Why are men never honest???

[dr.bong]

Yes, I have lies, not often, and have usually regretted it when I have


The biggest form of respect you can show for someone is to be h onest with them...every lie shows at least a partial lack of respect

 

[solomon797]

Not Just

I guess I have always found a relationship that is truthfull, to be muych happier and certainly more sexual than one that is not

Not just a matter of honesty either but one of BEING REAL,if your honest YOU ARE REAL if your not then your NOT REAL BUT ACTING and any relationship of value includes 2 REAL PEOPLE not a real person and some IMGINARY BEING.

 

[Swain]

Heh. I'm just curious as to why women think that men are the only dishonest ones out there. Women tell just as many lies as men do. Hell sometimes they're worse than us guys. Then women look up from their own lies and ask men to be honest? Why should men be honest if the "honest women" are bigger liars and players than the men?

 

[Missingmeds]

Heh. I'm just curious as to why women think that men are the only dishonest ones out there. Women tell just as many lies as men do. Hell sometimes they're worse than us guys. Then women look up from their own lies and ask men to be honest? Why should men be honest if the "honest women" are bigger liars and players than the men?

A most excellent point Swain.

 

[hotncmom]

I agree that people tell the truth so long as they are rewarded for it.

No one has addressed the "omitter." The person, man or woman, who doesn't necessarily lie, but who doesn't tell the full truth either. Same motivation, though -- fear of reprisal.

My quote from earlier:

I did lie a few yrs ago or omitted the fact to someone on a date that I was going through a divorce at the time. I hated it. Besides scaring him off with my insatiable urges, I wasn't honest with him and he is a nice guy[/B][/QUOTE]

Hi Hun,
On the contrary, I confessed to a lie of omission, which to me are deal breakers for me. I don't care for suprises in my relationships.

Mom

 

[hausfrau]

You're right, mom, you did!! My apologies, and 40 lashes for me.

 

[alphawolf718]

lying

ill lie to you ...just to get you in bed ...dont trust me

 

[Missingmeds]

Re: lying

ill lie to you ...just to get you in bed ...dont trust me

Sweets, you wouldn't have to lie.

That is my point with all of this. For some of us you don't have to lie.

 

[alphawolf718]

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Sweets, you wouldn't have to lie.

That is my point with all of this. For some of us you don't have to lie.

that is sweet of you im flattered ok im turning over a new leaf ...no more lying to you ..

 

[Missingmeds]

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that is sweet of you im flattered ok im turning over a new leaf ...no more lying to you ..

Sweets that is exactly the point. You don't have to lie to get what you want. You might have to work a little harder for something but that usually makes it all that much better when you do get what you want.

 

[hotncmom]

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that is sweet of you im flattered ok im turning over a new leaf ...no more lying to you ..

forget it then, i won't fuck u!

 

[Missingmeds]

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forget it then, i won't fuck u!

Because he won't lie to you or because of the whole leaf turning thing?

Good to meet you hotncmom.

 

[hotncmom]

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Because he won't lie to you or because of the whole leaf turning thing?

Good to meet you hotncmom.

he was the most honest one on here stating that he'd lie just to have a fuck!
LOL...now that's honest. Quite the paradox I guess.

 

[sassykat]

I guess I have always found a relationship that is truthfull, to be muych happier and certainly more sexual than one that is not

I agree, cause truthfulness leads to trust. And if there isn't trust, ya don't have much and sometimes end up feeling really used. I feel there were times that I was just someone to pass time with while he was looking for something else. As long as you have trust and honesty, everything can be great, the friendship of the relationship along with the lust and the sex. After a certain amount of dishonesty, you just give up and start wondering what is wrong with you that the person doesn't trust you enough to be honest with you...especially after you have opened up and been completely up front with them. I have had that used against me too when the other person has been angry, so in the future, I may not be so honest...won't lie, just won't be able to divulge all the information.

 

[sassykat]

Re: Mom's Quiz....

Yes, I have lied in my life....and you haven't?

Keep this in mind(and I am no bible thumper, by any stretch of the imagination)-Only one man in this world was perfect, and they killed him for it.....

So maybe you could call lying selfpreservation...lol

Just kidding. I have never lied to intentionally wrong someone, nor have I ever tried to mislead someone by lying to them, but there are times when people, women included, must lie a little just to keep the peace. We must deal with it, cause hey....we are humans.

But, I believe also that a lie can hurt worse than the truth in some instances.

Yep, I agree that everyone has told lies, but when someone is confronted with it and they continue to lie about it it is wrong. And in most cases that this happened to me, the truth wouldn't have hurt near as much as the lie, cause then the trust was gone, felt that if he would go through so much to tell the lie and build on it to continue lying, what else had he lied to me about that I didn't know.

The other thing that gets me, and this applies to men and women, is how some people tend to be a certain way when you meet them, but then the "real side" comes out as the comfort level in the relationship grows. Just another form of lying to me...I am who I am, ya either like me or ya don't, but don't try to change me after I have given my heart to ya, you will know who I am when I meet ya, ya get the real deal from the git-go. If you pretened to be one way, then your real side comes out, you end up with someone that you aren't even sure who they are and what they stand for.

 

[Missingmeds]

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he was the most honest one on here stating that he'd lie just to have a fuck!
LOL...now that's honest. Quite the paradox I guess.

I agree. And then I told him that he didn't have to and that started the whole new leaf thing. With that av, wonder if he would allow a peek under that leaf?

 

[omahaman2]

If a person is the one you care about most in the world,the one you entrust your heart and your soul too,I cant figure out how anyone could lie to that person!!

 

[hotncmom]

Re: Re: Mom's Quiz....

Yep, I agree that everyone has told lies, but when someone is confronted with it and they continue to lie about it it is wrong. And in most cases that this happened to me, the truth wouldn't have hurt near as much as the lie, cause then the trust was gone, felt that if he would go through so much to tell the lie and build on it to continue lying, what else had he lied to me about that I didn't know.

The other thing that gets me, and this applies to men and women, is how some people tend to be a certain way when you meet them, but then the "real side" comes out as the comfort level in the relationship grows. Just another form of lying to me...I am who I am, ya either like me or ya don't, but don't try to change me after I have given my heart to ya, you will know who I am when I meet ya, ya get the real deal from the git-go. If you pretened to be one way, then your real side comes out, you end up with someone that you aren't even sure who they are and what they stand for.

Sassykat,
You just wrapped up the demise of my last relationship. He had so many damn lies of omission I caught him in that I just couldn't take our relationship seriously. I don't want someone to feel as if they have to lie to me or omit the truth for fear of judgement from me. I mean, who the hell am I? Don't put me on a pedestal you know?
I want all the cards on the table from the beginning. If guys want me to take them seriously then please give me that. I loathed how he spoon fed me small doses of truth around the persona he created.
But I know not all men are liars at all. I am certainly not going to live my life in distrust of everyone cuz one person's lack of true self. I certainly won't invest myself into anyone who doesn't trust themselves or me to be totally themselves. I may have fun with them but it won't develop into any substantial for me.
Kisses,
Mom out

 

[dr.bong]

as I said I am somewhat of a stickler for honesty, that being said their are specific events from my past that I share with noone, until I know them excedingly well. I don't lie, but if anything close to that subject comes up , I would tend to say, I have something bad in my past, that I will elt you know of when we are more comfortable with, and committed to each other. Here theres is no lie of omission, but I can still hold off on this one area

 

[alphawolf718]

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I agree. And then I told him that he didn't have to and that started the whole new leaf thing. With that av, wonder if he would allow a peek under that leaf?

keep gaining brownie points and a peek isnt out of the question

 

[smoothdevil]

I challenge you in that statement.

Here are some direct questions women ask men that they have either lied about in their lifetime:

1. Do you think so and so is pretty? yes
2. Do I look fat in these pants? no, the pants look fat
3. What did you think of my family? do I have to answer that ?
4. Honey, are you happy in our relationship? of course dear
5. Were you checking out the babysitter, my sister, the neighbor's daughter? never , they are under-aged
6. Have you ever fantasized about someone else while we were having sex? never never never ...
7. Do you wish my boobs were bigger? they are purfect babe
8. Who's meatloaf is better mine or your mothers? mine
9. What sexual fantasies would you like to try with me? a 3some with your sisters
10. Are you married? yes, no

One yes disqualifies you as never having lied to a women.

Believe me if men (and women) had the balls to answer those questions honestly with their mates, my inbox wouldn't be so filled with married or committed partners who aren't having their "needs" met!!!

Never is a strong statement babe.
Licks and kisses, Mom

all kidding aside ... it's easier to say the truth than trying to remember all the lies... but at the end, respect should prevail, whether the r/s is going somewhere or nowhere

 

[Missingmeds]

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keep gaining brownie points and a peek isnt out of the question

I see....

 

[Donsehan]

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Originally posted by hotncmom
he was the most honest one on here stating that he'd lie just to have a fuck!
LOL...now that's honest. Quite the paradox I guess.

true, but not everyone is willing to do that. well, lie to get someone in bed.

 

[LustfulOne50]

Humm Lying

It is lying to protect feelings, future and property, there it could be a just cause, but lying to take advantage of someones volubility then there is nothing just in it to fit your needs.

 

[MysteriousRomantic]

I see this thread is about men lying. But what I want to know then are all women totally honest? Especially with their feelings? I am having serious doubts about that. And I question honesty in a woman as much as they question it in a man. I have decided that lying begets lying as you always have to cover the last lie with a new lie