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....very similar themes. The cheated husband is unimpeachably good. The wife is bad, and the lover is even worse, and the system works against the husband as well. ... Judges and lawyers make his lot worse. But the husband somehow outsmarts everybody and gets his revenge, and often meets a better woman who deserves him. I'd liken it to an erotic version of The Count of Monte Cristo or Rocky. The "humiliation" isn't the source of the reading pleasure in its own right; it serves as a backdrop to show how far the hero comes. He's laid low in the beginning, but he gets up off the mat, defeats his foes, and rises above his circumstances in the end.
That's summarizes my latest story! But it's more like Edgar Allen Poe's "The Cask of Amontillado".
 
I think, and it is just my opinion, LW is a tough nut to crack. Not even two swift kicks to the groin area does the job. No matter what you write, you usually can only please one-third of the readers. This ensures very few 4.5 or higher scores, and two-thirds of the loyal readership angry at you and more than ready to show it. But, again, there are a few writers, skilled, cunning authors, able to satisfy a larger readership. Splitting the cunt hairs fine, appealing to at least a significant portion of two of the LW dwellers and trolls. I can report, without fear of contradiction, I ain't one of them.
From what I've read of the "revenge against the cheating wife" stories, I think you are correct. The key isn't the humiliation; it's the resourcefulness and success of the cheated husband in the face of a tough situation. So many of the stories I've read in this category have very similar themes. The cheated husband is unimpeachably good. The wife is bad, and the lover is even worse, and the system works against the husband as well. Frequently, friends try to convince the cheated husband that he should accept his lot. Judges and lawyers make his lot worse. But the husband somehow outsmarts everybody and gets his revenge, and often meets a better woman who deserves him. I'd liken it to an erotic version of The Count of Monte Cristo or Rocky. The "humiliation" isn't the source of the reading pleasure in its own right; it serves as a backdrop to show how far the hero comes. He's laid low in the beginning, but he gets up off the mat, defeats his foes, and rises above his circumstances in the end.

The humiliation stories are a completely different kettle of fish. In those stories the reader gets erotic pleasure by reading about the man being humiliated. The reader roots FOR the humiliation, not against it.
 
I think, and it is just my opinion, LW is a tough nut to crack. Not even two swift kicks to the groin area does the job. No matter what you write, you usually can only please one-third of the readers. This ensures very few 4.5 or higher scores, and two-thirds of the loyal readership angry at you and more than ready to show it. But, again, there are a few writers, skilled, cunning authors, able to satisfy a larger readership. Splitting the cunt hairs fine, appealing to at least a significant portion of two of the LW dwellers and trolls. I can report, without fear of contradiction, I ain't one of them.

I think what you say about appealing to only a portion of the readership is true, but if you write a "revenge against the cheating wife" type of story I don't think you're as likely to encounter a problem, because the people who don't like those stories are less likely to read and vote on them. The stats indicate that plenty of those types of stories get decent scores. It's the other types of stories whose scores suffer.
 
Maybe I'll try that, but I don't like that kind of story myself. It would be an exercise in stretching rather than a passion of love. Perhaps I can write from a wife whose been wronged point of view... If I do it that way, all I can say is, there will be blood, there will be pain, there will be REVENGE!
I think what you say about appealing to only a portion of the readership is true, but if you write a "revenge against the cheating wife" type of story I don't think you're as likely to encounter a problem, because the people who don't like those stories are less likely to read and vote on them. The stats indicate that plenty of those types of stories get decent scores. It's the other types of stories whose scores suffer.
 
Maybe I'll try that, but I don't like that kind of story myself. It would be an exercise in stretching rather than a passion of love. Perhaps I can write from a wife whose been wronged point of view... If I do it that way, all I can say is, there will be blood, there will be pain, there will be REVENGE!
If you're going to go for it, here's my example. Back in 2012 (Wow.) was when I first caught wind of BTB stories-which btw for the most part were nowhere near as nasty as they are now- and they ticked me off.
I wrote a burn the bastard story. Husband is a jerk to begin with, out of shape, pays little attention to the wife, all the stereo types of the "real man" but has the nerve to complain that he thinks the wife looks at the young landscaper too much.

Then she finds out he's cheating, and in their bed thanks to the landscaper seeing what was going on and filming it. At one point while banging the other woman, he looks directly at their wedding photo on the nightstand and asks how do we look baby.

That became the title of the story, and I have her go full scorched Earth, and give the BTB treatment down to drugging him, then tying him up attaching a shock collar to him and zapping him any time he tries to look away while the landscaper fucks her senseless.

At one point she is kneeling on the husband's legs while the guy does her doggy, with her face inches from him, and the finishing touch is her jerking the guy off into her husband's face.

Now, let's get back to this being 2012 for a minute. I expected a total annihilation of this story, but at its worst it was still around 4.10 or so and somehow over the long years has slid up over 4.5. I suppose it had enough appeal to people who don't like any form of cheating to like it, but there were a lot of the "and then she let's him go and he goes to the police, or he gets her kidnapped and now they're telling BTB stories in my comments section.

But, if I dropped that same piece now? Even with the husband being the cheat? This thing would be lit up like the Fourth of July, which as I've proven I'm fine with, its worth the bombs and lame comments to get the turds frothing.

TBH, I'm not sure I liked the story myself all that much. I think I went a little too far, but the point wasn't about what I thought, it was handing the BTB scum their own crap served in their face. Its rough, its demeaning, its twisted, and its nasty, and all that would be fine today if it was being done to the woman.

The one memory the story brings back is an anon comment saying that they lived in Mass-I think I had RI in my bio back then-and they were going to find me, beat me, rape me, and pour acid into my diseased cunt as they thought only a woman would write that. That's the crowd there now times ten. Its not all the folks over there, but that type's number is growing despite what the delusional defenders of the category claim.

But in the end, we all know what they'll do, and that's nothing but yap.

There's some Tik Tok guy my wife likes to watch who cooks and travels to different restaurants, and always ends his vids with "Bon Appetito bitch!"

I wish I'd heard that back then, I'd have left in my author's note. But who is to say I don't do another like to at some point.
 
But, if I dropped that same piece now? Even with the husband being the cheat? This thing would be lit up like the Fourth of July, which as I've proven I'm fine with, its worth the bombs and lame comments to get the turds frothing.
This is where we disagree.

I think you're making assumptions without evidence. That's why I test the waters in LW to see where their heads are at.

I posted one of my 750-word stories (out of 12 different ones) in February to see where their ratings would lead, and "The Teacher" was about the swinger neighbor wife talking to the innocent younger wife about the younger wife's cheating husband.

I'm an admittedly crappy writer, but that story was one of my better rated ones out of all in LW at 3.64/713 with 16K views. (Those 750-word stories ranged from 2.25 to 3.87.)

There are many different nuisances in any story which might trigger people. So, to say THIS IS IT is an extremely simplistic and judgmental view without evidence. To really understand the audience reactions takes analysis of more subtle variations in the possible triggers.

My latest story went full BDSM abusing women to torment the cheating wife. And it's only rating at 3.47/147 on the first day. So, I'll see where that goes in the future, and what the comments indicate. But it's never going to get anywhere near a Red-H. Now is that because I'm a shitty writer? Or is it because of other triggers in the story?

Unless there are authors willing to test those waters with MORE variations such is Millie suggests, then it's just an unsubstantiated opinion.
 
This is where we disagree.

I think you're making assumptions without evidence. That's why I test the waters in LW to see where their heads are at.

I posted one of my 750-word stories (out of 12 different ones) in February to see where their ratings would lead, and "The Teacher" was about the swinger neighbor wife talking to the innocent younger wife about the younger wife's cheating husband.

I'm an admittedly crappy writer, but that story was one of my better rated ones out of all in LW at 3.64/713 with 16K views. (Those 750-word stories ranged from 2.25 to 3.87.)

There are many different nuisances in any story which might trigger people. So, to say THIS IS IT is an extremely simplistic and judgmental view without evidence. To really understand the audience reactions takes analysis of more subtle variations in the possible triggers.

My latest story went full BDSM abusing women to torment the cheating wife. And it's only rating at 3.47/147 on the first day. So, I'll see where that goes in the future, and what the comments indicate. But it's never going to get anywhere near a Red-H. Now is that because I'm a shitty writer? Or is it because of other triggers in the story?

Unless there are authors willing to test those waters with MORE variations such is Millie suggests, then it's just an unsubstantiated opinion.
If I were talking two years ago to now, I'd say you might have a point about knowing there would be a difference.

I wrote that story 12 years ago. I've seen shifts in other categories as far as what is more and less popular over time, and LW has always been an extreme, and if you say the BTB/Incel crowd hasn't gotten much larger, louder and nastier, then I don't know what you're looking at.

I had a story annihilated last year that wasn't as bad as what I wrote years ago so I am pretty sure I'm reading the room correctly.

But tell you what, I have one I'll be dropping soon where the husband cheats and the wife fucks partly to keep his adultery out of the papers-he's a politician running for office-part for revenge. So we can see.
issue is in this case in the past they were a hotwife stag couple. She had other men, but always with his green light and him always there. Sometimes just watching, then taking his turn, other times joining in. So I think the story is going to grab some of the "well, no matter what, she's a whore and he's a sick cuck for letting her be" trolling.

So, as you see, I am aware of different triggers, and LW has more triggers than a gun store.

You write what you want and often take a beating which you're fine with.

The ones chasing the H's there are carefully pandering and writing to a tight formula. Which is about the only way to succeed score wise

We have different views, but what we have in common is we'll write what we want even if its the erotica version of falling on one's sword.
 
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But tell you what, I have one I'll be dropping soon where the husband cheats and the wife fucks partly to keep his adultery out of the papers-he's a politician running for office-part for revenge. So we can see.
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Well, I think your story is going to be panned by the LW haters, not because they're misogynists, but because they just hate cheaters. In your case, the wife is resorting to cheating, too! And that undermines the "holier-than-thou" aggrieved spouse!

Millie's version of a husband cheating, and the innocent wife getting extreme and bloody revenge would be the better test.

In my own latest BTB story, I thought the husband would be applauded for his burning the ex and driving her insane. But I'm now getting comments that his sharing his new BDSM fetish GF (to get the abusive videos) is just as bad and the story's getting 1-bombed for that! So, it's "back to the drawing board"!

It's the subtle triggers!
 
I think, and it is just my opinion, LW is a tough nut to crack. Not even two swift kicks to the groin area does the job. No matter what you write, you usually can only please one-third of the readers. This ensures very few 4.5 or higher scores, and two-thirds of the loyal readership angry at you and more than ready to show it. But, again, there are a few writers, skilled, cunning authors, able to satisfy a larger readership. Splitting the cunt hairs fine, appealing to at least a significant portion of two of the LW dwellers and trolls. I can report, without fear of contradiction, I ain't one of them.
I just fill em up with sex. Works alright.
 
I'll post this and be done with it, I've never posted a story in Loving Wives. Somehow I had definitely ruffled some feathers, although I can't for the life of me figure out where/why? The one time I posted something and didn't explain myself very clearly, I made a point to return, and clear that up.
That being said, I posted a few things looking for understanding/opinions, certainly never being judgmental and very quickly everyone of the few stories I've published got bombed.

The world has plenty of petty people, it's no different on an internet forum.

Okay, so why would I give a shit?

I care because I'm not a Writer, what I do in my normal life is light-years away from writing and I'm guilty of wanting to write stories that people enjoy, those ratings gave me both the motivation to continue writing, and also gave me a pretty decent idea of how much traffic the stories received (in spite of there not truly being a 'xxxx users have actually read this story.) which I intended to use to decide which categories to possibly concentrate on.

I could take the opinion of not caring if people rate or comment, but then why would I go through the trouble of writing and publishing stories on the internet if not for feedback? I could just keep the stories on my computer and call it good. In any case, I'll slip back into the shadows, and call this a teachable moment.
AsheCollins, I wrote a story that you marked as a Favorite. Thank you. I don't check the reactions often so I just came upon across your name. I followed it to your explanation of intemperate criticism of your own story. I'm sorry to learn about this. The internet is a fabulous thing, but it has big open cesspools all over the place. You can say you favor good and oppose evil, and some rabid bozo will fling his feces at you.

I just wanted to say don't let the bastards grind you down. If you want to write, you should write. Be grateful for constructive criticism, if it's offered, and dismiss the dipshits. Easy to say, I know, and I don't discount the misery such people can cause you. If you hang in there, you'll find that Literotica has loads of nice people, too. Many of them are fine writers and knowledgable readers who may offer helpful suggestions. Best wishes to you.
 
I tried throwing everything into this one, discussing monogamy, cheating wives, female agency, fragile male egos, hot wives, cuckolds, stag-vixens, open marriages, and even BBCs (without the racism!) I even carefully balanced the husband and wife's extra-marital one-night-stands at six each over a one-year period by the end of the story (making it seem like only OCCASSIONAL extra-marital fun.)

So far, the ten comments on "His Vixen" are not as disparaging as usual, with about 6 or 7 being positive. Even the negative comments are toned down! And it's at 3.28 with 118 votes on the third day, That's actually rather good for a Loving Wives story with my shitty style of writing!

I think the more positive reception may be due to the MFC's first person POV showing how much she's focused on her husband, even to the point of pushing him to have more fun, while she decides to stop her own extra-marital sex. 26thNC even thought it a decent story until he reached the BBC part, then saying it went downhill. (I threw that in deliberately to try showing a story including race, while avoiding the "white husbands are racists". It heads of the commenters saying, "Wait until she goes Black!")

I think this adds evidence to the LW haters just HATING the extra-marital sex because they adamantly prefer monogamy.
 
Maybe, but they shouldn't read in the category knowing what LW is all about. But they do, so you have to ask yourself, why do they do such a thing when they know they will hate what they read?
I think this adds evidence to the LW haters just HATING the extra-marital sex because they adamantly prefer monogamy.
 
Maybe, but they shouldn't read in the category knowing what LW is all about. But they do, so you have to ask yourself, why do they do such a thing when they know they will hate what they read?
I think I've pointed out a reason previously.

Literotica provides a free site to find erotic stories for all different types of fetishes and desires. I can imagine there are some divorced males (and females) who were on the losing end of a cheating spouse in their marriage.

So, where in all of the category descriptions on LitE's page might they find a story about a cheating spouse getting caught, and receiving retribution for the cheating?

Those who have been wronged in their prior marriages probably descend on Loving Wives. It's their real-life experiences which shape their opinions.
 
I'd suggest they read all the tags before deciding to read the story, especially after the first time they get burned. If it doesn't say "revenge," they should give it a pass and move on if vengeance is what they are searching for. You're missing that the same reader reads the same author every time they post a story there and leaves derogatory remarks mainly aimed at the writer as a person. Loving Wives here is not the only place on the net uses that tag or category for cuckold & wittle stories. Even at Amazon, you can find a lot of stories about cheating wives just using Loving Wives or Loving Wife as your search parameter.
I think I've pointed out a reason previously.

Literotica provides a free site to find erotic stories for all different types of fetishes and desires. I can imagine there are some divorced males (and females) who were on the losing end of a cheating spouse in their marriage.

So, where in all of the category descriptions on LitE's page might they find a story about a cheating spouse getting caught, and receiving retribution for the cheating?

Those who have been wronged in their prior marriages probably descend on Loving Wives. It's their real-life experiences which shape their opinions.
 
I'd suggest they read all the tags before deciding to read the story, especially after the first time they get burned. If it doesn't say "revenge," they should give it a pass and move on if vengeance is what they are searching for. You're missing that the same reader reads the same author every time they post a story there and leaves derogatory remarks mainly aimed at the writer as a person. Loving Wives here is not the only place on the net uses that tag or category for cuckold & wittle stories. Even at Amazon, you can find a lot of stories about cheating wives just using Loving Wives or Loving Wife as your search parameter.
Unfortunately, people are who they are, and their desires and opinions are shaped by their experiences (for good or bad).

In my story, I have the characters debating the use of terms like "cuckold" and "slut", using those as judgmental insults.

I can imagine a guy finding out that his wife "cheated" by having sex with another man, and 'in a perfect world', he might not hold a negative opinion, just accept it, and remain married to her. Maybe she's sterile and can't get pregnant, and she takes care of all of her husband's sex needs. BUT in our real world, he is labeled a "cuckold". He is FORCED by the name-calling judgmental types to decide: divorce the "slut" to remove that stigma or accept it. He is FORCED to either grant her "agency" to make her own sexual choices since it's her body and her rules, or call her a "slut" to defend himself from everyone who would use that disparaging term labeling him a "cuckold".

People don't like to be forced to do anything. And those who have been forced to make such a choice aren't inclined to be very forgiving.

Do YOU think the husband would be a "cuckold" if he remained married to a wife who cheated?

EDIT: As for looking at the tags, ... I don't look at the tags first for new stories. I use tags to find stories, when I'm looking for something specific. I tend to just READ when a title or description grabs my attention.
 
Here are some of Mary's (@theWollstonecraftWoman) story titles and descriptions. Can anyone not know what the story is about?


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Either the title or description (or both) tells anyone all they need to know to decide not to read the story. She doesn't post in loving wives because of the trolls. Still, those who post hatefully about the writer in Loving Wives have managed to do the same to her. Again, on these stories, since they aren't in LW, the reader was looking for what they got and felt the need to brand her as cheating whore in open remarks for the Literotica world to read.
 

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Either the title or description (or both) tells anyone all they need to know to decide not to read the story. She doesn't post in loving wives because of the trolls. Still, those who post hatefully about the writer in Loving Wives have managed to do the same to her. Again, on these stories, since they aren't in LW, the reader was looking for what they got and felt the need to brand her as cheating whore in open remarks for the Literotica world to read.
I agree.

But you are trying to tell someone (the troll) who had a damaging and traumatic experience to "get over it and stop doing what you're doing!"

They're looking for stories of "cheating" wives and seeing how others are dealing with the situation. In their minds, "cheating" entails ANY extra-marital sex, even consensual, because they believe marriage is a vow to be monogamous. So, to those "monogamous-only" types, all of those titles are "cheating" wives. And they are driven by their own traumatic failed relationship to applaud or punish others for the same lack of monogamy.

In my latest story about the Stag-Vixen, I expect that those monogamy-only types will 1-bomb it. It's who they are, and I don't hate them for it.

EDIT: BTW, I've been labeled a "femdom" author by some. I wear that with pride. One comment on "The Fucking Bitch!" is:
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Typican [sic] expression of menhating content, as usual here in LW.
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(And that story, when read carefully, is about a MONOGAMOUS couple!)
 
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I'm monogamous and take my marriage vows quite seriously. All I'm asking them is not to attack the writers. All I'm asking them is not to seek out stories they absolutely know in advance --- they will hate --- to one-bomb the author and make hateful comments about them as a person. I'm asking them to behave like an adult, not 12-year-olds. I'm asking them to accept they aren't the only one that matters in the world and that their hateful behavior isn't a good thing. It isn't a righteous thing, and it isn't something to be proud of. They go out of their way to find stories offensive to them in order, and with the specific intent, to shame those who enjoy such stories and those who write them.

Defend them if you feel you must, defend them if you want. Don't expect me or others who have received comments about our life that ae a) untrue, b) made to hurt us, c) shows their assholeyness, and made out of spite to be as understanding as you. I have had great betrayals in my life, I don't shame those who write about them. I don't make disparaging remarks on stories about happy incest between fathers and daughters.
 
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I'm monogamous and take my marriage vows quite seriously. All I'm asking them is not to attack the writers. All I'm asking them is not to seek out stories they absolutely know in advance --- they will hate --- to one-bomb the author and make hateful comments about them as a person. I'm asking them to behave like an adult, not 12 year old. I'm asking them to accept they aren't the only one that matters in the world and that their hateful behavior isn't a good thing. It isn't a righteous thing, and it isn't something to be proud of. They go out of their way to find stories offensive to them in order, and with the specific intent, to shame those who enjoy such stories and those who write them.

Defend them if you feel you must, defend them if you want. Don't expect me or others who have received comments about our life that is a) untrue, b) made to hurt us, c) shows their assholeyness, and made out of spite.
I'm not asking YOU to accept anything. And I'm not defending anyone for their assholeyness.

I'm merely trying to answer the question you posed which is 'why they look for such stories and attack with their comments.'

They're damaged people, traumatized by their real-life situations. And I've resolved to not get angry over it. This is their way of handling it. They can 1-bomb and HATE my stories ... if it makes them feel better.
 
I don't leave comments directed at the writer. I leave their comments about the stories, and I don't care one way or the other about those. It is only when they attack the writer that I get upset. One bombing isn't something we can control.
I'm not asking YOU to accept anything. And I'm not defending anyone for their assholeyness.

I'm merely trying to answer the question you posed which is 'why they look for such stories and attack with their comments.'

They're damaged people, traumatized by their real-life situations. And I've resolved to not get angry over it. This is their way of handling it. They can 1-bomb and HATE my stories ... if it makes them feel better.
 
I don't leave comments directed at the writer. I leave their comments about the stories, and I don't care one way or the other about those. It is only when they attack the writer that I get upset. One bombing isn't something we can control.
But ... you said I "defended" them, merely because I try to explain their reasoning. Isn't that "attacking" me for something I've written?

They are going after the source of the stories which trigger them.

If I write something which triggers an emotional response from you, do you hate that which I wrote? Or do you hate the one who wrote it?

I'm merely trying to point out that when we write something which provokes a strong emotional reaction, ... we get what we were aiming to get: an EMOTIONAL reaction. I just consider such strong emotional attacks, even when personal against me, as a plus. I got to them!

As Captain Jack Sparrow says in Pirates of the Caribbean: "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude toward the problem."
 
I don't hate what people write about the story. I hate what they write about me in connection to the story. I hate them making the assumption that writing about adultery or anything else sexual is saying anything one way or the other about morality. I write about murderers as well. Does writing about murder make me a murderer? Does writing about cheating, sans bad consequences or not, make me a cheater, and do they have a right to say I am absent all knowledge about who I am?

If so, okay, that's their right, and it is my right to delete it and the comment accusing me of deleting their hateful trial about me.

And as to Jack Sparrow and the problem. Jack Sparrow was the problem. The problem isn't them expressing their anger over no consequences, and 't'sn't their expressing their ill or bad feelings about the story not going their way. The issue, as you point out, is their attitude that I should be tar and feathered for having the Gaul to displease them. Their attitude about me being a bad, bad, bad person because I didn't do what they wanted me to do.

And when you say it's because of where they are coming from, that they've lived through that problem, it is a defense of them. I get it, but it isn't my fault. They shouldn't read and comment on my stories after the first one if they don't like what I write.

The real problem for them is they want to be offended. They seek out writers they know will offend them. That isn't someone whose pride has been wounded; that's someone who revels in their wounds.
But ... you said I "defended" them, merely because I try to explain their reasoning. Isn't that "attacking" me for something I've written?

They are going after the source of the stories which trigger them.

If I write something which triggers an emotional response from you, do you hate that which I wrote? Or do you hate the one who wrote it?

I'm merely trying to point out that when we write something which provokes a strong emotional reaction, ... we get what we were aiming to get: an EMOTIONAL reaction. I just consider such strong emotional attacks, even when personal against me, as a plus. I got to them!

As Captain Jack Sparrow says in Pirates of the Caribbean: "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude toward the problem."
 
I support their right to criticize my story, to criticize my writing style, or to tell me I'm a shit writer, but when they attack me as a human being, they've gone too far no matter how upset a story makes them. And no, @Lifestyle66, I don't understand that when they do not matter their fucking pain. And it isn't my job to forgive them of that offense or tell them I get why they attack me, when I can't.
 
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