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[Lifestyle66]

....very similar themes. The cheated husband is unimpeachably good. The wife is bad, and the lover is even worse, and the system works against the husband as well. ... Judges and lawyers make his lot worse. But the husband somehow outsmarts everybody and gets his revenge, and often meets a better woman who deserves him. I'd liken it to an erotic version of The Count of Monte Cristo or Rocky. The "humiliation" isn't the source of the reading pleasure in its own right; it serves as a backdrop to show how far the hero comes. He's laid low in the beginning, but he gets up off the mat, defeats his foes, and rises above his circumstances in the end.

That's summarizes my latest story! But it's more like Edgar Allen Poe's "The Cask of Amontillado".

 

[TheWritingGroup]

That's summarizes my latest story! But it's more like Edgar Allen Poe's "The Cask of Amontillado".

Now that you mention it, that's the "B" plot of a series Annie's doing (and I'm workshopping).

-Rocco

 

[MillieDynamite]

I think, and it is just my opinion, LW is a tough nut to crack. Not even two swift kicks to the groin area does the job. No matter what you write, you usually can only please one-third of the readers. This ensures very few 4.5 or higher scores, and two-thirds of the loyal readership angry at you and more than ready to show it. But, again, there are a few writers, skilled, cunning authors, able to satisfy a larger readership. Splitting the cunt hairs fine, appealing to at least a significant portion of two of the LW dwellers and trolls. I can report, without fear of contradiction, I ain't one of them.

From what I've read of the "revenge against the cheating wife" stories, I think you are correct. The key isn't the humiliation; it's the resourcefulness and success of the cheated husband in the face of a tough situation. So many of the stories I've read in this category have very similar themes. The cheated husband is unimpeachably good. The wife is bad, and the lover is even worse, and the system works against the husband as well. Frequently, friends try to convince the cheated husband that he should accept his lot. Judges and lawyers make his lot worse. But the husband somehow outsmarts everybody and gets his revenge, and often meets a better woman who deserves him. I'd liken it to an erotic version of The Count of Monte Cristo or Rocky. The "humiliation" isn't the source of the reading pleasure in its own right; it serves as a backdrop to show how far the hero comes. He's laid low in the beginning, but he gets up off the mat, defeats his foes, and rises above his circumstances in the end.

The humiliation stories are a completely different kettle of fish. In those stories the reader gets erotic pleasure by reading about the man being humiliated. The reader roots FOR the humiliation, not against it.

 

[SimonDoom]

I think, and it is just my opinion, LW is a tough nut to crack. Not even two swift kicks to the groin area does the job. No matter what you write, you usually can only please one-third of the readers. This ensures very few 4.5 or higher scores, and two-thirds of the loyal readership angry at you and more than ready to show it. But, again, there are a few writers, skilled, cunning authors, able to satisfy a larger readership. Splitting the cunt hairs fine, appealing to at least a significant portion of two of the LW dwellers and trolls. I can report, without fear of contradiction, I ain't one of them.

I think what you say about appealing to only a portion of the readership is true, but if you write a "revenge against the cheating wife" type of story I don't think you're as likely to encounter a problem, because the people who don't like those stories are less likely to read and vote on them. The stats indicate that plenty of those types of stories get decent scores. It's the other types of stories whose scores suffer.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Maybe I'll try that, but I don't like that kind of story myself. It would be an exercise in stretching rather than a passion of love. Perhaps I can write from a wife whose been wronged point of view... If I do it that way, all I can say is, there will be blood, there will be pain, there will be REVENGE!

I think what you say about appealing to only a portion of the readership is true, but if you write a "revenge against the cheating wife" type of story I don't think you're as likely to encounter a problem, because the people who don't like those stories are less likely to read and vote on them. The stats indicate that plenty of those types of stories get decent scores. It's the other types of stories whose scores suffer.

 

[lovecraft68]

Maybe I'll try that, but I don't like that kind of story myself. It would be an exercise in stretching rather than a passion of love. Perhaps I can write from a wife whose been wronged point of view... If I do it that way, all I can say is, there will be blood, there will be pain, there will be REVENGE!

If you're going to go for it, here's my example. Back in 2012 (Wow.) was when I first caught wind of BTB stories-which btw for the most part were nowhere near as nasty as they are now- and they ticked me off.
I wrote a burn the bastard story. Husband is a jerk to begin with, out of shape, pays little attention to the wife, all the stereo types of the "real man" but has the nerve to complain that he thinks the wife looks at the young landscaper too much.

Then she finds out he's cheating, and in their bed thanks to the landscaper seeing what was going on and filming it. At one point while banging the other woman, he looks directly at their wedding photo on the nightstand and asks how do we look baby.

That became the title of the story, and I have her go full scorched Earth, and give the BTB treatment down to drugging him, then tying him up attaching a shock collar to him and zapping him any time he tries to look away while the landscaper fucks her senseless.

At one point she is kneeling on the husband's legs while the guy does her doggy, with her face inches from him, and the finishing touch is her jerking the guy off into her husband's face.

Now, let's get back to this being 2012 for a minute. I expected a total annihilation of this story, but at its worst it was still around 4.10 or so and somehow over the long years has slid up over 4.5. I suppose it had enough appeal to people who don't like any form of cheating to like it, but there were a lot of the "and then she let's him go and he goes to the police, or he gets her kidnapped and now they're telling BTB stories in my comments section.

But, if I dropped that same piece now? Even with the husband being the cheat? This thing would be lit up like the Fourth of July, which as I've proven I'm fine with, its worth the bombs and lame comments to get the turds frothing.

TBH, I'm not sure I liked the story myself all that much. I think I went a little too far, but the point wasn't about what I thought, it was handing the BTB scum their own crap served in their face. Its rough, its demeaning, its twisted, and its nasty, and all that would be fine today if it was being done to the woman.

The one memory the story brings back is an anon comment saying that they lived in Mass-I think I had RI in my bio back then-and they were going to find me, beat me, rape me, and pour acid into my diseased cunt as they thought only a woman would write that. That's the crowd there now times ten. Its not all the folks over there, but that type's number is growing despite what the delusional defenders of the category claim.

But in the end, we all know what they'll do, and that's nothing but yap.

There's some Tik Tok guy my wife likes to watch who cooks and travels to different restaurants, and always ends his vids with "Bon Appetito bitch!"

I wish I'd heard that back then, I'd have left in my author's note. But who is to say I don't do another like to at some point.

 

[Lifestyle66]

But, if I dropped that same piece now? Even with the husband being the cheat? This thing would be lit up like the Fourth of July, which as I've proven I'm fine with, its worth the bombs and lame comments to get the turds frothing.

This is where we disagree.

I think you're making assumptions without evidence. That's why I test the waters in LW to see where their heads are at.

I posted one of my 750-word stories (out of 12 different ones) in February to see where their ratings would lead, and "The Teacher" was about the swinger neighbor wife talking to the innocent younger wife about the younger wife's cheating husband.

I'm an admittedly crappy writer, but that story was one of my better rated ones out of all in LW at 3.64/713 with 16K views. (Those 750-word stories ranged from 2.25 to 3.87.)

There are many different nuisances in any story which might trigger people. So, to say THIS IS IT is an extremely simplistic and judgmental view without evidence. To really understand the audience reactions takes analysis of more subtle variations in the possible triggers.

My latest story went full BDSM abusing women to torment the cheating wife. And it's only rating at 3.47/147 on the first day. So, I'll see where that goes in the future, and what the comments indicate. But it's never going to get anywhere near a Red-H. Now is that because I'm a shitty writer? Or is it because of other triggers in the story?

Unless there are authors willing to test those waters with MORE variations such is Millie suggests, then it's just an unsubstantiated opinion.

 

[lovecraft68]

This is where we disagree.

I think you're making assumptions without evidence. That's why I test the waters in LW to see where their heads are at.

I posted one of my 750-word stories (out of 12 different ones) in February to see where their ratings would lead, and "The Teacher" was about the swinger neighbor wife talking to the innocent younger wife about the younger wife's cheating husband.

I'm an admittedly crappy writer, but that story was one of my better rated ones out of all in LW at 3.64/713 with 16K views. (Those 750-word stories ranged from 2.25 to 3.87.)

There are many different nuisances in any story which might trigger people. So, to say THIS IS IT is an extremely simplistic and judgmental view without evidence. To really understand the audience reactions takes analysis of more subtle variations in the possible triggers.

My latest story went full BDSM abusing women to torment the cheating wife. And it's only rating at 3.47/147 on the first day. So, I'll see where that goes in the future, and what the comments indicate. But it's never going to get anywhere near a Red-H. Now is that because I'm a shitty writer? Or is it because of other triggers in the story?

Unless there are authors willing to test those waters with MORE variations such is Millie suggests, then it's just an unsubstantiated opinion.

If I were talking two years ago to now, I'd say you might have a point about knowing there would be a difference.

I wrote that story 12 years ago. I've seen shifts in other categories as far as what is more and less popular over time, and LW has always been an extreme, and if you say the BTB/Incel crowd hasn't gotten much larger, louder and nastier, then I don't know what you're looking at.

I had a story annihilated last year that wasn't as bad as what I wrote years ago so I am pretty sure I'm reading the room correctly.

But tell you what, I have one I'll be dropping soon where the husband cheats and the wife fucks partly to keep his adultery out of the papers-he's a politician running for office-part for revenge. So we can see.
issue is in this case in the past they were a hotwife stag couple. She had other men, but always with his green light and him always there. Sometimes just watching, then taking his turn, other times joining in. So I think the story is going to grab some of the "well, no matter what, she's a whore and he's a sick cuck for letting her be" trolling.

So, as you see, I am aware of different triggers, and LW has more triggers than a gun store.

You write what you want and often take a beating which you're fine with.

The ones chasing the H's there are carefully pandering and writing to a tight formula. Which is about the only way to succeed score wise

We have different views, but what we have in common is we'll write what we want even if its the erotica version of falling on one's sword.

 

[Plathfan]

The ones chasing the H's there are carefully pandering and writing to a tight formula. Which is about the only way to succeed score wise

This applies to all categories; the target just shifts from 4.5 to 4.8.

 

[Lifestyle66]

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But tell you what, I have one I'll be dropping soon where the husband cheats and the wife fucks partly to keep his adultery out of the papers-he's a politician running for office-part for revenge. So we can see.
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Well, I think your story is going to be panned by the LW haters, not because they're misogynists, but because they just hate cheaters. In your case, the wife is resorting to cheating, too! And that undermines the "holier-than-thou" aggrieved spouse!

Millie's version of a husband cheating, and the innocent wife getting extreme and bloody revenge would be the better test.

In my own latest BTB story, I thought the husband would be applauded for his burning the ex and driving her insane. But I'm now getting comments that his sharing his new BDSM fetish GF (to get the abusive videos) is just as bad and the story's getting 1-bombed for that! So, it's "back to the drawing board"!

It's the subtle triggers!

 

[djrip]

I think, and it is just my opinion, LW is a tough nut to crack. Not even two swift kicks to the groin area does the job. No matter what you write, you usually can only please one-third of the readers. This ensures very few 4.5 or higher scores, and two-thirds of the loyal readership angry at you and more than ready to show it. But, again, there are a few writers, skilled, cunning authors, able to satisfy a larger readership. Splitting the cunt hairs fine, appealing to at least a significant portion of two of the LW dwellers and trolls. I can report, without fear of contradiction, I ain't one of them.

I just fill em up with sex. Works alright.