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[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Cute how you tacked on the previous three elections before the time frame I was talking about, since that bumps up the Republicans' average substantially. But what happened 31 to 39 years ago really doesn't have a whole lot to do with what's happening today."

And I could just as easily argue that what happened back in the 20th century is of little relevance today. If we want to stick to the past twenty-years exclusively then Republican candidates have won three of the past five presidential elections, and are poised to win a fourth next year!

"Nothing racist at all here, nope, not at all..."

SERIOUSLY? You want to go there? If a white-skinned person enters our nation illegally, that's a CRIME! And if a brown-skinned person enters the U.S. legally, that's NOT a crime! WHY must you see everything through a RACIAL PRISM? - Mexico is a foreign country, NOT a race! If Mexican people want to move to Trump's America and become citizens of this great, prosperous nation, then they need to do so LEGALLY!

"If that were true, you'd be screaming for a wall on the Canadian border too."

Does the United States have a serious problem with drugs coming into our nation from Canada? Do we have human-trafficking going on at the Canadian border? Are there thousands of migrants currently massing in Winnipeg or Vancouver before then slowly marching southwards towards the Montana or Washington-state border so as to overwhelm our border patrol units stationed there?

Your comparisons are so INCREDIBLY STUPID! You & Keith take a serious and VERY REAL problem and then compare it to something making no sense whatsoever! The words "legal" and "illegal" are racist code-words to you two, because anything that helps the Democratic Party get more votes (e.g. blocking voter photo-ID laws) must be good!

It's like your silliness in defending guys-who-say-they're-girls wanting to compete in women's athletics competitions. I've been to over a dozen NCAA Swimming & Divings championship meets, and I've seen future Olympic medalists win some incredibly exciting races. But look at the TIMES of the championship finisher in the women's 200-backstroke and then compare it with the consolation-bracket 4th-place finisher in the men's 200-backstroke and you'll see where I'm going with this. That guy who couldn't even compete in the championship bracket of the men's competition could win a gold medal simply by claiming to be a girl!

Now MOST guys would never demean themselves in that fashion, but have you been following the news about Women's Wold Cup soccer players demanding equal pay with their male counterparts? Let's say that happens, and a guy who currently sits on the bench of the men's team suddenly realizes that he can be the STAR PLAYER on the women's team (and command a MUCH higher salary) simply by insisting that he's now a woman? And you believe that this is a GOOD thing for women's athletics?

 

[Dumpington]

Boxlicker101 writes: "Actually, third party candidates, including Faith Spotted Eagle, DID win a few electoral votes in 2016."

Faith Spotted Eagle WASN'T a third-party candidate, Boxlicker. Neither was Colin Powell or Ohio Governor John Kasich. They were ALL the recipients of votes from faithless electoral college voters in December of 2016.

If you look at the states that each candidate carried, Trump should have finished with 306 electoral votes to Mrs. Clinton's 232. But two of Trump's electors in Texas gave their votes to Kasich (who wasn't even on the ballot), while four of Hillary's electors in Washington-state did the same thing (three to Powell & one to Faith Spotted Eagle), with another one of her electors in Hawaii casting a vote for Bernie Sanders, making the actual final tally, 304 to 227.

dan_c00000 writes: "If that's true why did Trump knowingly hire illegals at his golf clubs?"

I'm pretty sure that the Mueller probe looked into that, Dan. After all, they spent two-&-a-half years investigating pretty much EVERYTHING under the sun, costing taxpayers a whopping $35-million! But Mueller FAILED to bring down the Trump presidency, which is why he will go down in history as a HUGE disappointment to Democrats & their Trump-hating supporters!

 

[dan_c00000]

I'm pretty sure that the Mueller probe looked into that, Dan.

It did not. In fact, the word immigrant is only mentioned once. Way to get busted lying. Poor racist dump. So paranoid his Klan leader is going to betray his president white race that he hasn't realized he already has been sold out.

 

[Dumpington]

dan_c00000 writes: "It did not. In fact, the word immigrant is only mentioned once. Way to get busted lying. Poor racist dump. So paranoid his Klan leader is going to betray his president white race that he hasn't realized he already has been sold out."

If Trump's next door neighbor filed a faulty tax return in 2013, Mueller would have indicteded the guy! If Trump's mailman lied to an FBI agent about how many catalogs Trump received from Neiman-Marcus, Mueller's people would have handed down an indictment! But NOW you're trying to say with a straight face that Trump was a member of the Ku Kux Klan, but Meuller's two-&-a-half year, $35-million investigation failed to uncover it? You SERIOUSLY believe that Robert Mueller was THAT incompetent & corrupt? (And to think that you once LOVED the guy!)

Here's the truth, Dan - Robert Mueller does NOT want to testify before a House Committee because he KNOWS that, if he does so, the House Republicans on that committee will want to know why his investigation IGNORED the many illegal connections they uncovered involving the Hillary Clinton & the Democratic National Committee using illegal means to acquire a FISA warrent using obviously tainted evidence! Mueller will be UNDER OATH, so he'll probably have to plead the fifth rather than answer questions that might surely lead to indictments against himself & his staff!

 

[phrodeau]

I'm sure that Mueller is reluctant to expose his fellow Republican's beliefs in whacky conspiracy theories and distrust of our intelligence agencies.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "I'm sure that Mueller is reluctant to expose his fellow Republican's beliefs in whacky conspiracy theories and distrust of our intelligence agencies."

I don't think so, phrodeau.

Back when Robert Mueller was FIRST appointed to investigate Trump/Russia collusion, the Trump-haters were falling all over themselves to gush about what a wonderful, honest guy he was, and about how he'd get to the bottom of Trump's corruption.

But then, as month followed month, and Trump remained in office, the praise for Mueller's honesty & integrity waned, as the Democrats impatiently demanded that he do his job, which they assumed would involve ending the Trump presidency!

Instead, Mueller indicted some lower-level Trump associates for tax violations and lying to the FBI, NONE of which had anything to do with Russia. He also indicted some Russian nationals living in Moscow, who were out of his reach. And finally, when his actual report was released, it said: NO COLLUSION & NO OBSTRUCTION!

And that's when all of the praise for Mueller turned to scorn. He's since tried to get the Democrats to like him again, but it's too late. And now the ball is in Nancy Pelosi's court, with Trump DARING her to launch impeachment procedings. He & the Senate Republicans KNOW that there's no possible way for the Dems to remove Trump from office. Trying & failing will simply blow-up in their faces!

 

[YDB95]

Dumbs trademark. Lying, putting incorrect words and thoughts in the minds of others, more lying, more conspiracy theories, more lying.

Flames and distractions.

What else has any Trump fan got to lean on at this point?

 

[thighlicker85]

If that's true why did Trump knowingly hire illegals at his golf clubs?

that's just shit you made up like fake news,you ass hole.

 

[Dumpington]

RubenR writes: "Dumbs trademark. Lying, putting incorrect words and thoughts in the minds of others, more lying, more conspiracy theories, more lying."

When you run out of intelligent things to say, you begin reciting the standard bullsh*t lines that every Trump-hater has been taught to say, like "all Trump supporters are racists," and "if you didn't vote for Obama/Hillary then you're a white nationalist!" Dan has learned ALL of these by heart!

YDB95 writes: "What else has any Trump fan got to lean on at this point?"

Trump supporters "lean on" our nation's booming economy, border security, fair trade, & restoring American greatness abroad, whereas his Democratic Party opponents mull over impeachment and which old white man to nominate as their party's standard-bearer in 2020.

The latest poll numbers: Biden - 34.8%... Bernie - 16.4% (that's 51% of Democrats right there!) Liz is 9.8... Kamala is 7.4... Buttigieg is at 6.0... Beto is 3.8... and Cory Booker is 2.2 (what a sorry-ass list of nobody-candidates!)

 

[phrodeau]

I am so glad our borders are secure now, we’ve got fair trade agreements and the respect of other nations around the world.

If that wasn’t the case, I’d probably vote for a real politician in 2020.

 

[dan_c00000]

that's just shit you made up like fake news,you ass hole.

I made it up and then had NBC write the story, is that what you're saying? What else did I make up?

Also, asshole is one word. I didn't make that up.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "I am so glad our borders are secure now, we’ve got fair trade agreements and the respect of other nations around the world."

Give the man time, phrodeau - he hasn't even been in office two-&-a-half years yet! Remember how until just recently, the Democrats were insisting that there IS NO CRISIS at the border, and that no border wall is needed! That, of course, was BEFORE the migrant caravans began pouring up from central America!

As for fair trade with other nations, Trump is the FIRST president to even try ADDRESSING this issue! Others, with no knowledge of deal-making, simply shrugged their shoulders and allowed countries like China to continue screwing us with artificial trade barriers! Trump's goal is to force that nation to re-negotiate these unfair trade treaties with the U.S., and higher tariffs is the ONLY way to get them to respond!

"If that wasn’t the case, I’d probably vote for a real politician in 2020."

Sadly, the Democratic Party isn't really offering you any viable options. Right now, "Gropin' Joe" Biden has a commanding lead over the collection of nobodies seeking the nomination, with socialist Bernie Sanders in a distant second-place. It's going to get ugly before it's over!

 

[dan_c00000]

Your reply supports everything I've written; you come up with things I've never said, and then you try to attack me on those words.

Dump is quoting me because I've accurately described him as both a white supremacist and anti-Semite. He's never denied being this stuff and continues to support policies that contribute to both. Furthermore, I've also accurately described him as pro-baby murder because of his support for Trump's immigration policies and Trump providing weapons to the Saudis for their war in Yemen.

Again dump has never denied any of this stuff and continues to support it.

 

[icanhelp1]

Washington - VA House off Burgesses, First and Second Continental Congress.
W H Harrison - Governor of Indiana Terr., Rep. and Senator from Ohio.
Grant - Sec’y of War.
Eisenhower - Governor of US-controlled Germany.

I thought you knew about this stuff.

That google button must be the size of your living room

 

[phrodeau]

That google button must be the size of your living room

I research. That is how we differ.

 

[Dumpington]

dan_c00000 writes: "Again dump has never denied any of this stuff and continues to support it."

Serious question, Dan - have you EVER posted anything here on this forum that wasn't a lie?

First, you insist with a straight face that Dr. Christine Blasey-Ford told the truth because you argue that NOBODY who still sounds like a little girl at age fifty could ever be dishonest, adding that Judge Brett Kavanaugh's admission that he drinks beer makes him unqualified to serve on our nation's highest court!

THEN you say that the city of Chicago owes 'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett an APOLOGY for not believing his story about being set-upon by a couple of black African men wearing MAGA-hats who splashed bleach on him and put a noose around his neck, insisting that you believe it happened exactly as he said it did! And you applaud former First Lady Michelle Obama for making a few phone calls to get all charges against the Trump-hating actor dropped!

And finally, you say that guys who think they're women have every right to dominate women's athletics to make-up for those hundreds of years when women dominated MEN'S athletics, and that we should think of it as badly-needed "reparations" in the world of sports! You're just ABSURD Dan, and I'm tired of reading your endless bullsh*t here on this forum! Just ONCE why can't be try and be honest?

 

[YDB95]

Dump is quoting me because I've accurately described him as both a white supremacist and anti-Semite. He's never denied being this stuff and continues to support policies that contribute to both.

Oh, but he has denied it. His logic seems to be that the wetba...oops, I mean illegal immigrants and their Jewi...oops, I mean Democrat Party boosters really are out to destroy America as we know it, ergo it's not racist or anti-Semitic for him to say so. And after all, who can argue with that logic?!

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Oh, but he has denied it. His logic seems to be that the wetba...oops, I mean illegal immigrants and their Jewi...oops, I mean Democrat Party boosters really are out to destroy America as we know it, ergo it's not racist or anti-Semitic for him to say so. And after all, who can argue with that logic?"

So, you're now using racist words and then pretending that I'm somehow using them?

THAT'S how you're trying to prove that you're right and I'm wrong? You're copying DAN? Well, if you're going to go that route you might as well adopt his ENTIRE belief system, which goes something like:

"Everybody who is opposed to abortion hates women... anyone drinking beer is a rapist... everybody who thinks that Muslims have committed acts of terrorism is a white supremacist... everybody who doesn't cheer on guys-who-think-they-are-girls in women's track & field events is practicing transphobia... everybody who isn't an atheist (or a Muslim) must be a right-wing Christian extremist... everybody who supports Israel is a Nazi... all of those who want secure borders are racists... and anybody who didn't vote for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 is Hitler!"

That's the mantra for the modern-day left. Dan first came up with it, and you'll have to memorize or write it down, as I'm not going to repeat it again for you on this forum! As for your claims about Democratic Party boosters, I REALLY HAVE observed that people both here & abroad who dislike the United States are almost ALWAYS liberals, whereas people that love America (and stand respectfully for our national anthem) tend to be more conservative.

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Oh, but he has denied it. His logic seems to be that the wetba...oops, I mean illegal immigrants and their Jewi...oops, I mean Democrat Party boosters really are out to destroy America as we know it, ergo it's not racist or anti-Semitic for him to say so. And after all, who can argue with that logic?"

So, you're now using racist words and then pretending that I'm somehow using them?

No. I'm saying the language you DO use is dogwhistle for those racist words. Which is exactly how the Southern strategy works, and you have a very long track record for falling for the Southern strategy hook, line and sinker. That's why you never shut up about the racist Southern Democrats of 50+ years ago while clearly being utterly unaware that the Republicans have been appealing to people like you using code words since just about exactly the time the Democrats put a stop to accepting openly racist language in their ranks. In other words, Dump, you are a living, breathing testament to the effectiveness of the Southern strategy. That is what I'm saying.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "No. I'm saying the language you DO use is dogwhistle for those racist words."

Translation: Anything anybody posts that might disagree with your own politically-correct beliefs is to be deemed racist, because they're now a "dogwhistle" for actual racism. That's just so much nonsense.

"Which is exactly how the Southern strategy works, and you have a very long track record for falling for the Southern strategy hook, line and sinker. That's why you never shut up about the racist Southern Democrats of 50+ years ago..."

Translation: The ONLY reason why the American south abandoned the Democratic Party was racism. FORGET the fact that former Ku Kux Klan officer Robert Byrd (D-WV) remained a Democrat until the day he died! FORGET the fact that nearly ALL of those segregationist southern U.S. Senators (including Al Gore's dad) remained die-hard Democrats until the day they died! Jimmy Carter was the LAST Democrat to WIN the American south and the FIRST Democrat to LOSE it! How does Carter's disastrous presidency figure into the "southern strategy?"

"In other words, Dump, you are a living, breathing testament to the effectiveness of the Southern strategy. That is what I'm saying."

Except that I'm NOT a southerner. I was born in California & grew up in Colorado. But while I continue to LOVE my country, the modern Democratic Party does NOT! And it would appear that the modern American south overwhelmingly AGREES with me on this!

Again, over the past half-century, EVERY single American state has voted Republican in a presidential election at least once! But there are at least NINE states I can think of (and NONE of them are in the south) that haven't voted Democrat even ONE TIME in that same period: Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, & Alaska! Are they now racist, as well?

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "No. I'm saying the language you DO use is dogwhistle for those racist words."

Translation: Anything anybody posts that might disagree with your own politically-correct beliefs is to be deemed racist, because they're now a "dogwhistle" for actual racism. That's just so much nonsense.

Once again, no. Just because I'm calling YOU a racist/Islamophobe/transphobe/anti-Semite does not mean I think that way about everyone I disagree with.

"Which is exactly how the Southern strategy works, and you have a very long track record for falling for the Southern strategy hook, line and sinker. That's why you never shut up about the racist Southern Democrats of 50+ years ago..."

Translation: The ONLY reason why the American south abandoned the Democratic Party was racism.

Closer, but no. They also hated feminism, and any effort to reinforce the separation of church and state. But yes, racism was the biggest reason.

FORGET the fact that former Ku Kux Klan officer Robert Byrd (D-WV) remained a Democrat until the day he died!

Yes, and he also renounced his racist past and became a dependable vote FOR civil rights.

FORGET the fact that nearly ALL of those segregationist southern U.S. Senators (including Al Gore's dad) remained die-hard Democrats until the day they died!

At which time they had all been out of office for decades, and the (mostly) Republicans who replaced them continued to vote the same way they had. The only thing that changed was the party label.

Jimmy Carter was the LAST Democrat to WIN the American south and the FIRST Democrat to LOSE it!

You can say that as many times as you want, but it just isn't true. The Dems were losing parts of the south as early as the 50s, and George McGovern lost the entire south four years before Carter won it. And Clinton and Obama both won parts of it afterward, too.

How does Carter's disastrous presidency figure into the "southern strategy?"

Passing over the question of whether bringing the hostages home safe from Iran, brokering the Camp David Accord, and calling on all Americans to do their fair share to address the energy crisis was "disastrous", the answer to your question is extremely simple: Gerald Ford was the only GOP nominee from 1968-2012 who didn't employ the Southern Strategy. That he lost - and specifically that he lost the whole South except for Virginia - really speaks to how effective the strategy is.

"In other words, Dump, you are a living, breathing testament to the effectiveness of the Southern strategy. That is what I'm saying."

Except that I'm NOT a southerner. I was born in California & grew up in Colorado.

They call it the Southern strategy because it was primarily intended to flip the South to the Republicans - and it worked - but in no way does that mean anyone not from the south is immune to its manipulations.

But while I continue to LOVE my country, the modern Democratic Party does NOT! And it would appear that the modern American south overwhelmingly AGREES with me on this!

It does indeed appear that the South mostly agrees with you that anyone who tries to drag it kicking and screaming into the 21st century "hates America".

Again, over the past half-century, EVERY single American state has voted Republican in a presidential election at least once! But there are at least NINE states I can think of (and NONE of them are in the south) that haven't voted Democrat even ONE TIME in that same period: Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, & Alaska! Are they now racist, as well?

I've said before, there's racism in all 50 states.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Once again, no. Just because I'm calling YOU a racist/Islamophobe/transphobe/anti-Semite does not mean I think that way about everyone I disagree with."

You're calling me a racist ONLY because I don't share your left-leaning political beliefs. I have NEVER written anything remotely racist on this LLV forum, but to modern Trump-hating liberals, ALL conservatives must automatically be racists! What you fail to realize, however, is that a new generation of young black voters out there are no longer buying into the promises of the "Democratic Party plantation" offering black people housing projects & food stamps in exchange for their permanent votes. Trump is actually giving the black community JOBS! Yes, those very same jobs that President Obama said were "never coming back!"

"Closer, but no. They also hated feminism, and any effort to reinforce the separation of church and state. But yes, racism was the biggest reason."

The Ku Kux Klan included among its most ardent supporters MARGARET SANGER, the founder of Planned Parenthood! Was Ms. Sanger a "feminist?" Well, we certainly know that she was a RACIST, as she considered abortion to be an excellent method of keeping the America's black population in check!

"Yes, and he also renounced his racist past and became a dependable vote FOR civil rights."

Robert Byrd was the LAST former officer of the Ku Kux Klan (reaching the high rank of 'Exalted Cyclops') to have the president of the United States (Barack Obama) deliver the eulogy at his funeral! In fairness, President Obama was ONLY honoring the former KKK leader because of Byrd's help in passing ObamaCare!

"At which time they had all been out of office for decades, and the (mostly) Republicans who replaced them continued to vote the same way they had. The only thing that changed was the party label. "

So WHY did all of these segregationists (and former Klansmen) remain in the Democratic Party? Why didn't any of them switch parties & join the G.O.P.? Actually, there was only ONE segregationist Democrat U.S. Senator who DID become a Republican, and that was Strom Thurmond from South Carolina - and when HE passed away at the age of 100 (in 2003), liberal Delaware U.S. Senator Joe Biden delivered the euology at his funeral!

"You can say that as many times as you want, but it just isn't true."

Wrong - it IS true! Jimmy Carter was the LAST Democrat to WIN the American south and the FIRST Democrat to LOSE it! Carter won all but ONE southern state (Virginia) in 1976, and then he turned around and LOST all but one southern state in 1980 (Georgia)! That's the TRUTH, but the truth doesn't help your narrative and so you deny it.

"I've said before, there's racism in all 50 states."

This is true. Politically-progressive organizations like Antifa & the #BlackLivesMatter movement are especially rife with racism, as is the modern Democratic Party. They scream that others are racists in order to avoid anybody noticing their own deeply-rooted racism!

 

[JackLuis]

Hey Dump, where are the New Polls?

Arguing abortion is not what this is about, Dummby.

 

[Dumpington]

JackLuis writes: "Hey Dump, where are the New Polls? Arguing abortion is not what this is about, Dummby."

Yes, Jack, I am aware of that.

But when others here ask me questions & make comments about abortion on this thread then I'm going to respond. And yes, that's what happened here.

The latest national polls show Joe Biden STILL running away with it, with 35% of Democrats backing his candidacy. Bernie Sanders (the OTHER old white guy) remains a distant 2nd-place with 16.5% support. After that, it's Liz Warren with 9%... Kamala Harris at 7.5... Buttigieg is at 5.8... Beto is 3.8... Corey Booker's at 2.3... and the other twenty-or-so declared candidates each have 1% or less.

 

[DawnODay]

President Trump’s job approval rating is the highest it’s been in two years, boosted by voter optimism about the economy, according to the latest Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll survey....

Trump appears to be getting a lift from the economy, with a record 62 percent approving of his approach to employment and 59 percent approving of his handling of the economy.​

J. Easley, Trump's approval rating hits highest point in two years, The Hill (May 31, 2019). It is worth noting that both Harvard CAPS and Harris have demonstrably oversampled Democrats in their past polling. That's why Harris was so wrong about 2016.