You Kidnapped The Wrong Girl, Ya Big Dummy

[Silverlily]

Hey, there's only two ways to gain power: you climb the ladder, or you build rungs beneath you...

But why would you want such weak rungs?

 

[Marquis]

If there is one thing I don't have to worry about it is a Jovanovic-style slipup. Even if I was meeting someone other than my right hand for sex; I am uber-paranoid.

What do you get them to sign waivers?

 

[Marquis]

But why would you want such weak rungs?

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[rosco rathbone]

What do you get them to sign waivers?

Before I consent to take on a new slave; she has to pass an extensive vetting process; largely psychological in nature. Part of this serves to determine areas of danger of which even she may be unaware--subconscious booby traps if you will. It is through neglecting this vital step, in his eagerness to come to grips with a young female, that Mr. Jovanovic was brought low.

I never move to the more extreme realms of play without knowing the mental dimension of a slave like the back of my hand. No waivers thus are necessary--just good old fashioned groundwork: the sine qua non of responsible mastery.

 

[schmerzgarten]

Just on a lighter note, but real crime....

I recently read a news story from, I believe, NYC. A would-be robber tried to take out a convenience store, the two young women behind the counter thought better of his efforts. It took multiple cops to pry the clerks off of em', he was crying like a baby as they hit him with his own crow-bar. Now, I just need to get a ski-mask and find that store

 

[Aeroil]

I recently read a news story from, I believe, NYC. A would-be robber tried to take out a convenience store, the two young women behind the counter thought better of his efforts. It took multiple cops to pry the clerks off of em', he was crying like a baby as they hit him with his own crow-bar. Now, I just need to get a ski-mask and find that store

Dammit I was eating when I read that lol.

 

[Marquis]

Before I consent to take on a new slave; she has to pass an extensive vetting process; largely psychological in nature. Part of this serves to determine areas of danger of which even she may be unaware--subconscious booby traps if you will. It is through neglecting this vital step, in his eagerness to come to grips with a young female, that Mr. Jovanovic was brought low.

I never move to the more extreme realms of play without knowing the mental dimension of a slave like the back of my hand. No waivers thus are necessary--just good old fashioned groundwork: the sine qua non of responsible mastery.

Well met good sir.

 

[graceanne]

What do you get them to sign waivers?

If I was a dom, I would. It's too easy for some malicious bitch to cry rape.

 

[Miss Diva]

I guess there will be no second date.

 

[Killishandra]

If I was a dom, I would. It's too easy for some malicious bitch to cry rape.

You know, some people might think signing a waiver ahead of time spoils the fun... That was my first thought, anyhow. But I bet a Dom/me could work it into the mindset really well... You sign a waiver to them giving them even LEGAL power to abuse you. Mwahaha!!!!

 

[Netzach]

Waivers, huh.

I guess I lead a life of controlled chaos, I have trusted my guts and my readings of people, stuck to my boundaries (for what my guts are worth these days) and they have usually been sound.

I will say that if I ever were to arrange a "kidnapping" you'd bet your ass I'd know the person I was trying to nab by sight, though.

 

[Marquis]

Anyone watch Chappelle's show?


"So just sign there and there, and there...

initial here if you decline anal....

yeah, pretty standard stuff..

Well, I don't know about you, but I'm still horny!"

 

[graceanne]

Even as a sub, I'd still want something in writing. So that if we get to his house, and he turns out to be an abuser, not a dom, I would have something to show that we agreed to certain limits. Like that chick in catalina_francisco's thread, who went home with a 'domme', then got the shit beat out of her, and was chained to a wall. Finally she escaped, and had to run home 15 miles, naked, and with broken ribs. That chick only got like 2 months in jail, and I bet it's cause the victim didn't have any proof that she hadn't asked for it.

 

[TaintedB]

If I was a dom, I would. It's too easy for some malicious bitch to cry rape.

Ahem! _We_ call that "edge play.'"

 

[TaintedB]

Doing Your Homework Is A Good Idea

Before I consent to take on a new slave; she has to pass an extensive vetting process; largely psychological in nature. Part of this serves to determine areas of danger of which even she may be unaware--subconscious booby traps if you will. It is through neglecting this vital step, in his eagerness to come to grips with a young female, that Mr. Jovanovic was brought low.

I never move to the more extreme realms of play without knowing the mental dimension of a slave like the back of my hand. No waivers thus are necessary--just good old fashioned groundwork: the sine qua non of responsible mastery.

I do the sub version of this (and have taught it to a few others). Although my standards of judgement are probably a little different than Rosco's, I also do not want some dom to go running screaming to the police. :/ Bleah! Spoils all my fun!

Seriously though, most people, sub or dom, don't want to be bothered with this sort of in-depth science of human assessment. They glean a couple of tricks from someone or a book and think those one or two paltry measurment tools will tell them all they need to know about a person. But no one, two, or even ten trick(s) or measurement(s), however subtle, can possibly tell you everything you really ought to know about someone you're going to play with. But a scatter approach (surrounded the subject with "fire" from many different directions, constantly switch patterns and pacing, etc.) using measurements you've quietly developed on your own, discovered are accurate, and haven't told the rest of the world about (so that other people can't fake the test!) work very well to tell you exactly who you're dealing with.

Why don't people want to learn about other people? It doeesn't make a lot of sense to me when they don't. Maybe it's because, as Rosco said, they're too eager to get their panties off, or, even if they haven't got someone specific in their sights, they're way too impatient or ADD... or something (I don't know, maybe some subs feel that learning this stuff deflates their pleasant fantasy that all doms know what they are doing?) to sit down and absorb the whole corpus. So I tend to think that all of us, sub, dom, switch, or other, get the partners we deserve.

 

[lorddragonwolf]

No, but I can say 'oops'.

Question: Is he blond?

a typo i didnt catch.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Just info ...

Many states do not recognize the validity of a contract or waiver that says that one person can beat the crap out of the other. There have been cases in some of them (including Florida) wherein the Court involved determined, in its infinite wisdom {yes, that's sarcasm}, that no competent person would sign such a contract/waiver unless they were coerced, threatened or otherwise malignly influenced into signing it (under duress, so to speak), and that the contract/waiver was thus invalid... even if the pyl involved got up in court and testified (as happened in at least a couple of cases I've read) that they were not under duress of any type, and that the activities were "freely, knowingly, voluntarily and intelligently" entered into as consensual activities.

Find a kink-friendly attorney in your area and ask them what your jurisdiction has ruled!

 

[Aeroil]

Anyone watch Chappelle's show?


"So just sign there and there, and there...

initial here if you decline anal....

yeah, pretty standard stuff..

Well, I don't know about you, but I'm still horny!"

Lol, I sure do watch that show, very funny.

Somehow a contract just doesn't seem very romantic, but maybe that's just me.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

<snip>
Somehow a contract just doesn't seem very romantic, but maybe that's just me.

And just what do you think applying for a marriage license and getting married (civil or church-style) is? It's a contract...

"Do you promise to...?" - "I do." "Do you promise to...?" - "I do."

A D/s contract is the same thing - promises by each party to do their best to fulfill the needs/wants of their partner in a certain fashion.

And then, what about the wave of the '90s and the early 21st century - the pre-nuptial contract? Now that's certainly a romantic way of looking at your relationship... we're in love forever, BUT... if we break up, you get this and I get that.

 

[Aeroil]

Lol, good point Winston, but there is still a difference between "I pledge to love you forever" and "I promise I won't charge you with assault"

 

[Marquis]

I would never marry a woman that would sign a pre-nuptial agreement, but I wouldn't get married without one.

I see only one solution.

 

[Miss Diva]

I would never marry a woman that would sign a pre-nuptial agreement, but I wouldn't get married without one.

I see only one solution.

Which is...sorry I need to ask

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Lol, good point Winston, but there is still a difference between "I pledge to love you forever" and "I promise I won't charge you with assault"

Until fairly recently - like the 80s - one of the most common marriage vows was:

"(Female's name), do you promise to love, honor and obey (male's name)?"
"I do."

"(Male's name), do you promise to love, honor and cherish (female's name)?"
"I do."

And while "I promise I won't charge you with assault" isn't in any contract I've ever seen, I have seen contracts that specified that the PYL could/would perform certain actions (that could be considered assault and/or battery in a non-BDSM relationship) upon the body of the pyl, though not others... which leads to the conclusion that the pyl is agreeing to not charge the PYL with domestic violence, battery or assault, as long as the agreed limits weren't breached.

 

[Marquis]

Which is...sorry I need to ask

Marry a man of course!

 

[Miss Diva]

Marry a man of course!

So you got a guy lined up yet?