For those who assume supporting a Trump presidency over a Biden one means being a MAGA Trumper....

[ideological_imbroglio]

Our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values. The separation of church and state mandates that the government cannot establish a state religion, nothing more. A jurisprudential concept defining the separation of religious institutions from government.

The Articles of Tripoli -- approved unanimously -- explicitly state that the US government is not, and never has been, Christian.

A good chunk of the "founding fathers" weren't even Christian. A lot were just some flavor of deist or agnostic.

They took a lot more from the French than anything.

 

[Bray123]

And I was hoping you would go here.

Study your history. The Catholic Church is not Christian. yada yada

That's stupidity borne out of superstitious hatred where every sect has to accuse every other sect of heresy.

Until the schism of Tudor times what we call the 'Catholic' church was the entirety of Christianity, whether it was the Orthodox or the Roman Catholic variety. The Catholics and Orthodox folks then spent a few hundred years accusing Lutheran Protestants of not being Christian. It's pathetic.

 

[icanhelp1]

The Articles of Tripoli -- approved unanimously -- explicitly state that the US government is not, and never has been, Christian.

A good chunk of the "founding fathers" weren't even Christian. A lot were just some flavor of deist or agnostic.

They took a lot more from the French than anything.

Now put your glasses on. Where did I state that our founding fathers were all Christians. I didn’t. Some were atheists. What I wrote was our country was founded on Judeo Christian values.

 

[icanhelp1]

Paywall article.

The basis for the constitution is British common law and the documents I listed above.

You’re conflating legal system, constitutional system of laws with crafting individual laws.

 

[adrina]

Now put your glasses on. Where did I state that our founding fathers were all Christians. I didn’t. Some were atheists. What I wrote was our country was founded on Judeo Christian values.

Except it really wasn't.

Our country was actually founded on making money and avoiding religious prosecution.

Our government was constructed using British common law, the Magna Carta, the Mayflower Compact, the Virginia Declaration and the Federalist Papers.

 

[adrina]

You’re conflating legal system, constitutional system of laws with crafting individual laws.

Nope. You're trying to make America out to be a Christian nation. It is not nor was it ever.



You're talking out of your ass because you want to believe that.

 

[ideological_imbroglio]

Now put your glasses on. Where did I state that our founding fathers were all Christians. I didn’t. Some were atheists. What I wrote was our country was founded on Judeo Christian values.

I mean... no? It wasn't?

You can make an argument that everything in Western philosophy after a certain point has some basis on Christianity, in that it either embraces it or rejects it -- but even then, the "founding fathers" were far more interested in the values of the "Great Enlightenment", which is about as far from "Pro-Christian Values" as you can get in Western philosophy.

Like, what -- do you think the French "Cult of Reason" was based on "Christian values", too?

Also, stop saying "Judeo-Christian" values. Judaism has nothing to do with this (outside of the weird fetish some Christians have with Hebrews).

 

[butters]

So how exactly does a Fetus reproduce?

principles of Biology:

All living organisms share several key characteristics or functions: order, sensitivity or response to the environment, reproduction, adaptation, growth and development, homeostasis, energy processing, and evolution. When viewed together, these characteristics serve to define life.

1. Reproduction: Single-celled organisms reproduce by duplicating their DNA and dividing it equally as the cell prepares to form two new cells. Multicellular organisms produce specialized reproductive cells that form new individuals. DNA contains instructions to produce physical traits, ensuring offspring belong to the same species and have similar characteristics1.

a zygote, or even a fetus (a multicellular organism) doesn't produce specialized reproductive cells that form new individuals before a certain point, and it takes live-birthed baby to grow for (generally) 12-15 years as an individual person before these cells are able to function for reproduction in the accepted sense of perpetuating the species.

the playing around with the idea that a blastocyst (a fertilized but not yet implanted pregnancy) is a human life because it reproduces itself (splits to form more than a single cell organism) is just word games. It applies as readily to a cancer growth, starting as a singular cell and drawing nourishment from the host body, duplicating its cells to grow a.k 'reproducing' just as it does to a virus

 

[butters]

and 'respiration':

Although fetal breathing movements begin as early as week 10 of pregnancy, they start in earnest starting at about week 20.

How Babies Breathe in the Womb: Fetal Lung Development - What t…​

www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/fetal-health/how-babies-breathe-womb

 

[ideological_imbroglio]

To be clear, I'm actually sympathetic to the argument that the US was built as a "culturally Christian" institution, in so much that so much of Western thought -- both at the time and up till today -- was (and is) dominated by Christian philosophy. But if you think Thomas Jefferson was thinking about the Bible instead of treatises by Locke while composing the Declaration of Independence, I am left to presume you have never read any of these documents.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Now put your glasses on. Where did I state that our founding fathers were all Christians. I didn’t. Some were atheists. What I wrote was our country was founded on Judeo Christian values.

There are no "Judeo-Christian" values. Judaism and Christianity are different religions with radically different practices and beliefs.

 

[ideological_imbroglio]

There are no "Judeo-Christian" values. Judaism and Christianity are different religions with radically different practices and beliefs.

"Judeo-Christian" is the narrative equivalent of me breaking into the library and scribbling the name of my sexy Legolas/Frodo fanfic under the title of every copy of The Lord of the Rings

 

[Rightguide]

I hope the courts work on banning back surgery next, so that you might "share the pain".
This would also include banning wheelchairs.

When Democrat DEI encompasses the nation's medical schools and DEI medical degrees are handed out like candy at Halloween and stethoscopes doubled as fashion accessories, a peculiar phenomenon sweeps across the nation. Imagine, if you will, surgical theaters bustling with activity, not with seasoned professionals clad in scrubs, but with characters straight out of Literotica.

Picture this: Dr. RobDownSouth, renowned for his 22 years of medical failure and uncanny ability to mix up a scalpel with a spoon confidently strides into the operating room, his stethoscope tangled around his neck like a misunderstood fashion statement. Beside him, Nurse Butters, whose medical expertise extends to breast ptosis and cellulite mitigation moves into position to cheerfully assist with the surgery.

On the other side of the table is Nurse Fap, known for her penchant for melodrama, who dramatically faints at the sight of blood, leaving the bewildered patient to wonder if they’re in the middle of a medical procedure or a Shakespearean tragedy. yes the great Marxist future the Democrats are planning along with DEI will put an end to this thing we call American meritocracy.

 

[icanhelp1]

Except it really wasn't.

Our country was actually founded on making money and avoiding religious prosecution.

Our government was constructed using British common law, the Magna Carta, the Mayflower Compact, the Virginia Declaration and the Federalist Papers.

Once again you’re conflating systems with values. In the beginning I know our judicial system, constitutional design took many ideas from British common law. Those systems are a way to promote and live within our values. Our constitution is our nations fundamental law. It is a way to enforce our core values.

 

[adrina]

Once again you’re conflating systems with values. In the beginning I know our judicial system, constitutional design took many ideas from British common law. Those systems are a way to promote and live within our values. Our constitution is our nations fundamental law. It is a way to enforce our core values.

No. Ironically you are. If you want to make the argument that American religious culture has ties to and roots in Christianity then your statement is accurate. You're trying to say the country was based on Christianity. It was not.

If you're going to argue against precision then you should be precise. You're just being a stubborn dumbass who is trying to assert some weird moral and intellectual superiority based on your erroneous assumptions.

 

[ideological_imbroglio]

Once again you’re conflating systems with values. In the beginning I know our judicial system, constitutional design took many ideas from British common law. Those systems are a way to promote and live within our values. Our constitution is our nations fundamental law. It is a way to enforce our core values.

Here.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp

Pay specific attention to this part. And remember: This was approved unanimously:

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-

Do you think the "founding fathers" were stupid, or do you think they were liars?

 

[Rightguide]

There are no "Judeo-Christian" values. Judaism and Christianity are different religions with radically different practices and beliefs.

The term “Judeo-Christian” values refers to the shared beliefs and ethical systems of Judaism and Christianity. These values are based on the belief in one God and include principles such as justice, mercy, human dignity, and moral responsibility. The relationship between the two is rooted in Christianity’s recognition of Jewish scripture as part of its own Bible and the shared historical and theological link.

Though no known Jew signed either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution the majority of those who did were Christians and as we know the teachings of Christianity were those of Jesus Christ, who was a Jew.

 

[butters]

Here.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp

Pay specific attention to this part. And remember: This was approved unanimously:




Do you think the "founding fathers" were stupid, or do you think they were liars?

i hope jaysecrets notices your post they're another one that screams they value information yet also seems to believe the bible wasn't written by men (hundreds of years after the death of 'Jesus')

 

[ideological_imbroglio]

The term “Judeo-Christian” values refers to the shared beliefs and ethical systems of Judaism and Christianity. These values are based on the belief in one God and include principles such as justice, mercy, human dignity, and moral responsibility. The relationship between the two is rooted in Christianity’s recognition of Jewish scripture as part of its own Bible and the shared historical and theological link.

Though no known Jew signed either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution the majority of those who did were Christians and as we know the teachings of Christianity were those of Jesus Christ, who was a Jew.

It's still hilarious to me how the only Jew a Christian can ever cite as agreeing with them is one who's been dead for two thousand years.

You can't write a fanfic of Judaism and then declare that it's part of the canon. Don't put your weird Christian shit on Jewish people; they got their own shit to sort out.

 

[Rightguide]

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...american-law/39E532D9E73E879B7BDD78C10D227F1A

One of the more beautiful and impressive structures in Washington, D.C., is the neo-classical Supreme Court building, located just east of the Capitol. Upon entering the marble columned courtroom, a hallowed place where notions of law and justice have been defined for more than sixty years, one's eyes are inevitably drawn to the frieze that borders the ceiling some fifty feet above. Encircling the courtroom from a lofty perch, as if symbolizing a heavenly host, are the carved images of eighteen great law-givers, ranging from Hammurabi and Justinian to Blackstone. In the very center of the relief, high over the seat of the Chief Justice, is a symbolic figure balancing a rounded tablet containing ten Roman numerals. The image is as unmistakable as the message it portrays: the Ten Commandments, a religious document central to Jewish and Christian faiths, is being offered as a primary source of American law.

It is axiomatic that many of the principles contained in the Ten Commandments are fundamental to the Western legal tradition. Prohibitions on murder, theft, and perjury are found in nearly every legal code. Notions of respect for one's parents and admonitions against adultery are also implicit, if not explicit, in the quasi-legal realm of normative rules that order many societies. Few people, if any, would dispute that the Ten Commandments—and its parallels from other ancient cultures—as well as other directives contained in the Pentateuch of the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures, inform our notions of right and wrong and, as such, have influenced the development of Western law of which the American legal system is part.

One could explore the significance of the “The Apotheosis of Washington” painted on the ceiling of the Capitol dome as well, and how it might collide with the Marxist values today's Democrats insist we accept.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The term “Judeo-Christian” values refers to the shared beliefs and ethical systems of Judaism and Christianity. These values are based on the belief in one God and include principles such as justice, mercy, human dignity, and moral responsibility. The relationship between the two is rooted in Christianity’s recognition of Jewish scripture as part of its own Bible and the shared historical and theological link.

Though no known Jew signed either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution the majority of those who did were Christians and as we know the teachings of Christianity were those of Jesus Christ, who was a Jew.

Christians cite Torah portions out of context without understanding their original meaning. They also assume that the law is a set of general moral precepts that apply to everyone instead of recognizing it's merely the rules for Jews, not gentiles.

 

[ideological_imbroglio]

Christians cite Torah portions out of context without understanding their original meaning. They also assume that the law is a set of general moral precepts that apply to everyone instead of recognizing it's merely the rules for Jews, not gentiles.

Also, we all know that the only reason Christians are so weird about Judaism is because they wrote a really shitty fanfic a few thousand years ago and are STILL upset that the original authors didn't immediately jump on it.

I will never get over just how hilarious that is. Most of Christian history (particularly in relation to Judaism) can be understood as a really weird and creepy fan who gets VIOLENTLY upset that you won't accept his head canon.

 

[Rightguide]

It's still hilarious to me how the only Jew a Christian can ever cite as agreeing with them is one who's been dead for two thousand years.

You can't write a fanfic of Judaism and then declare that it's part of the canon. Don't put your weird Christian shit on Jewish people; they got their own shit to sort out.

Well, the Jews did conspire with their Roman oppressors to crucify one of their own so I guess there's a message in that as well. I don't see myself or the Christians putting "weird Christian shit on Jewish people." because as I stated and you didn't understand, "the relationship between the two is rooted in Christianity’s recognition of Jewish scripture as part of its own Bible and the shared historical and theological link."

 

[ideological_imbroglio]

Well, the Jews did conspire with their Roman oppressors to crucify one of their own so I guess there's a message in that as well. I don't see myself or the Christians putting "weird Christian shit on Jewish people." because as I stated and you didn't understand, "the relationship between the two is rooted in Christianity’s recognition of Jewish scripture as part of its own Bible and the shared historical and theological link."

Funny how it's only Christianity's recognition of that link, huh?

 

[Rightguide]

Christians cite Torah portions out of context without understanding their original meaning. They also assume that the law is a set of general moral precepts that apply to everyone instead of recognizing it's merely the rules for Jews, not gentiles.

If they do it's their religious belief that does so. They aren't claiming to be Jews. They like all other religions on earth have their own religious beliefs and strictures as well as interpretations of history.