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Again, you conflate things like sabotage or bullshit games as a strawman argument to spin into the self-deception of justifying your own weakness.

Successful people strive to win!

Those who lack that will to win, to achieve the goal, are not worth promoting! I would NEVER assign a person as a project manager to lead a team if that person had NO ambition to achieve the goal of the project! No successful leader picks losers to lead!

If I'm forming a team, I want players who are there to WIN with me! They don't need to cheat to win. They just can't feel sorry that someone else is going to lose!
If someone didn't care for the weak people on their team, I wouldn't assign them to be project manager either.

You're missing the point. Successful people in plenty of circles collaborate rather than compete. These people learn how to work with others, no matter how strong they are, while still having their eyes on the ball. Not everything is about competition.
 
If someone didn't care for the weak people on their team, I wouldn't assign them to be project manager either.

You're missing the point. Successful people in plenty of circles collaborate rather than compete. These people learn how to work with others, no matter how strong they are, while still having their eyes on the ball. Not everything is about competition.
It's ALWAYS about competition! Even if that competition is with yourself to be better at what you're doing!

I want project managers who aren't content to just "do the job". I want someone who wants to do it better, faster, and at a lower cost! I want to hire people who are always asking themselves,; "How can I do that BETTER the next time?" They WANT to improve their skills, not just flip burgers forever, because that's all they needed to do to get by.
 
It's ALWAYS about competition! Even if that competition is with yourself to be better at what you're doing!
Self-improvement is competition now, lol. That's a super broad view of competition you're working with right there, and probably not what comes to mind when the average person thinks of competition.
 
Self-improvement is competition now, lol. That's a super broad view of competition you're working with right there, and probably not what comes to mind when the average person thinks of competition.
You're correct: AVERAGE person!

But they're not the best, are they? They're average!

They don't see that when going to the gym today, that wanting to lift a heavier weight is competing with who they were yesterday. They may go to the gym and decide they've lifted enough, and it's time to take it easy.
 
The most successful people I know wouldn't think of self improvement as a competition, either...
When I was in school a long time ago, the teachers would read out each student's grades to the class at the end of each quarter. That was intended for the students to understand where their skills compared to the other who sat in that same class.

In one quarter, our math teacher read the scores from all of the tests, and when reading my name stated "he got 100% of all tests' answers correct!" I raised my hand to correct the teacher, saying "I MISSED three questions, getting them wrong! But I made it up by getting all of the extra credit problems correct."

Being the best in the class wasn't good enough for me! I got three questions wrong! And I strove to not do that again.

Self-improvement IS a personal competition.
 
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When I was in school a long time ago, the teachers would read out each student's grades to the class at the end of each quarter. That was intended for the students to understand where their skills compared to the other who sat in that same class.

In one quarter, our math teacher read the scores, and when reading my name stated "he got 100% of the answers correct!" I raised my hand to correct the teacher, saying "I MISSED three questions, getting them wrong! But I made it up by getting all of the extra credit problems correct."

Being the best in the class wasn't good enough for me! I got three questions wrong! And I strove to not do that again.

Self-improvement IS a personal competition.
Good for you. If you wanna frame your own self-improvement that way, sure, I ain't gonna argue with you. But other successful people frame it in other ways.
 
Choosing the power tools would raise questions about her sexual identity *lol*. Seriously that is the way it should be. That doesn't mean everything should fall equally where everything is 50 50, I get cars serviced because I know a lot about cars and also the crap service stations pull,my wife likes to garden, I am more the person who does things like builds the drip water system, builds the raised beds and handles heavy stuff. I also pitch in with everything else , and my wife helps with things I am doing.
Women often like men to do stuff where they need to confront or negotiate with other men, especially if it is in a field where the 'little lady may not know much about this'. My Cousin Vinnie:
 
I was hearing about the bitch/doormat problem from practically before I entered the workforce and it seems to be mostly true except for one important exception. If you are terrifyingly competent at your job, male, female, or other, you can show vulnerability and warmth. This typically goes along with (or leads to) leadership, because you’re leveraging it to make an entire team better. eg, “I have trouble with this, does anyone else? <heads nod> Okay then let’s change it.”

Edit to add: the book Good to Great suggests that we repeat a lot of patterns at mediocre companies that great ones eschew. Great ones look for problems to fix instead of just ignoring or exploiting them for personal gain.
Women in middle management and lots of office managers and Administrative Assistants get lots of quiet respect because their work is essential, they are often quietly making key decisions that make their 'bosses' look good, they seem to 'know their place' but actually have a lot of clout because the machine stops without them, and they often know where 'all the bodies are buried'.
 
Women often like men to do stuff where they need to confront or negotiate with other men, especially if it is in a field where the 'little lady may not know much about this'. My Cousin Vinnie:
Oooh my favorite movie! I ideolized her, she knew cars cold yet had gorgeous nails *grin*
 
But you absolutely have been putting down strong women, and anyone else who doesn't conform to your wishes. You've claimed people who don't act the way you think they should are fake, just acting. You've claimed men who don't act the way you think they should are bad and need to change to accommodate your own views of how things should be.
I can see how you read it that way. And I confess a bias toward tolerant people. BTW, someone who is acting isn't 'fake'. A good actor believes in their role. And I love strong women. OTOH, I see millenia-old ways women are strong without necessarily using a 'testosterone based' model. Many indigenous groups in North America are led by women. They are pretty good at not taking any shit. I am absolutely not making a case for women getting stuck with 'quiet', passive-aggressive ways of negotiating their lives. 'Hear me roar' and 'Let it go' are absolutely tools in the quiver. We just don't shame people if they don't have or use those tools.
 
Success at the top requires a ruthless selfish drive to WIN!

And that goes against the grain of those who have a nurturing nature, asking everyone to cooperate and get along. Boys in school in the past were taught to WANT to win competitions. If you didn't WIN, you were a LOSER!

It began in the 1980's when professional educators pushed their "expert" advice on new parenting methods that "every child is a winner, and everyone deserves a trophy!" That led to today's excess permissive environment where we have insane people roaming the streets, because "They DESERVE a chance!" and "You can't deny them THEIR RIGHTS!" Then when the insane do insane things, ... as I like to say: "Who didn't see THAT coming?"

It takes a true narcissist to spin the narrative and hide the root cause of the problem they created: Some people ARE the cause of their own problems! And we shouldn't protect them from the consequences. The more they are protected, the more consequences we all face later.
There's a scene in a Pinter play. Katharine Hepburn was playing a married person who knew exactly what she wanted. She was upset at some workers. I believe, were messing up her home in a way that had her really wired. (Manybe it was just party guests.) She told her husband to go tell the people to leave. Good leaders delegate. Then there is also, 'not being responsible for being the one who is being mean.' One style of management that millions accept is, "Okay, all you assholes, you're making an ungodly racket and this job looks like a cow shat all over it. Get the fuck out and come back when you can do it right." Another is, "Excuse me, can you all please stop for a minute? Everyone here is getting jangled by all the noise. And I'm sorry, but we all agreed on certain pretty tight specs for this job, and, don't you agree? This here is looking like quite a mess. Please take a break; regroup, and let's get this back on track." Both work. Nobody is being given a pass. When I played football, certain players (and a lot more fans and commentators) would crow about how 'we totally humiliated those sorry sons of bitches.' I was happier if it was a close game and I knew we had won against 'honorable opponents.'
 
Again, you conflate things like sabotage or bullshit games as a strawman argument to spin into the self-deception of justifying your own weakness.

Successful people strive to win!

Those who lack that will to win, to achieve the goal, are not worth promoting! I would NEVER assign a person as a project manager to lead a team if that person had NO ambition to achieve the goal of the project! No successful leader picks losers to lead!

If I'm forming a team, I want players who are there to WIN with me! They don't need to cheat to win. They just can't feel sorry that someone else is going to lose!

And again, you throw in the "everybody for themselves" spin to twist your ignorant argument.

WINNERS don't have to be loners. TEAMS require groups of WINNERS, working together to be the best! When you have a weak player on the team, get rid of them and find a better team player, if you want your team to win! And if you don't care if your team wins, then I don't want to be on your team!
Winning is fun. But I have played on too many teams with mediocre seasons or competed in too many 'races' where I didn't win to beat myself up or my teammates, or an opponent for not winning. For me winning is the sizzle on the steak. But the reality is that most times you don't win. It doesn't make you a loser. It makes you a savvy, experience player. And is playing to win a key motive? Of course.
 
Winning is fun. But I have played on too many teams with mediocre seasons or competed in too many 'races' where I didn't win to beat myself up or my teammates, or an opponent for not winning. For me winning is the sizzle on the steak. But the reality is that most times you don't win. It doesn't make you a loser. It makes you a savvy, experience player. And is playing to win a key motive? Of course.
Of course, MOST people don't win!

"There can be only one!" (a line from the movie "Highlander" where they were out to slice each other's heads off!)

But if you don't try harder, you can never win. It's the competition which drives you to do better (self-improvement?)!
 
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Of course, MOST people don't win!

"There can be only one!" (a line from the movie "Highlander" where they were out to slice each other's heads off!)

But if you don't try harder, you can never win. It's the competition which drives you to do better (self-improvement?)!
Of all the hours and hours I put in, on stifling sweaty, days or icy ones, the objective was to get my performance and those of my teammates in top form. On 'game day' sometimes that training paid off in a win, and sometimes it didn't. It was good to be on some championship teams. It was good to win some matches. But if the 'payoff' was a win I never would do it year after year. Same with writing, or acting, or art. It doesn't need to get the Tony or the blue ribbon. It just needs to give someone pleasure in seeing it and me the fun of doing it. Wins evaporate. They can make you feel like you're the best for a while. But then you get to suit up and go practice again. And they don't necessarily translate. A champion tennis player is not necessarily a good fuck. Although that Aryna Sabalenka...
 
Of all the hours and hours I put in, on stifling sweaty, days or icy ones, the objective was to get my performance and those of my teammates in top form. On 'game day' sometimes that training paid off in a win, and sometimes it didn't. It was good to be on some championship teams. It was good to win some matches. But if the 'payoff' was a win I never would do it year after year. Same with writing, or acting, or art. It doesn't need to get the Tony or the blue ribbon. It just needs to give someone pleasure in seeing it and me the fun of doing it. Wins evaporate. They can make you feel like you're the best for a while. But then you get to suit up and go practice again. And they don't necessarily translate. A champion tennis player is not necessarily a good fuck. Although that Aryna Sabalenka...
Why bother sweating, freezing, or spending time to practice, if not to be BETTER?

If all you're looking for is a good fuck, your time might be better spent in other pursuits.

You're resisting and twisting to avoid saying that the competition pushes you to try being better! And if YOU weren't trying your best or trying to be better, would your teammates still want to pick you from a lot of others?
 
I can see how you read it that way. And I confess a bias toward tolerant people. BTW, someone who is acting isn't 'fake'. A good actor believes in their role. And I love strong women. OTOH, I see millenia-old ways women are strong without necessarily using a 'testosterone based' model. Many indigenous groups in North America are led by women. They are pretty good at not taking any shit. I am absolutely not making a case for women getting stuck with 'quiet', passive-aggressive ways of negotiating their lives. 'Hear me roar' and 'Let it go' are absolutely tools in the quiver. We just don't shame people if they don't have or use those tools.

And how successful were those indigenous groups led by women? Still living in the stone age when the Europeans arrived...
 
Why bother sweating, freezing, or spending time to practice, if not to be BETTER?

If all you're looking for is a good fuck, your time might be better spent in other pursuits.

You're resisting and twisting to avoid saying that the competition pushes you to try being better! And if YOU weren't trying your best or trying to be better, would your teammates still want to pick you from a lot of others?
Totally agree. But feeling great about competing is not the same as feeling great about winning. Simple metaphor, appropriate here: Ejaculation is sure the culmination of making love. Frustrating without it. But all the rest of it is fabulous too. And sometimes seeing someone else 'win' is about as good as 'winning' yourself. And no, someone doesn't have to 'win' for it to be worthwhile.
 
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