it not because he is a small dicked man with no self respect, but because he honestly loves his spouse. She convinces him that he is better off with her than without and they truly can have a future of mutual love and respect.
Many of the better received stories are not where there is violence etc. It is just the man (or even woman) does not accept the disrespect shoved down his or her throat. And often if you read, RESPECT is the main issue, not just the cheating. Although if your spouse cheats it is disrespectful. It is a shattering of trust that breaks the marriage.
Try writing a story like that and see if your score does not rise dramatically. Of course some comments will still tell you what a moron you are for writing it, but those will be a tiny minority. So tiny as can be disregarded.

 

[Gamblnluck]

Humiliation is a kink, and an alarming number of people share it. Both men and women. A regular customer paid me to humiliate him back in the day. I found it quite distasteful to do so, but he was paying. I had others who weren't regulars that hired me to humiliate them. So, when they are humiliated, they are the flip side of the sadist, the masochist. And that's not even counting the pain freaks, the actual sadistic bastards, and such out there. Those are all kinks.

YES, But a story like that will NOT do well in LW. Put it in fetish or bdsm. You will get a completely different response to the same story.

 

[lovecraft68]

This pretty much sums up the entire voting system everywhere.

You're right to a point. I think the difference is in most categories it's fairly easy to give the majority of the readership what they want and just as easy to come up with something that would piss most off. In LW, the factions now have sub factions and it's like walking through a minefield to attempt to not set off any of them.

 

[Gamblnluck]

From my understanding (at least for the moment), the "hard cuck" stories are not just about humiliation, but more like the wife sexually torturing her husband. I mean like BDSM-style emotionally BEATING the SHIT out of him.

Not at all. Is the total disregard of the man's feelings. Often the woman says, 'but you love it, don;t protest. You cock got hard. You loved having me lock your cock away in a cage and only let it out when I screw another man. You are a cuck, not a man so accept it. Sometimes the wife just says verbally she loves her husband but her actions and the tone of the story says differently. Those stories are not gonna be accepted either.

 

[Gamblnluck]

I've noticed lately that the tone and number of negative comments in LW has been changing toward those fun sharing stories. There are not as many hateful comments, and the ratings are overall climbing. The audience in LW is changing.

I think the stories are changing. I used to read most of them everyday. Now I might read one or two. I've got to the point where even if the title and description are good, I skim to to see if it is anything I want to go back and read in depth. Too often it is not.

 

[lovecraft68]

I dunno, I’d think they might want to listen to people that have more than, what, four stories in the category over that sixteen years, the newest of which is from years ago? If the question was about I/T, sure, you’re the go-to guy around these parts. But LW? You consistently prove that you don’t know shit about shit, at least as regards the category now.

ETA: hell, if we’re dickwaving here, I have more comments on a single story in LW than all yours in the category combined, and it came out AFTER the most recent of them. I’ve also written a far more varied slate of stories in there, from cuckolding all the way to hard burn, so… yeah. Longevity != expertise.

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Someone has their hair up.

Let me tell you one thing I've learned here, and probably within the first couple of years.

Success here is meaningless. H's, W's, number of comments, followers, whatever stat you want to toss, means the shit you think you know. It's a free site, everything is subjective to the nth degree and there is no competition, as in someone has to decide who to give a five to because they can give one to anybody.

I don't consider myself the "Go to" for any category here. I've done well in some areas, but unlike someone her-not you- I don't think I should be teaching a class on it. You, however, think you're the LW whisperer.

In the meantime, you miss the entire point. We're not talking about you-you do more than enough of that-the topic is the category as a whole. To repeat what I said, I don't see any "LW appreciation threads" here. I see a slew of "WTF with that place" threads and "How the hell does this get through" threads on ultra violent BTB stories. I know those aren't your thing, but its that crowd of incels, cold insecure males, moralists, and whatever other hate slinging whack jobs over there that are dominating the category and trashing it for the people who try.

Because I've always said there's some decent folks over there trying to write good stories and good readers trying to enjoy them, but they've been overrun by loons. The hazard of an anyone can comment anon site which is what I blame it on because my Hot wife stories do okay in the market-and other authors I know flat out light it up- because the only people buying them are the ones that like them, as opposed to here where anyone can show up and sound off. That's the point, and it's been like this for as long as I've been here and its not getting better because people themselves are crazier than ever these days.

But congrats on the resume, its cute.

 

[NoTalentHack]

Someone has their hair up.

Let me tell you one thing I've learned here, and probably within the first couple of years.

Success here is meaningless. H's, W's, number of comments, followers, whatever stat you want to toss, means the shit you think you know. It's a free site, everything is subjective to the nth degree and there is no competition, as in someone has to decide who to give a five to because they can give one to anybody.

I don't consider myself the "Go to" for any category here. I've done well in some areas, but unlike someone her-not you- I don't think I should be teaching a class on it. You, however, think you're the LW whisperer.

In the meantime, you miss the entire point. We're not talking about you-you do more than enough of that-the topic is the category as a whole. To repeat what I said, I don't see any "LW appreciation threads" here. I see a slew of "WTF with that place" threads and "How the hell does this get through" threads on ultra violent BTB stories. I know those aren't your thing, but its that crowd of incels, cold insecure males, moralists, and whatever other hate slinging whack jobs over there that are dominating the category and trashing it for the people who try.

Because I've always said there's some decent folks over there trying to write good stories and good readers trying to enjoy them, but they've been overrun by loons. The hazard of an anyone can comment anon site which is what I blame it on because my Hot wife stories do okay in the market-and other authors I know flat out light it up- because the only people buying them are the ones that like them, as opposed to here where anyone can show up and sound off. That's the point, and it's been like this for as long as I've been here and its not getting better because people themselves are crazier than ever these days.

But congrats on the resume, its cute.

LOL it takes a lot more than your passive aggressive high school bullshit to get my hair up, LC. Mostly, I'm just telling the folks that might pay attention to you that you don't know a damn thing about what you're talking about re: LW. But please, keep on with your wall of text about how none of this is important, and it means nothing, and... ah, you know. Kinda funny from the guy that started the milestone thread.

 

[Belegon]

Alternatively, is it just that Loving Wives has more self-appointed gatekeepers about what is acceptable than it did a year ago?

Loving Wives has always been a danger zone. I've never submitted there, but if I did, I would be expecting nastiness.

 

[LetsMisBehave]

Thank you for the many helpful comments and the interesting general discussion of Loving Wives.
I can certainly understand those who are annoyed because it relies too much on having read ten other stories to make sense of it. If I'd known when I started that I was going to write an interconnected group of stories, I would have placed it in Novels and Novellas. Still, I expected the reaction to have been just to ignore it or mark it as a two or three.

I will attempt to simplify some of the draft stories I have on the go and reduce the number of cross-references to past events - one noodle incident at most.

I now comprehend why I annoyed some readers more than I expected or intended to. The description and the name would have led readers to expect a punish the bitch story, and what they got felt like bait and switch. While I believed that I was writing about someone whose life is spiralling out of control (losing their fiance, feeling that they have to leave their home and job, alienating her friends and thinking of herself as a whore) I could have made that clearer and leaving her with the last word in the break up scene was a mistake considering the likely readership.

 

[lc69hunter]

Not at all. Is the total disregard of the man's feelings. Often the woman says, 'but you love it, don;t protest. You cock got hard. You loved having me lock your cock away in a cage and only let it out when I screw another man. You are a cuck, not a man so accept it. Sometimes the wife just says verbally she loves her husband but her actions and the tone of the story says differently. Those stories are not gonna be accepted either.

Those do not belong in the LW category to start with

 

[LetsMisBehave]

Your story is never a mistake. Just accept that not everyone will always like your work. Only trying to please others when there’s no real gain—except maybe soothing a bruised ego—is the most pathetic kind of whoreship.

It would have been more accurate to say I should not have impliedly promised a BTB story in the summary and delivered something else. I told the story I wanted to tell, but bait and switch is usually a mistake.
That may link to another issue, which is how important the choice of title and summary is in persuading people to give a story a chance.

 

[Britva415]

apparently the narrator's conduct is cuckold, which didn't seem to fit the criteria, but oh well

Maybe they aren’t reacting to it as “cuck kink” content, but just hating him as a man who can’t not get cheated on (a cuck).

 

[Britva415]

Those do not belong in the LW category to start with

I agree, but they sure do have plenty of company there.

 

[Gamblnluck]

I’d rather have nasty yet amusing comments than repetitive, bland praise that encourages me to keep writing sappy, predictable crap.

All too often a story is still predictable, but endeavoring to keep it enjoyable and NOT crap is the goal.

 

[DrPope]

Don't worry about comments or scores (scores only matter after a decade online). I've written over 100 works 75% would be LW and I only posted one on Literotica because frankly I never cared for the idea of a commercial site working off authors free submissions (same with SOL)...I was as many already know always a BBS/Usenet author be that the Wife category on ASSM or on my own site at ASSTR before I was moderator. Since then I've just written to Amazon kindle and yes I've only posted a few novels but I have sold quite a few and people seem to like it but I don't really care either way. Honestly I think if your worried about what other people might think of your category or particular fetish choice (be it hard cuck or BTB) the questions I always ask are "is it well written" and "is it a good tale" if the answer is yes then I give it positive review. The reasons I was so hard all those years ago on Stromdog or Xleglover etc was that basically their stories were terrible and more importantly terribly repetitious... people got this idea I hated hard cuck but loved soft cuck ....neither is true .... to be honest favorite few are probably BTB actually with a RAAC thrown in ...mainly GaryAPB who I knew of long before the Aftermath saga was on ASSM so that's 25+ years ago.
My only advice is write what you want to write, listen to constructive critique and don't be repetitive or write anything to do with Feburary sucking

 

[lovecraft68]

Don't worry about comments or scores (scores only matter after a decade online). I've written over 100 works 75% would be LW and I only posted one on Literotica because frankly I never cared for the idea of a commercial site working off authors free submissions (same with SOL)...I was as many already know always a BBS/Usenet author be that the Wife category on ASSM or on my own site at ASSTR before I was moderator. Since then I've just written to Amazon kindle and yes I've only posted a few novels but I have sold quite a few and people seem to like it but I don't really care either way. Honestly I think if your worried about what other people might think of your category or particular fetish choice (be it hard cuck or BTB) the questions I always ask are "is it well written" and "is it a good tale" if the answer is yes then I give it positive review. The reasons I was so hard all those years ago on Stromdog or Xleglover etc was that basically their stories were terrible and more importantly terribly repetitious... people got this idea I hated hard cuck but loved soft cuck ....neither is true .... to be honest favorite few are probably BTB actually with a RAAC thrown in ...mainly GaryAPB who I knew of long before the Aftermath saga was on ASSM so that's 25+ years ago.
My only advice is write what you want to write, listen to constructive critique and don't be repetitive or write anything to do with Feburary sucking

Wow, I haven't heard the name Xleglover in forever. I ended up on it somehow back in the days of Sublime Directory-not sure if that site is still around-and something led me there. As for quality, I wouldn't say it was great, but there's some poor quality here and everywhere else as well.

 

[lovecraft68]

LOL it takes a lot more than your passive aggressive high school bullshit to get my hair up, LC. Mostly, I'm just telling the folks that might pay attention to you that you don't know a damn thing about what you're talking about re: LW. But please, keep on with your wall of text about how none of this is important, and it means nothing, and... ah, you know. Kinda funny from the guy that started the milestone thread.

I just want to interrupt your defensiveness and chest thumping with one quick point.

On a personal level I have been involved in BDSM to varying degrees since my late teens. Scary to say that's approaching forty years. But according to you seeing my last BDSM story here was written 10 years or so ago, I don't know anything about it.

You don't need to write in a genre to know things about it, either in real life (where the whole cuck thing can turn ugly really quick just like swinging and swapping) or on this or any other site.

I've never said everything over there is shit, just that it has been more and more taken over by the garbage factions who are succeeding in driving off good writers and readers just there to enjoy a kink involving fictional infidelity or cuckolding.

If you want to say there's still some good folks hanging in there, I believe it. But when you act like the meme of the dog sitting in the middle of flames saying everything is fine, you sound dense. The reputation of the category was bad when I got here-and TBH I didn't think it was that bad back then-its far worse now. A look through recent comment portal can tell people that.

If you want to see yourself as the mansion in the ghetto, that's fine. But take the blinders off to what's around you.