What do you do if your sub is a coward?

[Caitlynne]

I am even more convinced in what i said above . This thread is something between the addams family humour and a " burn the criminal code attitude " scary joke... I dont know in which order tho ....

Personally, I think Marquis is just having a bit of fun at our [subs] expense. I think he knows the reality of such a situation, and is having a bit of fun pulling every ply's leg. It's that or he is an idiot. I prefer to think he has some semblance of cognitive function. I could be wrong, but don't think so.

 

[Singularity]

You sick, perverted bastard

I fthis is who you are, Marquis, you are a monster, like the one who ravaged and destroyed my friend, and like the one who raped the other one.

When Marquis and I first met in the mental hospital, I was nothing. He was there by accident, but I was there because I had no self esteem at all and didn't even want to go on living.[But since being with Marquis, I realize I have value and purpose as his slave.

No, it's not always pleasant or easy, like when he cuts me with the steak knife. I tell him that if he really loved me he would disinfect it first but he laughs and says I'll be fine. Like always, he is right and I've never had a problem except for all the scarring (he says it doesn't matter, since no one but him could think I'm attractive anyway).

/QUOTE]


Do you enjoy preying on the weak and the vulnarable, Marquis? Do you enjoy inflicting pain on whose who cannot defend themselves? You take their souls, and their money? What do you leave them, for themselves? Are you so without human decency that this is what you call honor? And respect? You are nothing. Nothing but craven, soullless lust if this is who you are.

And you are training to be a lawyer - an adocate and a representative of the weak, before a court of law? You sully and shame the legal profession if that is what you aspire to. And you are a liar if you take the oath that all attorneys must take.

You are unmasked and you stand here, naked now. Are you proud? Do you think anyone who has a soul will be comfortable in your presence?

You are not worthy of the name "Master". You are a caricature and a menace.

A complete, fucking menace.

I'll close with the story of a third woman. This one was enthralled with a man who held her under his control. He used her for his purposes, and she agonized over the control he had over her. This wasn't an S&M relationship, per se, but it was a controlling one and a hurtful one. She was a lot like your sub, perhaps, in that she only found worth in his presence,. But she was ashamed for what he did to her and how she could not escape him.

He died, unexpectedly at the beginning of the month. And on Jnauary 14, at approximately 8 pm, she took an overdose of sleeping pills and she KILLED HERSELF, so she could be with him, because he had convinced her that she couldn't live without him. She was so fucking dependent on him and the mental chains he had wrapped around her that she committed suicide, even though she was an amazingly successful career woman who had the entire world in the palm of her hand.

"im-a-voyeur', I'' tell you that you are in the hands of a man who bears you no charity and no good will. I urge you to find another anchor point in your life and leave this abuser and this manipulator behind. He is no friend and he is no Master.

He is dangerous, beyond words. Find help elsewhere. Now. For your own safety and your own life.

 

[s'lara]

Good picture s'lara ..

Thank you babiesmiles.

 

[babiesmiles]

Thank you babiesmiles.

You are very welcome

 

[rosco rathbone]

Thread of the Week?

 

[s'lara]

Thread of the Week?

Definitely.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Definitely.

A slara spotting.

 

[s'lara]

A slara spotting.

Christ, i'll get a towel and some vinegar.

Cheers, lothario.

 

[Singularity]

Those of you who make light sport of this..

are just as guilty. You should be ashamed.

Where DO you draw the line? Do you draw it anywhere at all? And if there is no line to be drawn, what does that say about you?

What is it about a safeword that makes it optional? None of the 'lighthearted' responses has yet addressed that? Why? Does it make you uncomfortable? Do you not want to call out the Great Marquis?

Rosco? s'lara? babiesmiles? The others? There are some things that are ought to be inviolate. And you make light of it. This place is a cesspool of rationalization and accomodation.

Take a stand, and stand for something. For once.

 

[kayte]

Christ, i'll get a towel and some vinegar.

Cheers, lothario.

LMAO ~ It is nice to see you.

You can be more literal than I am!!

 

[rosco rathbone]

This place is a cesspool of rationalization and accomodation.

Only post-cymbidia/risia/writerdom. Definitely gone to hell-in-handbasket since then.

 

[*curious*]

Actually, if you approach the thread in terms of classic intillectual satire... it does do a very good job of bringing forth the arguments that would ensure people *do* take safe-words seriously.

If that was the intent, it has been brilliantly done.

However, I must say that even if the intent was to bring about a frank discussion of the necessity of safe-words through satire... there are many many morons in the world who won't read past the first page and could walk away with the idea that it *is* appropriate to blow off a submissive's attempts to halt a scene *out of necessity*. That concerns me greatly.

 

[raven2]

Actually, if you approach the thread in terms of classic intillectual satire... it does do a very good job of bringing forth the arguments that would ensure people *do* take safe-words seriously.

If that was the intent, it has been brilliantly done.

However, I must say that even if the intent was to bring about a frank discussion of the necessity of safe-words through satire... there are many many morons in the world who won't read past the first page and could walk away with the idea that it *is* appropriate to blow off a submissive's attempts to halt a scene *out of necessity*. That concerns me greatly.

You are quite right, if the intent was to make it a satire. But there are too many women out there now who are in a world of hurt and trouble because of the attitudes that have come out here. If the necessity of safe words was to be discussed, it should have been done in a more straight forward manner. Although satire can be wonderful, too many people miss the point.

 

[kayte]

Actually, if you approach the thread in terms of classic intillectual satire... it does do a very good job of bringing forth the arguments that would ensure people *do* take safe-words seriously.

If that was the intent, it has been brilliantly done.

However, I must say that even if the intent was to bring about a frank discussion of the necessity of safe-words through satire... there are many many morons in the world who won't read past the first page and could walk away with the idea that it *is* appropriate to blow off a submissive's attempts to halt a scene *out of necessity*. That concerns me greatly.

You are quite right, if the intent was to make it a satire. But there are too many women out there now who are in a world of hurt and trouble because of the attitudes that have come out here. If the necessity of safe words was to be discussed, it should have been done in a more straight forward manner. Although satire can be wonderful, too many people miss the point.

Yes as I too said, this thread got off to a scary start....

There is that old quote about satire being lost on children and fools.....It though is a bad way to start something out on a topic as serious as safewords....

It is so easy for things to be misunderstood on the threads when there is no intention for that to happen.

Remembering what has started so much "drama".

 

[dexwebster]

There is that old quote about satire being lost on children and fools.....

And in the case of fools, Marquis standing there in Domly Moderator Mode and shaking a stern finger at them would have about the same affect (ie., he would be just one in a chorus of others saying, "always obey the safeword," that these same voluntarily ignorant people have repeatedly heard before) so what's the point in getting that het up about it?

 

[*curious*]

You are quite right, if the intent was to make it a satire. But there are too many women out there now who are in a world of hurt and trouble because of the attitudes that have come out here. If the necessity of safe words was to be discussed, it should have been done in a more straight forward manner. Although satire can be wonderful, too many people miss the point.

I agree completely.

I would gently suggest that if Marquis *did* intend this thread to be a satyrical approach into what can be a boring subject ["Yeah yeah we've heard it before... safe-words... important. Got it."], that he might consider editing his initial post to reflect the true intent of the thread? Thus morons who don't bother to read past the first page will be more likely to understand the seriousness of the topic at hand.

 

[Kajira Callista]

hmmmm worded to sound almost like you are joking with a twinge of seriousness. i havent had enough coffee to reply to this but i will be back.

i was right i was right!

 

[Chicklet]

You are quite right, if the intent was to make it a satire. But there are too many women out there now who are in a world of hurt and trouble because of the attitudes that have come out here. If the necessity of safe words was to be discussed, it should have been done in a more straight forward manner. Although satire can be wonderful, too many people miss the point.

As it is always very difficult to tell if someone is joking or not via the tone of their typing, I always tend to sway my thoughts towards the serious side. It's far better to assume the worse than shrug anything off. Am I a fool for responding to this thread seriously, from the start? I don't think so. It rings too many real bells for me to not take seriously.

Sorry if I irritated anyone with my original thoughts.

 

[JupitersGirl]

i was right i was right!

You are always right, KC!!

I am reminded that one of the traits of a good moderator is the ability to stimulate interesting conversation ....

<smile>

 

[serijules]

As it is always very difficult to tell if someone is joking or not via the tone of their typing, I always tend to sway my thoughts towards the serious side. It's far better to assume the worse than shrug anything off. Am I a fool for responding to this thread seriously, from the start? I don't think so. It rings too many real bells for me to not take seriously.

Sorry if I irritated anyone with my original thoughts.

Me too, I don't really care what anyone's intentions are (it's just words after all) but behind even the most sarcastic posts is the potential for a good discussion, so that's what I tend to go with. I'm not very big on sarcasm and joking, just isn't really what my personality is about unfortunately.

So don't apologize, your thoughts were probably more valuable than you realize.

 

[im_a_voyeur]

I don't post much, so you guys probably don't recognize me, but I am Marquis' sub.

Singularity, I want to thank you for your concern and your incredibly kind words, but there is so much here you don't understand.

Please don't judge Marquis based on what you see here, there is so much more to him.

When Marquis and I first met in the mental hospital, I was nothing. He was there by accident, but I was there because I had no self esteem at all and didn't even want to go on living.

But since being with Marquis, I realize I have value and purpose as his slave. No, it's not always pleasant or easy, like when he cuts me with the steak knife. I tell him that if he really loved me he would disinfect it first but he laughs and says I'll be fine. Like always, he is right and I've never had a problem except for all the scarring (he says it doesn't matter, since no one but him could think I'm attractive anyway).

So, what I'm trying to say is this. I trust Marquis completely. He has complete control over my money, my sexuality (he said he is going to make me suck Rosco soon) and everything else. Sometimes I am a bit of a wimp, but I am just grateful that he even cares enough to beat me and not just leave me.

I'm very sorry to hear about your friend. It's so sad how knowledge of BDSM can completely alter someone's behavior. I'm sure the Dom who raped her would never have done such a thing if he hadn't learned that he was a Dom.

I was alerted by Marquis in regards to this posting.

I have to admit, I found it to be absolutely hilarious. For those who were concerned, none of the above is true (well, maybe except for the Rosco part, LOL).

The FEW times that I have had to use my safe word, Marquis has respected it.

 

[Marquis]

Oh fucking hell.

 

[chris9]

I don't get joke or serious threads, but I thought after you're first post, i'm_a_voyeur, that the thread went into a very interesting direction. Emotional masochism. Some around mentioned it before (I'm thinking Quint? KC? Could be both, could be and/or others. Not sure anymore.). I honestly don't get the concept. And by some of the responses it can be considered bad abuse. So can every other bit of masochism. What if both agreed that emotional pain is part of the relationship? Is it still abuse? Who decides if it is, if not the pyl who either consents or doesn't? Is consent about saying it's ok, or about feeling it's ok?

i'm_a_voyeur, even if your first post was in joke (I don't know, but in dubio pro reo), it made me think some seriously, thank you.

 

[im_a_voyeur]

I don't get joke or serious threads, but I thought after you're first post, i'm_a_voyeur, that the thread went into a very interesting direction. Emotional masochism. Some around mentioned it before (I'm thinking Quint? KC? Could be both, could be and/or others. Not sure anymore.). I honestly don't get the concept. And by some of the responses it can be considered bad abuse. So can every other bit of masochism. What if both agreed that emotional pain is part of the relationship? Is it still abuse? Who decides if it is, if not the pyl who either consents or doesn't? Is consent about saying it's ok, or about feeling it's ok?

i'm_a_voyeur, even if your first post was in joke (I don't know, but in dubio pro reo), it made me think some seriously, thank you.

The first post wasn't me. It was Marquis using my account.

 

[chris9]

The first post wasn't me. It was Marquis using my account.

Ok, then thanks to Marquis for making me think.