Max Hardcore

[Lancecastor]

The yin and the yang of sex is humilition/degradation, light and dark, good and evil, love and sacrifice. Pain and pleasure, for some. To take one without the other - to try to convince yourself that sex is all goodness and light, a purely physical pleasure, like eating or sleeping - is to deny the friction that makes sex explosive - that makes it pleasurable, and more than just pleasure, but an obsession in the first place.

So should subversive sex be suppressed?
Absolutely.

The yin and yang of LIFE is a continuing series of choices between our light and shadow sides, it can be argued.

That being said, having entertainment channels for our shadow sides to live within can appease and/or bring them to the fore.

It varies, person by person.

I stay out of casinos, for example. Why? Because the few times I've ever gone to one, I get sucked in by the appeal to my greedy side and wind up emptying my wallet.

Some people can apparently go and drop 40 bux and treat it like a nite at the movies.

For all the times I've seen the "Captain Stabbin's Anal Adventures" banner ad on Lit's front page....I've never clicked through.

Max Hardcore....same thing, for me. No interest.

Max hardly requires lengthy posts on mysgony....or the philosexical societal implications of his body of work or his responsibility to show other ways to have sex.

He's a fuckfilm maker. One with a loyal following, I gather.

Some people think Peter Frampton is God.

I like Keith Richards, myself.

Heavy-duty reading, gang!

Cheers;

Lance

 

[Sandia]

Every time I click one of those ads, I spend so much time closing pop-ups it's really not worth it. As for casinos, I've only been once, but it was wonderful. It's like an alternate reality of glitzy wealth and drunken losers. The tension is palpable.

The whores are expensive though.
(J/k- I've never touched a whore.)

When I was in NY - did I mention I was in NY? - I was wandering back to the hotel room, drunk off my ass - and I managed to find a prostitute in Times Square! (At least, I think that's what she was - I didn't ask.) I wanted to take her picture, but I thought that she would mind.

How is the cabin on the lake?

 

[UCE]

Damn UCE! Bring it!

Bring what? This?

 

[UCE]

So should subversive sex be suppressed?
Absolutely.

Very good point! Can't think of anything else to add to that, except to agree that it's true. I used to talk to this very young guy from Scandinavia and he really couldn't grasp why Americans find "naughty" nudity, like nipple slips and upskirts so arousing. He said he grew up with his mom and her friends wandering around naked around him all the time, vacationed with his family at nude beaches, and saw lots of nudity in public in the summer where no one gave it a second glance, and a nude female figure or especially a partially nude one has no sexual bite for him. I felt kind of sorry for him, because he's missing a really big aspect of sexual fun. Long live good old USA Puritanism!

(This is a tiny point, but one other thing I kind of like about Max Hardcore porn is that it's always so bright and colorful and cheerful seeming: sharp California-style sunshine, girls in very colorful dresses and makeup, shiny shoes, pretty primary-colored furniture and sets, colorful sex toys, colorful expressions on his face AND on the girls', etc. )

The pic attached to this message is for people who don't know what we're talking about in this thread. I tried to choose one from my small Max Hardcore collection that's representative of him. If you want to explore more of Max Hardcore (or add to what you already have seen), a free place to get them online is at this Microsoft group:

http://groups.msn.com/wmaxh

(Note: you may need to get a hotmail account or sign up for a free microsoft "passport" to access a group like this.)

Notice that as you look at the material in the above group how silly and giggly most of his actresses seem to be. And when they look unhappy, most of the time it looks faked to me. I imagine he is a very funny man to work with.

Unda

 

[NemoAlia]

Well, since I did promise myself not to let this thread die completely without posting another reply, here goes!

UCE wrote:

In your book, yes. In my book, no. And if you kept it to your book, that would be fine.

I say, yes, truly yes! If only Max Hardcore would follow your advice... Instead, he generalizes about women as a whole, instead of keepin' it personal. When he implicitly includes me in his group of bitches who are getting what they deserve, I'm offended. I have a right to defend myself, and I intend to continue using it.

UCE wrote:

This is an example of the "people--particularly women--as innocent and unsuspecting victims" style of thinking that the intellectual elitists tend to adopt. YOU can think, YOU can be critical but the vast majority of morons out there cannot. Uh-uh. I don't buy it.

UCE, I believe that you and I have similarly negative opinions of that kind of logic. I am struck by the way that people who consider themselves the Kink Elite use this 'intellectual superiority and separateness' argument to justify their dual relationship with misogyny: being able to separate their sexual excitement from their social views, whereas most lowly plebes cannot. When I wrote:

...and almost every one of us believes that he/she is "smart enough" to make this distinction. However, if we are all capable of making this distinction, why do racism and misogyny still exist?

...it was my (perhaps over-subtle) attempt to dispel this egotistical fiction.

UCE wrote:

Sure, there are high-school age girls who might adopt misogyny if they thought it was cool and everybody was doing it, but highschool kids are liable to do that about any trend that seems popular. Later, they grow up, and decide for themselves what it is they actually like.

I disagree. I believe that people who are exposed (even if they choose to expose themselves) to misogyny or to any other worldview find it very difficult to break out of that pattern of behavior if they ever decide that they would like to change their minds.

I do, however, agree with UCE wholeheartedly when she writes:

I think that all you can do is put out, as reasonably and clearly as possible, your views about why such-and-such is bad and let people make up their own minds.

That has, after all, always been my intention. At no point have I ever meant to suggest that censorship is the best solution to any problem. I do not advocate censorship, since I do not believe that it is the responsibility of any group of adults to protect any other group of adults from their own weaknesses.

Hell, I don't even support 'sin taxes' on cigarettes!

So, when UCE wrote:

Freedom of speech is very important, and when you classify one type of speech or certain ideas as a "disease" that should be wiped out, as in your analogy, by stopping all forms of mainstream distribution of the ideas.

my gut response was to say: but I never said it should be "wiped out" or forcefully eradicated. I just said that I hoped one day people would decide (each person individually; no mandates -- even de facto ones) not to spread them. Wouldn't it be nice if we all lived in an ideal world? Of course, then, we'd all be very lonely, since we all have such different ideals. Still, at least we have 'em!

This ends my entirely too lengthy post. I hope I've made myself clear -- I'd hate to be misconstrued!

 

[Lancecastor]

How is the cabin on the lake?

Heaven. always.

 

[Marquis]

Another Golden Oldie from back in my days of youth.