Bite me

[butters]

wow, you too, that almost makes two of us
actually you learn by getting into a poem, without too many assumptions, and you learn by paying attention, see level three addition, interesting construction, and I've learned much from many, there is always another way of looking at things, another approach.
I've been here nine years, I know the 'manners' of this place, the macrophage reaction, the 'codes', the games, the excessive me-ism, and my ROI is abysmally low, something like 2,000 comments and the expectation being I am supposed to see how great and wonderful some fucking noodle is, sorry, I allow so much for fucking around (I do enough of it), and most of the time you are getting a five anyway. Because I learned, and I regretted one four that I handed out because it made a difference in some contest that I was not aware of and it was the better poem,and I hadn't commented or voted on the other. I regretted it on my own, despite the macrophage reaction. The lectures because I hit back hard or because it somehow was twisted into something else. So now I learn avoidance, a retrenchment. And really I don't have much to say or a desire to say what little is left.
"Ich Bin Ein Auslander"

ok, just got in from work and will digest this and other information/investigate links.

off the top of my head, i'd say this: you can't make people learn; they either will or they won't and a teacher might inspire them to go there but, once there, can't make them drink the water. horses . . . people, whatever.

re the macrophage:

Macrophages are versatile cells that play many roles. As scavengers, they rid the body of worn-out cells and other debris. Along with dendritic cells, they are foremost among the cells that "present" antigen, a crucial role in initiating an immune response. As secretory cells, monocytes and macrophages are vital to the regulation of immune responses and the development of inflammation; they produce a wide array of powerful chemical substances (monokines) including enzymes, complement proteins, and regulatory factors such as interleukin-1. At the same time, they carry receptors for lymphokines that allow them to be "activated" into single-minded pursuit of microbes and tumour cells.

i would say you're pretty macrophagic, if we substitute anons and stupidity for microbes and tumours.

as for your other reference, isn't it a poet's duty to speak out? we are all outsiders, all foreigners, all immigrants to Lit, no matter how long we've been here - even if we were in on the ground floor as first gen immigrants. none of us should march to the goose step, chanting in unison, no differing opinions allowed. if there's one thing you are hot on, it's this. having been a member of several sites in my online life, we should be vigilant against it but this is the most anti lit-naziism site of them alland long may it remain so. the voting and disappearing H's thing is a reason for mistrust and concern - have you mailed Laurel about this directly? i don't know how that stuff all works, though no doubt others here might. if i remember it rightly, an H only remains so long as the piece continues getting the reads? (could be wrong, it's been a while.)

if there's direct manipulation of the system due to favouritism/angst/personality conflict then that is wrong. completely. can any of the mods(or regular members) here shed any light on how this stuff all works?

 

[twelveoone]

ah, truth be told, i discount 30% of all the favourables anyway, so it surprises me when I do get one. A certain percent vote and comment because I vote and comment, etc. I resent it when it spreads to others. Which, as said puts me in an ethical dilemma.
the one that really affected me, was something like " another (name removed) poem, bor-ink", two years ago, I seen them on UYS' and yours also, now like me we suspect more than one, it happens, but this one is rather persistent so right now, I'm measuring boot size, as some ersatz black man wants to boot me.

Really, now in the US the tread is to have 14 forms of ID and a RFID tag up your ass, and Literotica allows anonymous voting? What's that word 'decimate', well it only takes one ANON to remove an H in poetry, at least make 'em get an ALT they're cheap enough.

 

[Angeline]

ok, just got in from work and will digest this and other information/investigate links.

off the top of my head, i'd say this: you can't make people learn; they either will or they won't and a teacher might inspire them to go there but, once there, can't make them drink the water. horses . . . people, whatever.

re the macrophage: i would say you're pretty macrophagic, if we substitute anons and stupidity for microbes and tumours.

as for your other reference, isn't it a poet's duty to speak out? we are all outsiders, all foreigners, all immigrants to Lit, no matter how long we've been here - even if we were in on the ground floor as first gen immigrants. none of us should march to the goose step, chanting in unison, no differing opinions allowed. if there's one thing you are hot on, it's this. having been a member of several sites in my online life, we should be vigilant against it but this is the most anti lit-naziism site of them alland long may it remain so. the voting and disappearing H's thing is a reason for mistrust and concern - have you mailed Laurel about this directly? i don't know how that stuff all works, though no doubt others here might. if i remember it rightly, an H only remains so long as the piece continues getting the reads? (could be wrong, it's been a while.)

if there's direct manipulation of the system due to favouritism/angst/personality conflict then that is wrong. completely. can any of the mods(or regular members) here shed any light on how this stuff all works?

Not really. Mods, as you know, work on the forum (or chat, if one is a chat moderator) and are not part of the submissions system on Lit. I think intentional manipulation is done by voters and the other stuff is neglect and glitches. And of course when one can vote anonymously or create alts all kinds of nasty little games can go on. If the games get to you, you do have the option of not allowing votes and/or comments (though why someone would submit a poem and allow neither escapes me). Do I think the system we have is good? No. Do I think it will ever change? I've been here since 2002 and it hasn't yet, so I tend to ignore it and just write here on the forum. I think if I did start submitting again though, I'd only allow comments. But I don't care enough either way to go back and change all my current submissions. If they get 5s great and if they get 1s, that's fine, too. Neither way is going to stop me from pursuing poetry the way I want. I wish there were a better way but for me, that way is the forum.

 

[butters]

Not really. Mods, as you know, work on the forum (or chat, if one is a chat moderator) and are not part of the submissions system on Lit. I think intentional manipulation is done by voters and the other stuff is neglect and glitches. And of course when one can vote anonymously or create alts all kinds of nasty little games can go on. If the games get to you, you do have the option of not allowing votes and/or comments (though why someone would submit a poem and allow neither escapes me). Do I think the system we have is good? No. Do I think it will ever change? I've been here since 2002 and it hasn't yet, so I tend to ignore it and just write here on the forum. I think if I did start submitting again though, I'd only allow comments. But I don't care enough either way to go back and change all my current submissions. If they get 5s great and if they get 1s, that's fine, too. Neither way is going to stop me from pursuing poetry the way I want. I wish there were a better way but for me, that way is the forum.

and this, in a nutshell, is the crucial thing

 

[Angeline]

and this, in a nutshell, is the crucial thing

Yes. And I think it's true for everyone here. The thing I most like about this forum is that whether I agree or not with whatever someone says, I almost always learn something from it. I am obsessed with the learning.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

The voting system on this site is flawed folks - suck it up, buttercup! Why concern your self with Hs and Es, they don't mean a thing - if you want an aitch just round up your buddies, that's all it takes.

Long ago I stopped taking notice of voting numbers, it's a futile endevour. Over the years we've had countless complaints and nothing changes. Turn OFF your vote option and get a good nights sleep.

 

[greenmountaineer]

The voting system on this site is flawed folks - suck it up, buttercup! Why concern your self with Hs and Es, they don't mean a thing - if you want an aitch just round up your buddies, that's all it takes.

Long ago I stopped taking notice of voting numbers, it's a futile endevour. Over the years we've had countless complaints and nothing changes. Turn OFF your vote option and get a good nights sleep.

Agreed. It's the content of the comments that make me think they're worthless or have something to think about to help me write better.

 

[butters]

It's something of a sad reflection, though, on the literary side of this site, that E's (more than H's - H's are a popularity thing and not necessarily representative of quality) aren't something to be considered of some merit. They should be.

Whilst it's great being an unexpected little backwater on a site dedicated to the flesh and the fancy, there's no reason we shouldn't desire high standards.

 

[butters]

twelvio - can you make a little space?

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

It's something of a sad reflection, though, on the literary side of this site, that E's (more than H's - H's are a popularity thing and not necessarily representative of quality) aren't something to be considered of some merit. They should be.

Whilst it's great being an unexpected little backwater on a site dedicated to the flesh and the fancy, there's no reason we shouldn't desire high standards.

Isn't it of merit only if the person handing out the yellow Es is known and "qualified" - for want of a better word? If it is Laurel perhaps it should count as merititious, it is her site after all - but we just don't know.

Is it not enough to get kudos from other poets?

 

[butters]

Isn't it of merit only if the person handing out the yellow Es is known and "qualified" - for want of a better word? If it is Laurel perhaps it should count as merititious, it is her site after all - but we just don't know.

Is it not enough to get kudos from other poets?

yes, quite so. i've no idea who hands them out and they are probably well-earned, for the most part.

however, the fact they are handed out - for it to have value to an author (imo) and to enhance the site's reputation for poetry (which might serve to attract increasing numbers of writers) - it would be better to hold to high standards. since there are posters here, including yourself, tess, who hold them in no high esteem, they seem a pointless gesture. and i find that a little sad, truth be told.

i don't do much about voting or take notice of votes i receive, nor did it concern me when my red H's vanished. i just assumed they didn't get enough reads/comments, and it didn't bother me.

for me, the highest praise i can receive is when anything of mine gets well-received from those i respect as writers themselves. always has been that way.

 

[twelveoone]

Agreed. It's the content of the comments that make me think they're worthless or have something to think about to help me write better.

http://www.literotica.com/p/tribute-to-literotic-commentsand as if by magic
when 1201 comments

it makes me cry
sometimes i feel
Pigs should stay in their Sty !?!?!?

unusual reference from a hindu

by Anonymous
numba boye

yo HoNkeaYY,,, Pearl DA $HOrtee alOnE UU A$$ Wipe $hO 'nUFF!!!

sho 'nuff indeed

for is it not written the thoughts of assholes are merely farts, well it is now.

 

[twelveoone]

The voting system on this site is flawed folks - suck it up, buttercup! Why concern your self with Hs and Es, they don't mean a thing - if you want an aitch just round up your buddies, that's all it takes.

Really, now in the US the tread is to have 14 forms of ID and a RFID tag up your ass, and Literotica allows anonymous voting? What's that word 'decimate', well it only takes one ANON to remove an H in poetry, at least make 'em get an ALT they're cheap enough.

Buddies and Alt's are identifiable, anon's are not

Buddies - at least a minimal excuse for popularity

Alts - at least they have to work a little harder and a trail is left

Why suck it up? Now even way back when, when Lauren H. had asked would you give up the H's that you got from anon's, at that time it didn't apply to me, and probably most of my H's did arrive there because of anon voting, so be it, get rid of it, it is a seriously flawed system, and easily done away with.


Aim for transparency.

 

[twelveoone]

----original Urdu couplet sung by the Ghazal Maestro Pankaj Udhas
correct me if I'm wrong Hashish, isn't Urdu the same as Hindi, spoken, but different script and what you posted is a transliteration? and being so, why would this be Urdu?

 

[twelveoone]

Since I have an Anon honkifin' my ass. I thought I'd approach this real scientific like.

Stuff White People Like

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/23/21-writers-workshops/



http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/11/18/116-black-music-that-black-people-dont-listen-to-anymore/

I notice he was here, also. Too funny.

P.S. I couldn't pass. Mixed maybe.

 

[twelveoone]

don't people read anymore?
or have they taken to leading with assumptions
or is it I that assume too much?

ASSUME THE POSITION

 

[HarryHill]

don't people read anymore?
or have they taken to leading with assumptions
or is it I that assume too much?

ASSUME THE POSITION

..
assume the last line was not inuendo

 

[butters]

..
assume the last line was not inuendo

dontcha just love it when he gets all masterful and shit?

 

[twelveoone]

..
assume the last line was not inuendo

do I look Italian?
it would have been
uppauendo

 

[HarryHill]

Since I have an Anon honkifin' my ass. I thought I'd approach this real scientific like.

P.S. I couldn't pass. Mixed maybe.

you have to watch every word with 12. if you think he said one thing, look again, you'll see he said two others

 

[HarryHill]

do I look Italian?
it would have been
uppauendo

bing that folks. greek instead?

 

[butters]

you have to watch every word with 12. if you think he said one thing, look again, you'll see he said two others

it serves to pay attention *nods*

sometimes, though, i just want to see him posting fluffy hamster pics and stuff

 

[HarryHill]

dontcha just love it when he gets all masterful and shit?

..
It was the material that caught my eye
blue zig zaggies, distorted by contrast
between pale shoulders, and the contest
to finish absorbing a mind
hidden behind a wandering eye.

 

[butters]

..
It was the material that caught my eye
blue zig zaggies, distorted by contrast
between pale shoulders, and the contest
to finish absorbing a mind
hidden behind a wandering eye.

sorry to distract from contemplating twelve's comments i'm bored with that picture already. choices, choices....

 

[HarryHill]

sorry to distract from contemplating twelve's comments i'm bored with that picture already. choices, choices....

peep pie, I see you, bright eye searching bold
needing no visine nor glass
to spy a kindred soul.