Loving Wives

I admit, my stories are targeted to be pure jack off material. I sometimes get criticized that I don’t explore the consequences of peoples actions. In my mind they all had fun and everything is happy ending.
 
Among the many comments I've read on mine and other LW stories, I've found that many readers want a story which contains a relatable character, someone in the story who might more closely fit their own identity. If a reader is a straight male, they're looking for at least one straight male character in the story to see how the rest of that story arc might affect them and how the author thinks they might react.

In my last story (similar theme as yours primarily about two women), it's faring about the same as yours. After over two months, it has a view-to-vote ratio of 120:1 (yours is 130:1). Many of the LW readers just don't follow through to read the whole story when they see it's not including one of their own relatable identities.
I find most of my readers just want the pure fantasy. Some readers want more character development and exploring consequences but that’s not really my thing.
 
I’d say they pose as moral crusaders, howling for justice and closure, but scratch the surface and it's just masochism in a trench coat

They’re looking for victims to project onto so they can gorge on all that delicious self-pity and rejection--that slow-burn humiliation. The catharsis at the end is a smokescreen, a thin layer of moral frosting that lets them feast on the pain without admitting it turns them on.
Got it in one, I reckon.
What has always puzzled me about the category (which includes all the other aspects generally mentioned) is how 'unerotic' the offerings are overall. The 'hotwife' sub-genre probably comes closest, maybe some of the cuckold tales (although I don't usually read them) but clearly the focus of most readers (and writers) are not sexual interests or arousals but themes of betrayal.
See above!

A lot of the content in the category (selected completely randomly, for curiosity, when I first arrived on Lit and was discovering what the various categories were all about) is anti-erotic, I agree.

The shift I've seen in the thread commentary over the years is the skew towards cuckoldry in more recent times, which I find curious. But erotic? Not really.
 
The shift I've seen in the thread commentary over the years is the skew towards cuckoldry in more recent times, which I find curious. But erotic? Not really.
I would argue cuckolding (particularly interracial) is the "hottest" (as in, rapidly gaining in attention) kink in the world right now. It's driving social movements, the collapse of marriage, and is part of the global depopulation threat. It may be the most significant and impactful sexual fetish humanity has ever experienced.
 
I would argue cuckolding (particularly interracial) is the "hottest" (as in, rapidly gaining in attention) kink in the world right now. It's driving social movements, the collapse of marriage, and is part of the global depopulation threat. It may be the most significant and impactful sexual fetish humanity has ever experienced.
That's over-stating it a tad. I'd say it's more about male insecurity, than a new world order. I don't get it at all - but that's just me.
 
That's over-stating it a tad. I'd say it's more about male insecurity, than a new world order. I don't get it at all - but that's just me.
The reasons are myriad. No phenomenon this large can be explained by a single factor, or even a handful of factors.

Just to clarify, I never said it was a new world order. I'm arguing that no sexual fetish has been as impactful as this one in the past. I suspect conspiracy theorists who tie just about all world events to pizza gate style secret societies would argue otherwise, but not sure there are any other candidates that would come close.
 
I would argue cuckolding (particularly interracial) is the "hottest" (as in, rapidly gaining in attention) kink in the world right now. It's driving social movements, the collapse of marriage, and is part of the global depopulation threat. It may be the most significant and impactful sexual fetish humanity has ever experienced.
Far more fantasy, and more often written about, than reality. Even 40 years ago, my wife mocked the whole scenario, though once or twice a year, she liked to sample some chocolate, as she termed it. She found that black men tended to believe their own hype, and she would use it to fuck with them. Women get bored with monogamy far sooner than men, and are more apt to sample strange and exotic experiences, and the color contrast, as much as anything else, is erotic.
 
I would argue cuckolding (particularly interracial) is the "hottest" (as in, rapidly gaining in attention) kink in the world right now. It's driving social movements, the collapse of marriage, and is part of the global depopulation threat. It may be the most significant and impactful sexual fetish humanity has ever experienced.
I think you, EB, and others are conflating your own concepts and opinions, and suggesting they're more prevalent than reality.

Any increase in swinging or sharing cannot be equated to what some of you describe as "cuckolding". Your definition of cuckolding and use of that term is not necessarily what those in that lifestyle believe or agree with. And shouting "That's how the whatever dictionary defines it now!" doesn't necessarily agree with what those in that lifestyle agree to.

So, when you ascribe behaviors to a group based on YOUR definitions and assumptions, you're starting from a misconception.

I've done my own research and talked to many in a sharing lifestyle. And while there are some who do so from a power or humiliation kink, most do so out of indifference to such attitudes.

Some husbands share their wives for the quid pro quo of allowing the husband to have other women.
Some share their wives out of a sense of power as her "gate keeper" and the husband has veto power over her choices, enjoying the fact that her lovers need his permission.
Some husbands enjoy the live porn shows, and after decades of marriage, they're effectively bored with the way their wife behaves when alone with them.
And some husbands are influenced by a declining sex drive of their own and just grow indifferent to a wife who is growing apart from them in all other aspects of their life together.

I knew one couple who hosted swinger parties, because the wife was less interested in any sex, and she was "outsourcing" for her husband to get his fill with others. He didn't CARE if his wife fucked around, because HE was getting more!

But any of that leading to more collapse of marriage is also an assumption. Which comes first: the sharing and extra-marital sex? Or the indifference to each other after decades of "the same old thing?" I know one couple who stay together BECAUSE they both know they aren't trapped with the same old thing together. They don't see each other with the animosity of "I'm stuck with YOU and no one else forever?! Fuck this situation!" They can still enjoy each others' company and the routines they grown into without the sex or lack of it coming between them.
 
I think you, EB, and others are conflating your own concepts and opinions, and suggesting they're more prevalent than reality.

Any increase in swinging or sharing cannot be equated to what some of you describe as "cuckolding". Your definition of cuckolding and use of that term is not necessarily what those in that lifestyle believe or agree with. And shouting "That's how the whatever dictionary defines it now!" doesn't necessarily agree with what those in that lifestyle agree to.

So, when you ascribe behaviors to a group based on YOUR definitions and assumptions, you're starting from a misconception.
I would be happy to be shown that I'm starting from a misconception. I love being wrong, as it generally leads to me learning something. But I'm not sure what misconception you are referring to. Should I give you my definition of cuckolding and maybe you can tell me if it's right or wrong?

A. Some husbands share their wives for the quid pro quo of allowing the husband to have other women.
B. Some share their wives out of a sense of power as her "gate keeper" and the husband has veto power over her choices, enjoying the fact that her lovers need his permission.
C. Some husbands enjoy the live porn shows, and after decades of marriage, they're effectively bored with the way their wife behaves when alone with them.
D. And some husbands are influenced by a declining sex drive of their own and just grow indifferent to a wife who is growing apart from them in all other aspects of their life together.
A is swinging
B is called stag/hotwife
C sounds more like voyeurism or hotwifing, not cuckolding, which to me should involve emotion
D sounds terrible. not sure what this is- sounds like the end.

to me, there are two definitions of cuckolding:
1. any situation in which a wife cheats on a husband and causes him to unknowingly raise another man's child.
2. a sexual fetish in which a husband is sexually aroused by knowing his wife is with another man, from a combination of voyeuristic, humiliation, sexual inadequacy, power exchange (even non-consensual), and compersion kinks.

if thats wrong, please let me know.
 
I would be happy to be shown that I'm starting from a misconception. I love being wrong, as it generally leads to me learning something. But I'm not sure what misconception you are referring to. Should I give you my definition of cuckolding and maybe you can tell me if it's right or wrong?


A is swinging
B is called stag/hotwife
C sounds more like voyeurism or hotwifing, not cuckolding, which to me should involve emotion
D sounds terrible. not sure what this is- sounds like the end.

to me, there are two definitions of cuckolding:
1. any situation in which a wife cheats on a husband and causes him to unknowingly raise another man's child.
2. a sexual fetish in which a husband is sexually aroused by knowing his wife is with another man, from a combination of voyeuristic, humiliation, sexual inadequacy, power exchange (even non-consensual), and compersion kinks.

if thats wrong, please let me know.
Your first definition I agree with as accurate. It's quantifiable and definitive in that the wife has sex without her husband's knowledge or approval, and she bears a child without telling him that it's not his, which he continues unknowingly to raise and support. I'd even go as far as saying she doesn't need to get pregnant, as long as her lover deposited his seed in her and the husband doesn't know about it.

It's that second one which conflates ALL other types of swinger/sharing scenarios under the broad umbrella many other authors here refer to as "cuckolding."

If you assume that all swinger/sharing husbands are cuckolds that's the rabbit hole which leads to miscommunication. One person is thinking "The husband must enjoy the humiliation," while others are thinking "the husband just likes to watch" or "the husband is impotent". Afterall, YOU threw in that "compersion kink" as part of that second definition, and compersion could apply to any number of swinger or stag/vixen, hot wife scenarios. Who is married and does NOT want to see their spouse happy?
 
I would argue cuckolding (particularly interracial) is the "hottest" (as in, rapidly gaining in attention) kink in the world right now. It's driving social movements, the collapse of marriage, and is part of the global depopulation threat. It may be the most significant and impactful sexual fetish humanity has ever experienced.

Evidence?

This strikes me as pure speculation.
 
And your evidence for this is...?
I do not believe there are any formal studies to that effect. However, numerous sex researchers and sexual therapists, unrelated, say it, and even Lauren Russo, who is a counselor who specializes in marriage counseling for couples who are dealing with affairs, alludes to it.

And personally, I have slept with quite a few married women over the years, who love their husbands, and their marriage, but looking for some spice that they are not getting at home.

And these things are a big part of the reason that the LW category exists.

I believe that the tie in between marriage and monogamy is a fairly recent construct (400 years and North America), based upon the religious groups that settled here to escape persecution.
 
I would have thought the fact that vast majority of porn is made by men for men is evidence that men get bored of monogamy.
 
It's that second one which conflates ALL other types of swinger/sharing scenarios under the broad umbrella many other authors here refer to as "cuckolding."

If you assume that all swinger/sharing husbands are cuckolds that's the rabbit hole which leads to miscommunication. One person is thinking "The husband must enjoy the humiliation," while others are thinking "the husband just likes to watch" or "the husband is impotent". Afterall, YOU threw in that "compersion kink" as part of that second definition, and compersion could apply to any number of swinger or stag/vixen, hot wife scenarios. Who is married and does NOT want to see their spouse happy?
I actually think we agree on a lot of this?

I believe swinging and hotwifing and cuckolding are entirely different things. yes, the terms overlap in many meaningful ways, but so do anxiety and depression, or rheumatoid vs osteo arthritis, or lupus and MS. many things overlap and are still distinct from each other.

I provided a definition of cuckolding that addressed that by saying:

"a husband is sexually aroused by knowing his wife is with another man" <<---- COMBINATION of voyeuristic, humiliation, sexual inadequacy, power exchange (even non-consensual), and compersion kinks.

I think this is a strong definition... you disagree with it? sounds like you liked the first definition, which in my mind is the dictionary definion (which it sounded originally you did not like).

just trying to clarify. obviously, I find this topic interesting.
 
It always amazes me the assumptions people who are not in the lifestyle have about people in the lifestyle. Especially in the LW category.

My favorite is authors who have never been to a ‘swing club’ trying to describe what one is like. I realize it’s their fantasy of what it would be like, but most are way off

I also like the assumption that once a woman has experienced ‘cock out of marriage’ she will always want it and will cheat to get it.

That swinger marriages don’t last. The divorce rate among our lifestyle friends was less than among our straight friends.

For more info on the lifestyle, as I experienced it read my story ‘my experiences in swinging’

I once tried to write a he said/she said wife sharing story with another author doing the he said. Although a great writer, not having the fantasy or experience he just could not understand the male character.
 
I would have thought the fact that vast majority of porn is made by men for men is evidence that men get bored of monogamy.
Research in this area is very poor, and most of is tremendously dogmatic (read: untrustworthy). I would disagree with the above statement. By volume, most of the porn these days is produced by independent contractors, most of whom are women, or come in the form of the massive romantasy genre, which is almost entirely female focused. Porn production studios are still around, of course, but they are relics of the past.

Here is one of the very few good papers I have ever read on the subject of the effect of porn on marriage:
https://www.enough.org/objects/Till_Porn_Do_Us_Part_A_Longitudinal_Exam_fnv.pdf

And an interesting tidbit from it:
Among men, about 10 percent who begin viewing porn get divorced at time 2 compared to only about 5 percent of those who never watch porn. For women, the difference is considerably greater. About 6 percent of women who never watch porn get divorced between waves compared to 16 percent of those who began watching porn.
 
I would have thought the fact that vast majority of porn is made by men for men is evidence that men get bored of monogamy.
Do people get bored with monogamy or do they just stop communicating. I hate the ‘just grown apart’ thing. My husband told me that when he first started dating for a long term relationship he considered ‘just grew apart’ a red flag. What’s to stop that from happening again?

When he was dating he dated lots of divorced women. They did things with him they would never do with their husbands. When asked why it was because they were afraid of what their husbands might think, so they never talked about it.
 
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