She's way way.... WAY out of my league. How do I handle her?

Haha Note taken! "Pretty hair."

I just hope she doesn't request for me to ask her a question.

"Chris, ask me a question. Anything."

"Okay bitch, we're through."

I'm a long-haired girl myself. Trust me when I say when a girl's gone through the effort to grow her hair out, a compliment on it will be VERY well received.

Mine is down to my butt now. Anything nice said to me about it goes right to my heart. :)
 
Dude, that's fucking offensive. Misogynistic and Homophobic, and completely disgusting. You're better than that shit. Cut it out.

It's called tongue-in-cheek. If you have ever read any of my posts you know I'm not really a dick. Or at least not a misogynistic, homophobic, completely disgusting dick. I may just be a run of the mill, everyday dick. The kind you take home to meet mother. If I was a completely disgusting dick, I would have just re-posted this hurt feelings report in response to your post.

However, I fail to see the homophobic portion of it. Is it because it says queer? I've yet to meet a gay guy who didn't use that term.

Nevertheless, the post wasn't serious.
 
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Didn't she say she still wanted to study, aka: still be friends?
If your response to rejection is just going to be ending all contact with someone then your never going to get anywhere.

This is the game of love, not the game of life and death. Love at the start is very rarely more than a passing fancy - your making it too deep too soon.
 
It's called tongue-in-cheek. If you have ever read any of my posts you know I'm not really a dick. Or at least not a misogynistic, homophobic, completely disgusting dick. I may just be a run of the mill, everyday dick. The kind you take home to meet mother. If I was a completely disgusting dick, I would have just re-posted this hurt feelings report in response to your post.

However, I fail to see the homophobic portion of it. Is it because it says queer? I've yet to meet a gay guy who didn't use that term.

Nevertheless, the post wasn't serious.
The list is offensive because it uses epithets and equates being homosexual to being a pussy/little bitch/crybaby/etc., when gay men are usually just the opposite. BTW, using 'feminine' insults for men is offensive to women because it says we're somehow weaker and inferior. After all, what's wrong with ANYONE crying, being scared, etc.?

"Queer" is a lot like the n-word in that way - it started as an epithet, and the GLBTQ community has "reclaimed" it and even given it new meaning (i.e. as in a "different" or "complex" or "other" or "inclusive" identity or orientation). The community and its allies use it most often as a descriptor or synonym, rather than an insult (like straight men in particular usually use it). This is a good piece on how it's currently defined by much of the GLBTQ community and its allies.

As a Caucasian woman, it wouldn't be acceptable for me to call someone of African descent a n*****. Likewise, even as a bisexual woman, I would not be welcome to call someone "a queer" or say "those queers." However, it wouldn't be offensive if I said "she's queer" or "some members of the queer community believe XYZ." If you're a straight man, you're definitely not welcome to use "queer" unless you're using it in the correct, non-offensive way. I'm sure you know that "fag[got]" is not an acceptable term, either, unless you're using the slang term cigarettes in the UK, or you're a gay man using it in the proper context.

Anyway, I'd strongly suggest taking the image you posted (and anything similar) out of your arsenal because it IS offensive to multiple groups of people, and I don't think you're that type of guy at heart. Don't argue it or try to defend it, just realize it's not OK for a variety of reasons, and take what we're telling you on board as valuable knowledge. You didn't get it, but hopefully you do now. :)
 
The list is offensive because it uses epithets and equates being homosexual to being a pussy/little bitch/crybaby/etc., when gay men are usually just the opposite. BTW, using 'feminine' insults for men is offensive to women because it says we're somehow weaker and inferior. After all, what's wrong with ANYONE crying, being scared, etc.?

"Queer" is a lot like the n-word in that way - it started as an epithet, and the GLBTQ community has "reclaimed" it and even given it new meaning (i.e. as in a "different" or "complex" or "other" or "inclusive" identity or orientation). The community and its allies use it most often as a descriptor or synonym, rather than an insult (like straight men in particular usually use it). This is a good piece on how it's currently defined by much of the GLBTQ community and its allies.

As a Caucasian woman, it wouldn't be acceptable for me to call someone of African descent a n*****. Likewise, even as a bisexual woman, I would not be welcome to call someone "a queer" or say "those queers." However, it wouldn't be offensive if I said "she's queer" or "some members of the queer community believe XYZ." If you're a straight man, you're definitely not welcome to use "queer" unless you're using it in the correct, non-offensive way. I'm sure you know that "fag[got]" is not an acceptable term, either, unless you're using the slang term cigarettes in the UK, or you're a gay man using it in the proper context.

Anyway, I'd strongly suggest taking the image you posted (and anything similar) out of your arsenal because it IS offensive to multiple groups of people, and I don't think you're that type of guy at heart. Don't argue it or try to defend it, just realize it's not OK for a variety of reasons, and take what we're telling you on board as valuable knowledge. You didn't get it, but hopefully you do now. :)

Words are either offensive or they are not. Double standards on who can use words seem hypocritical. So if I'm black I can say the n word or if I am gay I can call my gay friends a faggot? Either the word is bad or it's not.

For those whose feelings I've hurt, that was not my intent. I will require no hurt feelings report to be filed and I hope that all is forgiven. I did not intend to be offensive.

In the future, I will use this less offensive hurt feelings report, though I may need to tweak it to be a little more applicable. It says both woman/man like hormones, showing gender equality. There are no derogatory words in it that I see.

http://ldice.com/hurt-feelings-report.jpg
 
I understand that this thread is getting old. I gotta let it die, I know. But check this out!

Okay first of all, I have spoken to Mary's "ambassador" today. Apparently, Mary told her about me asking her out. Mary said she felt really bad and would have gone out with me if she wasn't talking to the other guy. Mary's ambassador told me that she'd keep me updated. This girl seems to believe that there still is a small chance if things go right.

But I have even better news! Honestly, I don't even think you guys will believe this. Hell, I don't even believe it.

I met another girl tonight. She's gorgeous, smart, and she's another intern from a different school. She's from a different part of the state, but she's here and needed some hours from our store. So we're giving her some for now.

I swear to God that I met this girl and had no fear of her. No shit, the whole night, I was making her laugh so hard that she was turning red and could not breathe. I felt like I had unleashed. After about 4 hours, we were talking about how I was leaving and getting a job with another company. She said "Well I'll never get to see you again." I was like "Well, what's your number? We'll have to go out if you're in town." No lie, she took my phone from me and put her phone number in it.

After work, I went out with another pharmacist and told him the story. He didn't believe me. While we were sitting at this bar, she texted me. My mouth dropped. I was so shocked.

So, in the end... really, tonight wasn't that big of a deal to any normal guy. Sure, she may just expecting to be friends. But it's SUPER awesome that this just came together ONE day after I got shot down from Mary. Think about it, it took me 3 whole weeks to get Mary's number. It took me 4 hours to get this girl's number. Texting Mary was a nightmare. On the other hand, this girl texted me.

Man... My life is seriously like a roller coaster... I'm on Cloud 9 right now. And tomorrow, I'll probably be miserable again for some weird reason.

Good for you!!
 
I'm a long-haired girl myself. Trust me when I say when a girl's gone through the effort to grow her hair out, a compliment on it will be VERY well received.

Mine is down to my butt now. Anything nice said to me about it goes right to my heart. :)

You know, long hair is amazing. I absolutely love women with long hair. I don't make too big of a deal about it if a woman has short hair just because I understand it's difficult to maintain.

But if I can find me a woman who loves to keep her hair long, then I'll consider myself a very lucky man.
 
Didn't she say she still wanted to study, aka: still be friends?
If your response to rejection is just going to be ending all contact with someone then your never going to get anywhere.

This is the game of love, not the game of life and death. Love at the start is very rarely more than a passing fancy - your making it too deep too soon.

I guess I really just don't understand how all of this is supposed to work. I feel like I'm in some alien world and everything I do is wrong.

First of all, you guys told me to just ask her out on a date. If she says no, then move on. Now, you're telling me to be her friend.

Let me explain something to you guys, I do NOT want a goddamn friend. I want a woman who is going to reciprocate those same feelings that I have for her back. I want a woman who is not going to just hang out with me and complain about her boyfriends. I've been there, and trust me... I suffered my own self-induced pain from being a girl's friend for 2 years. It was a nightmare. That friend that I had is now married and I'm still sitting here just praying for a miracle.

Fuck being friends. If she doesn't want to pursue something potentially romantic, then I don't care to see her.
 
First off, congrats on the new girl. Hopefully that works out well. She texted you and gave you her number. Hopefully that is clear enough to you that she likes you.

I guess I really just don't understand how all of this is supposed to work. I feel like I'm in some alien world and everything I do is wrong.

First of all, you guys told me to just ask her out on a date. If she says no, then move on. Now, you're telling me to be her friend.

Let me explain something to you guys, I do NOT want a goddamn friend. I want a woman who is going to reciprocate those same feelings that I have for her back. I want a woman who is not going to just hang out with me and complain about her boyfriends. I've been there, and trust me... I suffered my own self-induced pain from being a girl's friend for 2 years. It was a nightmare. That friend that I had is now married and I'm still sitting here just praying for a miracle.

Fuck being friends. If she doesn't want to pursue something potentially romantic, then I don't care to see her.

Second, if you like the girl, then maybe she requires being friends first. I wouldn't date anyone with whom I wasn't a friend. You really sound like kind of an ass. And that's coming from me who is apparently a giant ass. If you only want this girl for romantic reasons, yet you have no desire to be her friend, that sounds to me like you're being a dick. The girl was nice to you. She treated you well. She was up front with you. She didn't brush you off. She gave you an actual, legit reason. Why not respect her for that? I mean, not every girl would have been so honest.

Your relationship with her may not happen now. It may happen in the future, it may not. But I promise it won't happen if you just write her off. I'm not saying to sit home with your thumb up your arse whilst you wait (unless that's your thing). Go on a date with the other girl. But don't ditch Mary as a friend because you moved too slowly.
 
First off, congrats on the new girl. Hopefully that works out well. She texted you and gave you her number. Hopefully that is clear enough to you that she likes you.



Second, if you like the girl, then maybe she requires being friends first. I wouldn't date anyone with whom I wasn't a friend. You really sound like kind of an ass. And that's coming from me who is apparently a giant ass. If you only want this girl for romantic reasons, yet you have no desire to be her friend, that sounds to me like you're being a dick. The girl was nice to you. She treated you well. She was up front with you. She didn't brush you off. She gave you an actual, legit reason. Why not respect her for that? I mean, not every girl would have been so honest.

Your relationship with her may not happen now. It may happen in the future, it may not. But I promise it won't happen if you just write her off. I'm not saying to sit home with your thumb up your arse whilst you wait (unless that's your thing). Go on a date with the other girl. But don't ditch Mary as a friend because you moved too slowly.

Jesus Christ. Now I'm getting bitched at for accepting a rejection and moving on.

What the fuck?

Dude, I would have never seen Mary again regardless. I'm not denying her friendship. We will never cross paths again unless we both agree to create a crossed path. I'm not going to go out of my way to try to hang out with her as friends.

If I ever see her again, I'll be super nice to her. I mean, I'll probably be really awkward just because that's how I am, but I'm not going to ignore her. And if she texts me, then yeah, I'll talk to her. But I doubt she'll text me. And I'm not texting her again.

I'm not creating negativity. I'm just concluding this episode. That's all. Me and Mary were work friends and acquaintances, nothing more. So she isn't losing anything by me not trying to communicate with her.
 
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You're getting bitched at because you sound like a gender neutral whiny child who is crying (for all the wrong reasons).

This was actually a pretty successful transaction. Yet you're still considering it rejection. Maybe had your assdraggery not been so significant, you'd have caught her in time. HOWEVER, you mulled this over too long. She didn't reject you. A rejection would have been, "I read your posts on the forum and you sound like a negative little shit sipper, so I'm not going to date you." Instead, she simply offered her friendship and said that the reason she wasn't going out with you is because she is talking to someone else. Not because you bitch too much.

All I was saying is that you are being too damned negative about everything. You asked the girl out. You didn't get shot down. You basically got a "not now". That's not so bad. On top of that, you've got some other girl who is obviously interested. So go with that.

You make me think of Cartman. He's an ass, but I still root for him.

I do have some questions, because the way you phrase shit is killing me. Also, I skim over the really bitchy portions, so I've only read about 10% of what you wrote.

1. You keep saying Mary is gone and you'll never see her again. Yet you asked her out. Or your friend did. Are you or are you not still around her?
2. Did you accept the job or what?
3. If so, which one and where? Close to Mary? Away from Mary? Close to the new girl?
 
Words are either offensive or they are not. Double standards on who can use words seem hypocritical. So if I'm black I can say the n word or if I am gay I can call my gay friends a faggot? Either the word is bad or it's not.

Everything is in the context and tone.

Whoa, that is one fat pig! Look at her chow down on her slop!

Whoa, that man is one fat pig! Look at how he's chowing down at that buffet!


Same words, but a completely different context and tone of how the words are said, you see? It's not offensive in the first case when commenting on a farm animal, but the large man eating at the buffet would find it hurtful. The actual words themselves aren't bad, but the context makes them derogatory.
 
Everything is in the context and tone.

Whoa, that is one fat pig! Look at her chow down on her slop!

Whoa, that man is one fat pig! Look at how he's chowing down at that buffet!


Same words, but a completely different context and tone of how the words are said, you see? It's not offensive in the first case when commenting on a farm animal, but the large man eating at the buffet would find it hurtful. The actual words themselves aren't bad, but the context makes them derogatory.

Okay, now do that same exercise with the n-word. The word pig is not offensive. It's the association of some person with a pig that's offensive.

No matter what, the n-word has no neutral nor positive context. It just baffles me that a good portion of black people use the word in everyday language.
 
Perhaps another issue that's going here is the difficulty of communicating by text. It's very easy to miss nuances in a text, and because texts are by their nature so short, it's equally easy to project your own notions into the empty spaces.

Can't beat face to face. Second best is phone. Email's not bad if you're decent writers. But texts suck. They're nearly a step backwards to the days of telegraphs.
 
It's called tongue-in-cheek. If you have ever read any of my posts you know I'm not really a dick. Or at least not a misogynistic, homophobic, completely disgusting dick. I may just be a run of the mill, everyday dick. The kind you take home to meet mother. If I was a completely disgusting dick, I would have just re-posted this hurt feelings report in response to your post.

However, I fail to see the homophobic portion of it. Is it because it says queer? I've yet to meet a gay guy who didn't use that term.

Nevertheless, the post wasn't serious.


The list is offensive because it uses epithets and equates being homosexual to being a pussy/little bitch/crybaby/etc., when gay men are usually just the opposite. BTW, using 'feminine' insults for men is offensive to women because it says we're somehow weaker and inferior. After all, what's wrong with ANYONE crying, being scared, etc.?

"Queer" is a lot like the n-word in that way - it started as an epithet, and the GLBTQ community has "reclaimed" it and even given it new meaning (i.e. as in a "different" or "complex" or "other" or "inclusive" identity or orientation). The community and its allies use it most often as a descriptor or synonym, rather than an insult (like straight men in particular usually use it). This is a good piece on how it's currently defined by much of the GLBTQ community and its allies.

As a Caucasian woman, it wouldn't be acceptable for me to call someone of African descent a n*****. Likewise, even as a bisexual woman, I would not be welcome to call someone "a queer" or say "those queers." However, it wouldn't be offensive if I said "she's queer" or "some members of the queer community believe XYZ." If you're a straight man, you're definitely not welcome to use "queer" unless you're using it in the correct, non-offensive way. I'm sure you know that "fag[got]" is not an acceptable term, either, unless you're using the slang term cigarettes in the UK, or you're a gay man using it in the proper context.

Anyway, I'd strongly suggest taking the image you posted (and anything similar) out of your arsenal because it IS offensive to multiple groups of people, and I don't think you're that type of guy at heart. Don't argue it or try to defend it, just realize it's not OK for a variety of reasons, and take what we're telling you on board as valuable knowledge. You didn't get it, but hopefully you do now. :)

Thanks Sweetheart. :heart:
 
I'm at work but I'll directly respond to you guys tonight. I just wanted to post to say that me and the new girl have been texting each other off and on throughout the day. I think I like my odds.
 
I'm at work but I'll directly respond to you guys tonight. I just wanted to post to say that me and the new girl have been texting each other off and on throughout the day. I think I like my odds.

Good to hear. That's the first good news this thread has had in forever. Have you texted her a pic of your junk yet? It is day two, you are long overdue my friend.
 
I'm glad things are looking up for you but please indulge me with this one little favour... ok, a favour in two parts.

Read this

Then go through your posts on this thread and pick out where you have been plagued by unhealthy negative thought patterns.

Therapy may cost money but ask yourself what your mental health is worth? Your issues are deep seated and you know they won't be solved by the prospect of a date with this new girl.

I strongly urge you to seek out a cognitive behavioural therapist who you can develop a rapport with. I can almost guarantee that it will be the best money you ever spend.
 
I love this thread. It has the crazy highs and brings us to the precipice of a hope and success, only to bring us down faster than a roller coaster ride, then to give us a few loop dee loops along the way, and back into cheering for the protagonist.

Here's to you Chris! I am SO rooting for you. This new girl sounds like a breath of fresh air, a ying to your yang, someone who draws you out of your shell and wants you to be better, even if it's in baby steps. :)
 
I love this thread. It has the crazy highs and brings us to the precipice of a hope and success, only to bring us down faster than a roller coaster ride, then to give us a few loop dee loops along the way, and back into cheering for the protagonist.

Here's to you Chris! I am SO rooting for you. This new girl sounds like a breath of fresh air, a ying to your yang, someone who draws you out of your shell and wants you to be better, even if it's in baby steps. :)

Well actually that's not entirely true.

I just realized tonight that I don't know shit about this girl. I mean, we've texted all day but it was just stupid, random stuff. I've only just met her and have spent 4 hours with her in person.

I'm at a loss for how to handle her.
 
Well actually that's not entirely true.

I just realized tonight that I don't know shit about this girl. I mean, we've texted all day but it was just stupid, random stuff. I've only just met her and have spent 4 hours with her in person.

I'm at a loss for how to handle her.

Why do you need to "handle" her?

Learning about a person comes with time. Be patient and talk to her often. Ask her searching questions that can't be answered with a "yes or no". You don't have to "handle" anything, just be respectful and interested and honest with her.
 
Well actually that's not entirely true.

I just realized tonight that I don't know shit about this girl. I mean, we've texted all day but it was just stupid, random stuff. I've only just met her and have spent 4 hours with her in person.

I'm at a loss for how to handle her.


This is where you ask her questions *hint hint* so that you can know shit about her.

The word "handle" bothers me too. I don't know why, but it does.
 
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