Republican Health Policy

[CandiCame]

Encase you haven't been paying attention I have yet to get to kill anybody. Not for lack of offering mind you but I keep getting outvoted or told that's not strictly necessary! I hope I'm around with Nazi Vampires from Outerspace start attacking so I can go order a pizza and politely explain that for some reason I'm really out of practice.

You're the kind of guy who gets five meat lovers or something, aren't you?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I have been known on occasion to see how many animals I can kill with a single meal. I get terducken to punish vegans.

 

[CandiCame]

I have been known on occasion to see how many animals I can kill with a single meal. I get terducken to punish vegans.

I feel an extremely long Red vs Blue joke/reference coming on...

 

[jeninflorida]

A new circle jerk alliance has formed...go spray them boys

 

[CandiCame]

A new circle jerk alliance has formed...go spray them boys

I don't think you know how circle jerks work. We really need many more people for that. Though it would compliment the "insane Roman Emperors and Meat Lover's Pizza" theme we've got going. I actually love everything about this plan.

 

[jeninflorida]

Obana government just posted a 9 billion dollar loss on the GM bailout


Gotta love the assholes in government

 

[CandiCame]

I need a good Bacchanal...

 

[richard_daily]

You have to dumb it down a few notches.

welfare welfare welfare


why don't you lazy fucks get a job?

There you go, that's the spirit!

 

[RobDownSouth]

I have been known on occasion to see how many animals I can kill with a single meal. I get terducken to punish vegans.

Seriously, is turducken any good?

I'd think the duck meat would overpower the rest?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not if it's done right. I liked it anyway but I like duck and I was mostly focused on that anyway.

 

[CandiCame]

I dislike preparing duck because you have to pull that layer under the skin off and I've never done that without making a huge mess and getting yelled at. It doesn't just come off. Or I'm doing it wrong. I mean, I like the meat, but I dislike cooking it so much that I haven't had duck in probably three years. Even though there are plenty of really stupid ducks that I could probably just walk up to and start eating without phasing the others. I took the dog out the other day and threw my cigarette in the creek (it's already polluted all to shit and I have just lost heart) and scared the SHIT out of a bunch of ducks that I didn't know were in there. But they just screamed about it. You can literally throw fire at them and they won't move. Apparently.

You know, I've never had turducken or however it's spelled.

 

[about_average]

I don't think you know how circle jerks work.

Two people would make a linear jerk.
So not only does Jen not know the difference between capitalism and socialism, she doesn't know the difference between a circle and a straight line.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I understand the compassion, and even agree with it up to a point, but at the end of the day, paying for it is going to be impossibl.

That must be why single payer is actually cheaper than any system the US has tried thus far??

Get real asshole...the only reason you don't want UHC, and the only reason you hate Obamacare is because you love big insurance and you're pissed off they can't fuck the consumer to the edge of criminality any more. It takes away the capitalist market to make vast profit off the sick/injured via gubbmint cheese, fuckin' deal with it.

And to all conservatives against socialized HC...you lost the debate as soon as you decided you weren't going to let the poor die in the streets for being poor.

 

[RobDownSouth]

No one is going to want to hear this, but it doesn't make it any less true, the problem with healthcare in this country started with the advent of medicare, and medicaid.

The government is always a convenient scapegoat to conservatives. Always.

When I was a kid, we'd pay out of pocket for our routine medical care, and insurance was for catastrophic illnesses only. It worked reasonably well, and just as insurance was supposed to work by spreading the risk across multiple people.

Ah, a trip down memory lane. Gas was less than 30 cents a gallon, too!

Yes, some people got left out in that system, the poor who truly couldn't afford the Doctor's visits, or the people with some pre-existing condition that kept them from being able to afford the insurance plans that were available. I don't know if charity worked well enough to meet all those needs, but it is what it was.

Thankfully, America has progressed beyond the "Sucks to Be YOU!" mindset.

There are way too many reasons to list here, but all government healthcare schemes work as policy but fail in practice because it needs more people at the bottom of the pyramid to pay for the folks at the top, when their healthcare needs are the greatest. As costs rise, it becomes unsustainable. I understand the compassion, and even agree with it up to a point, but at the end of the day, paying for it is going to be impossible. The ACA exacerbates that problem. I personally don't have a solution, but I know the road we are on now ends in failure, as all pyramid schemes do.

"Fail in practice"? No, no they don't. Take away Medicare and watch the American mortality rate skyrocket.

Our political discourse in this country as sunk to a low point when right and left see everything in blue and red. We become so entrenched in our belief system, that we miss the good faith that the other side approaches the question with.

If your position is "Sucks to be YOU" and "those were the days!" then you have literally brought nothing to the table.

 

[Bronc31]

The government is always a convenient scapegoat to conservatives. Always.



Ah, a trip down memory lane. Gas was less than 30 cents a gallon, too!



Thankfully, America has progressed beyond the "Sucks to Be YOU!" mindset.



"Fail in practice"? No, no they don't. Take away Medicare and watch the American mortality rate skyrocket.





If your position is "Sucks to be YOU" and "those were the days!" then you have literally brought nothing to the table.

I really don't get the fascination with single payer health systems. It's as if by having the government paying the bill, then magically costs will drop, everyone will be covered, and we'll all go happily on our way. That is a fallacy, that defies all logic. The best evidence they give is that it works in other countries, while admittedly anecdotal, I have not found to be the case. I would suspect that we are all defining what works by our own standard, and that is how it should be I guess.

There are some economic truths at play here though that cannot be overcome with unicorns and rainbows, no matter how much we wish that it could be so.

The simple fact of the matter is, the price of healthcare is going up, right along with the quality. From an economic standpoint, there is nothing that I see that is going to change that. Something that can't go on forever won't.

I never proposed to have the solution, I can't be pigeonholed as much as you'd like to, into this right/left box. The one thing I am certain of, the progressive left if it gets it's way is going to destroy this country if it gets it's way.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I really don't get the fascination with single payer health systems.

They are the most economical and effective option aside from "Fuck them, let them die if they don't have a method of payment.".

Do you have another option?

It's as if by having the government paying the bill, then magically costs will drop, everyone will be covered, and we'll all go happily on our way.

An oz of prevention is worth an lb of cure day day...literally.

That is a fallacy, that defies all logic.

Not according to the rest of the planet, and no it doesn't.

The best evidence they give is that it works in other countries.

LMFAO a functioning model, and they pay 1/2 what we do...pretty boss fucking evidence against our bullshit isn't it?

 

[jeninflorida]

The stupidity is mind blowing ... you people need to get a job

 

[CandiCame]

Hey, are Jen and July the same person? Just outta curiosity?

 

[julybaby04]

Hey, are Jen and July the same person? Just outta curiosity?

Nope.

 

[julybaby04]

I really don't get the fascination with single payer health systems. It's as if by having the government paying the bill, then magically costs will drop, everyone will be covered, and we'll all go happily on our way. That is a fallacy, that defies all logic. The best evidence they give is that it works in other countries, while admittedly anecdotal, I have not found to be the case. I would suspect that we are all defining what works by our own standard, and that is how it should be I guess.

There are some economic truths at play here though that cannot be overcome with unicorns and rainbows, no matter how much we wish that it could be so.

The simple fact of the matter is, the price of healthcare is going up, right along with the quality. From an economic standpoint, there is nothing that I see that is going to change that. Something that can't go on forever won't.

I never proposed to have the solution, I can't be pigeonholed as much as you'd like to, into this right/left box. The one thing I am certain of, the progressive left if it gets it's way is going to destroy this country if it gets it's way.

You mentioned the single payer. I too, am quite curious as to what the interest in that is (other than complete government control). I would think most individuals would want the control over such important matters in their own lives.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You mentioned the single payer. I too, am quite curious as to what the interest in that is (other than complete government control). I would think most individuals would want the control over such important matters in their own lives.

MONEY YOU DUMB MOTHER FUCKERS!!!! IT'S FUCKING CHEAPER AND WORKS BETTER FOR MORE PEOPLE THAN THE CURRENT SYSTEM WE HAVE, AND IT TRAMPLES YOUR FREEDOM EXACTLY ZERO%....WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT???

 

[Bronc31]

MONEY YOU DUMB MOTHER FUCKERS!!!! IT'S FUCKING CHEAPER AND WORKS BETTER FOR MORE PEOPLE THAN THE CURRENT SYSTEM WE HAVE, AND IT TRAMPLES YOUR FREEDOM EXACTLY ZERO%....WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT???

I've asked a couple of times, and you haven't answered, so I'll ask once more.
How does the government paying for it make it cheaper?

 

[CandiCame]

Nope.

Neat. You guys have similar interests is why I asked. Some people have multiple accounts for some reason. I assume it has to do with posting stories under different genres.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I really don't get the fascination with single payer health systems. It's as if by having the government paying the bill, then magically costs will drop, everyone will be covered, and we'll all go happily on our way. That is a fallacy, that defies all logic. The best evidence they give is that it works in other countries, while admittedly anecdotal, I have not found to be the case. I would suspect that we are all defining what works by our own standard, and that is how it should be I guess.

There are some economic truths at play here though that cannot be overcome with unicorns and rainbows, no matter how much we wish that it could be so.

The simple fact of the matter is, the price of healthcare is going up, right along with the quality. From an economic standpoint, there is nothing that I see that is going to change that. Something that can't go on forever won't.

I never proposed to have the solution, I can't be pigeonholed as much as you'd like to, into this right/left box. The one thing I am certain of, the progressive left if it gets it's way is going to destroy this country if it gets it's way.

Rather than point out and ridicule the myriad false assumptions in your above post, I'm going to take the high road and try a different tack here:

I'll ask you to read a single one-page op-ed on the unicorns and rainbows in Denmark

It's a simple, easy to read description of the Danish health care system.

I challenge you to show us how the Danish single payer system would not work here.

 

[CandiCame]

I've asked a couple of times, and you haven't answered, so I'll ask once more.
How does the government paying for it make it cheaper?

A couple of reasons. One is that it stops insurance companies from overcharging for their services. It also places the same price restrictions on pharmaceutical companies. That's why prices for pharmaceuticals are cheaper to order from Canada than to buy them in the states. By closely regulating the mark-up for goods and services, costs are kept at inflation, rather than at the will of the manufacturers. Some people argue that this is bad for medical providers and pharmaceutical companies because it infringes on their right to set their own prices. I, personally, don't disagree with that view. I just don't care. We're talking about life saving proceedures and medications. I won't even buy an IPAD because they're made in sweatshops, so I can't in good concious support a capitalist based medical system that fucks over the poor for a profit. It's my own moral choice. Other people have different ethical guidelines.

It also puts more people into the insurance pool. Meaning that the cost of these (now cheaper) procedures and medications are spread over a greater populace, lowering the cost for each individual. I don't really feel that that requires more explanation, however it is something that some people are having difficulty understanding. So the only way that I can think to explain it is by example. It's similar to how the human brain has ridges in order to increase the surface area. You can have more synapses in the same space, and the caloric intake of each individual dendrite is reduce because the surface area is greater, causing thought processes and reflexive actions to be more efficient.