For those who assume supporting a Trump presidency over a Biden one means being a MAGA Trumper....

African Americans are discriminated against in the United States. Does that make the U.S. an "apartheid state"?

Israel is not perfect, but their many enemies always try to make the country sound worse than it is by using loaded language like "apartheid" and "genocide".

Israel was founded in 1948 by a mix of indigenous Jews and Jews fleeing from persecution in nearby Arab states and Europe. In contrast, many Palestinians are descended from Arab settlers brought to Judea by the Ottoman Empire to dilute the indigenous population. They left their homes in the Levant during the partition with the promise they would get ALL of Israel after their fellow Arabs exterminated the Jews. Much to the surprise of the attackers, the Jews fought back and established Israel, leaving the Palestinians in the lurch.

But the genocidal dreams of the Palestinians have persisted, leading to periodic atrocities like October 7th, the Intifada, and the Munich Olympics.
... yeah, uh... Yikes.

See, it's when you say shit like "genocidal dreams of the Palestinians" that you make it REALLY obvious which Jewish people I ought to actually listen to, here.
 
Yet they would have made the same argument then. Time is not relevant here, truth that transcends time is.
Yes time is, fuck off with your whining.
That phrase or concept is nowhere in the Constitution. In fact our founding documents reference God as the source of liberty. And did you know our government, for the first 100-ish years of our existence, funded the printing of Bibles and sometimes even the sending of missionaries? Did you know that many of the founders and those in the first Congress were also pastors in churches or very active church members. Did you know our government established the chaplaincy in every aspect of its life, and that was a distinctly Christian chaplaincy until very recent history?
No I didn't know that, nor do I give a fuck. The laws of the land come from Congress, the judge of the legality of those laws comes from the Judiciary. I don't see no fucking God(s) in there anywhere....
The founders never intended religion to stay away from politics. Quite the opposite. They considered a government without God a dangerous one, and a people without that moral base unworthy of good governance.
Really, and I'm sure you can find a citation or letter etc showing that.
What they said is that Congress was not to establish an official state church, that they were not to interfere with the practice of people's faith, public or private. The phrase you quote was taken out of context from a letter from Jefferson written to a pastor stating in a different way what I just did. A Supreme Court Justice, in a very split decision, gave the contents of a letter, a LINE in a letter, ripped out of context, the weight of the founding documents. It was a blatantly unconstitutional move by the courts.
Awwww sounds like someone is upset the peoples of the day didn't make your god the final word....*chuckles* I've got news for you, there is no god, or life after death. This world and all we experience is the full Monty. You best stop being a religious dipshit and live and enjoy your life.
The founders would be shocked and appalled at how their words are being twisted and abuse to justify evil and crimes by you today.
They why did they give people the first amendment?
You ignore all the evidence of lungs, brain, heartbeat, feeling pain, response to voices and music and foods... You ignore a baby's obvious humanity, and therefore human rights, because doctors who love the money they make killing them tell you to. That is sick.
I don't ignore any of that. I just don't push my views on others, unlike you!! You are the one telling women what to do with their body, and you still won't answer my question. Why not? If implemented it would eliminate the need for an abortion. Isn't that what the fuck you're after Fisher??? Abortions to end???
No. I am making a simple statement. But since you seem to be deaf, I will say it louder and clearer. ALL HUMAN LIFE IS SACRED. A BABY IN THE WOMB IS A HUMAN LIFE MADE IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD. TO TAKE AN INNOCENT HUMAN LIFE IS MURDER. TO TAKE THE LIFE OF AN INNOCENT BABY AT ITS MOST VULNERABLE IS SICK AND DAMNABLE NO MATTER THE EXCUSE YOU GIVE.


That clear enough?
No, did you not read the post where no one on this forum is going to change their mind on the subject?
 
... yeah, uh... Yikes.

See, it's when you say shit like "genocidal dreams of the Palestinians" that you make it REALLY obvious which Jewish people I ought to actually listen to, here.
Hamas explicitly calls for the genocide of the Jews in its charter. Periodically they act on that foundational principle. Fortunately they're too weak to pull it off. The PLO was trying to exterminate the Jews before Hamas.
 
My vote, BY LAW, is "private" and asking how I voted invades my privacy. Most normal people understand that without needing to be quoted chapter and verse.
Then I guess all those exit poll takers asking people exiting the polls who they voted for need to be locked up, eh Councillor. Did you miss your Metamucil today? Fuck off with your fake poutrage Electric Carbon Water Boy.
 
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No I didn't know that, nor do I give a fuck. The laws of the land come from Congress, the judge of the legality of those laws comes from the Judiciary. I don't see no fucking God(s) in there anywhere....

Not only that, but just because the government did it doesn't mean it's constitutional. I mean, the Constitution guarantees the right to counsel in criminal cases, but in practice that wasn't actually established until 1963 (just for one of dozens of examples).
 
... yeah, uh... Yikes.

See, it's when you say shit like "genocidal dreams of the Palestinians" that you make it REALLY obvious which Jewish people I ought to actually listen to, here.

Hunting for "Jewish people" who (for whatever reason) agree with your obviously imagined history is not a good look.

Confirmation bias is a very bad thing.

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That's stupidity borne out of superstitious hatred where every sect has to accuse every other sect of heresy.

Until the schism of Tudor times what we call the 'Catholic' church was the entirety of Christianity, whether it was the Orthodox or the Roman Catholic variety. The Catholics and Orthodox folks then spent a few hundred years accusing Lutheran Protestants of not being Christian. It's pathetic.
That is a gross misrepresentation of church history. The church started in the 1st century. Catholicism started in the 3rd century and continued killing people who wouldn't play along with their false Christianity rooted in war. True Christianity did not act in war and in fact were the ones blessing their enemies and singing praises to God as they were tortured to death. These were the ones that are not, and never were Protestants. They were never part of the Catholic Church. They have their roots in those who tie back to the 1st century, not the 3rd century. They were known as the anabaptists. Mennonites, Amish, and the Baptists have their roots there and are not, and never were Protestant.

If you are going to cite church history, get your information right at least.
 
Right, just like how "proficiency tests" for voting registration didn't actually make it illegal to vote if you're Black. Stop complaining and just change the law. Or learn to read Mandarin.

ETA: "Proficiency" testers would sometimes add arbitrary language requirements to the test (dependent on who was taking it).

Where is this is being done today?
 
The Jew are a majority, but Israel is a democracy.

Yet in a democracy, the majority rules.

How does this not translate directly into Jews dominating their society?



To me it seems like you're well versed in speaking the words you use but you don't actually know the meanings and concepts behind the words.
 
Yet in a democracy, the majority rules.
So Christianity doesn't rule?

Quick follow-up clarifying question - do Christians get the majority rule because they are the largest group or do they actually have to do the voting thing?

I think Jay might misunderstand that part.
 
Yes time is, fuck off with your whining.

No I didn't know that, nor do I give a fuck. The laws of the land come from Congress, the judge of the legality of those laws comes from the Judiciary. I don't see no fucking God(s) in there anywhere....

Really, and I'm sure you can find a citation or letter etc showing that.

Awwww sounds like someone is upset the peoples of the day didn't make your god the final the law oword....*chuckles* I've got news for you, there is no god, or life after death. This world and all we experience is the full Monty. You best stop being a religious dipshit and live and enjoy your life.

They why did they give people the first amendment?

I don't ignore any of that. I just don't push my views on others, unlike you!! You are the one telling women what to do with their body, and you still won't answer my question. Why not? If implemented it would eliminate the need for an abortion. Isn't that what the fuck you're after Fisher??? Abortions to end???

No, did you not read the post where no one on this forum is going to change their mind on the subject?
The law of the land comes from the people. We have a representative form of government where congress does the bidding for its constituents.
 
The law of the land comes from the people. We have a representative form of government where congress does the bidding for its constituents.
Tell that to Jay. He's the one saying it comes from God....that was the Cole notes of the discussion.
 
That is a gross misrepresentation of church history. The church started in the 1st century. Catholicism started in the 3rd century and continued killing people who wouldn't play along with their false Christianity rooted in war. True Christianity did not act in war and in fact were the ones blessing their enemies and singing praises to God as they were tortured to death. These were the ones that are not, and never were Protestants. They were never part of the Catholic Church. They have their roots in those who tie back to the 1st century, not the 3rd century. They were known as the anabaptists. Mennonites, Amish, and the Baptists have their roots there and are not, and never were Protestant.

If you are going to cite church history, get your information right at least.
These whackjobs all came out of "Reformation" around the 16th century. If your god and the bible were so accurate, you'd think y'all could agree how the hell you came to be. "true christianity". You are such a smug prick.
 
Yet in a democracy, the majority rules.

How does this not translate directly into Jews dominating their society?



To me it seems like you're well versed in speaking the words you use but you don't actually know the meanings and concepts behind the words.
I kinda have to come to Shiny's side on this one. Israel is not a true democracy. America isn't either. Neither were ever supposed to be. Both are of the nations representative Republics. Those kinds of governments actually protect the voice of the minority so that it is heard and given weight. Democracy is rule by the mob.
 
Tell that to Jay. He's the one saying it comes from God....that was the Cole notes of the discussion.
I'm saying freedom - for ALL lives - is a sacred gift from God that no man, woman, or government has a right to strip away. I am saying that the laws governing that freedom were given by God and written on the hearts of men.
 
I kinda have to come to Shiny's side on this one. Israel is not a true democracy. America isn't either. Neither were ever supposed to be. Both are of the nations representative Republics. Those kinds of governments actually protect the voice of the minority so that it is heard and given weight. Democracy is rule by the mob.
If you are saying that the US is not a full fledged democracy, you are correct. However, a Republic is a form of democracy.
 
These whackjobs all came out of "Reformation" around the 16th century. If your god and the bible were so accurate, you'd think y'all could agree how the hell you came to be. "true christianity". You are such a smug prick.
Listen to what I am saying. The Catholic Church, at its very founding, was another version of pagan. They never stopped being that. Many Christians were never part of that cult. They are not Protestant because they didn't leave the Catholic Church in protest. They were never part of it. The Protestants left during the Reformation because they recognized Catholicism for the paganism that it is.
 
Any adult that talks about God as if he's real, should not be taken seriously as they are obviously retarded.
 
Yet in a democracy, the majority rules.

How does this not translate directly into Jews dominating their society?



To me it seems like you're well versed in speaking the words you use but you don't actually know the meanings and concepts behind the words.
Despite being the majority in Israel, the Jews there do not use that power to force the gentiles to practice Judaism.

Fundamentalist Christians in the United States want to force all Americans to follow their interpretation of the Bible.
 
Listen to what I am saying. The Catholic Church, at its very founding, was another version of pagan. They never stopped being that. Many Christians were never part of that cult. They are not Protestant because they didn't leave the Catholic Church in protest. They were never part of it. The Protestants left during the Reformation because they recognized Catholicism for the paganism that it is.
Seemingly every legitimate scholar disagrees with you. But I guess that's par for your course.

I think my favorite part of your arguments is that I always find the exact website in the first few results of a basic Google search that you summarized as your own thoughts from all of your study.

"they are not Protestant. They actually trace their roots all the way back to the apostles, and they believe that they’re the one true church that Jesus founded. And during the Protestant Reformation, it was the Catholics who participated in the killing of people of other religions, and it was the Anabaptists who did not participate in that."

And this was actually from some baptist congregant claiming the same thing you did, but you didn't include the rebuttal from someone who is actually knowledgeable of the subject.
 
That is a gross misrepresentation of church history. The church started in the 1st century. Catholicism started in the 3rd century and continued killing people who wouldn't play along with their false Christianity rooted in war. True Christianity did not act in war and in fact were the ones blessing their enemies and singing praises to God as they were tortured to death. These were the ones that are not, and never were Protestants. They were never part of the Catholic Church. They have their roots in those who tie back to the 1st century, not the 3rd century. They were known as the anabaptists. Mennonites, Amish, and the Baptists have their roots there and are not, and never were Protestant.

If you are going to cite church history, get your information right at least.
Sorry, I didn't study church history. I studied history.
 
Seemingly every legitimate scholar disagrees with you. But I guess that's par for your course.

I think my favorite part of your arguments is that I always find the exact website in the first few results of a basic Google search that you summarized as your own thoughts from all of your study.

"they are not Protestant. They actually trace their roots all the way back to the apostles, and they believe that they’re the one true church that Jesus founded. And during the Protestant Reformation, it was the Catholics who participated in the killing of people of other religions, and it was the Anabaptists who did not participate in that."

And this was actually from some baptist congregant claiming the same thing you did, but you didn't include the rebuttal from someone who is actually knowledgeable of the subject.
Here's where it gets thorny. The Catholics, and later the Protestants wrote the history books. They were living in the comfortable places of being in power and able to write them. Meantime the anabaptists were on the run being hunted for their lives. Their histories were written occasionally, but scattered, sometimes lost, and did not have the comfort of editors. You acknowledge this problem when it comes to, say, the native American peoples. Why is it so hard to imagine with others.

I don't know if you can find the books online in a digital format or not, but the two best resources I have found are Trail of Blood and Foxe's Book of Martyrs. There are also some decent books, paper copy, from Rod and Staff Publishing, a Mennonite press.
 
Sorry, I didn't study church history. I studied history.
But Church history is part of history. You can't have the American Revolution without its religious elements. In fact, you don't even have the colonies without those factors. You don't have people being brought out of the dark ages unless you have a Protestant Reformation. The first book ever printed on a press was a Bible. The first words spoken over a phone line were "What hath God wrought?". You don't have the dark ages without Catholicism. It's all intermingled.
 
I'm saying freedom - for ALL lives - is a sacred gift from God that no man, woman, or government has a right to strip away. I am saying that the laws governing that freedom were given by God and written on the hearts of men.
Now you're shifting like a leaf in the wind.

There is no God, and men wrote the words in the bible.
 
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