Code of Conduct ?

[AwkwardlySet]

Ah, I see the non-con talk has spilled even here. As I said in the other thread, it's Laurel who's always restarting these topics, suckers!

 

[SimonDoom]

To be consistent, we should allow snuff, so long as the person being killed ‘enjoys it eventually.’

The problem is that some people can accept the canard that a person might eventually enjoy being raped, but not that they might eventually enjoy being murdered. I don’t see the difference.

People should be allowed to write what they want, I don’t have to read rape porn. But convos on the subject keep coming up here. Maybe there should be a dedicated forum for it, which just rape afficianadoes can read .

Consistency doesn't matter. It's completely irrelevant to the issue. The dialogue on this issue is an excellent illustration of the wisdom of Emerson's adage, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

What matters is that there are different readerships for different types of stories, and Literotica is navigating that landscape to appeal to and draw in the maximum number of readers while trying to excise a few narrow subcategories that it doesn't want to be associated with. But it doesn't want to throw out the baby with the bath water, and that seems to be what some people here in these neverending discussions we have on story content guidelines want: "If we're going to throw out the bathwater, then to be consistent we have to throw out the baby, dammit!"

No, we don't.

The only way for Literotica to accomplish what it is trying to accomplish is to draw lines that don't have to make any sense at all in terms of morality or consistency, but which serve a useful function, and that's exactly what Literotica does. If somebody else owned the site they'd probably draw different lines, but there's a logic to what they are doing, and the objection that they're being "inconsistent" in some theoretical or moral way is not a strong objection. It just doesn't matter to what they are trying to do.

You have a background in science. In your field, as in mine, the law, the evidence is always more important than the logic. Logic matters sometimes, but evidence always matters. I think Laurel probably knows the "evidence" of the readership landscape pretty well after 25 years and over 500,000 story submissions, and her rules are intended to navigate that landscape. That's enough to justify them, consistency be damned.

 

[Bamagan]

I find 3 problematic, 4 is aberrant.

1 is insecurity being manifest and so ridiculous it’s probably harmless. On 2 I was never that sort of sub (or ever really a sub at all), but I know some think of it that way. Consensually giving up agency (presumably within parameters) is not rape-adjacent (unless the situation is then taken advantage of in ways not agreed).

I think bucket 3 is good for illustrating a line between reluctance, non-consent, and the similar stuff the site doesn't want. For the sake of the argument, consider the trope of a student who blackmails a professor.

In scenario A, the professor actually has an inherent attraction to the student prior to any coercive behavior, but social pressures like professionality and perhaps age difference made them reluctant to acknowledge their interest and prevented any meaningful effort to pursue it. Having enjoyed the results despite the means, all tends to be forgiven by the end of the story.

In scenario B, the professor is initially neutral or has negative feelings toward the student, which probably get even more negative for a while before some kind of reconciliation occurs, with the pair either winding up together or parting on amicable terms (or perhaps just non-hostile, if they treat the blackmail as merely hard-ball bargaining). Sometimes the student is seeking revenge, bringing the story closer to what bucket 4 likes, but they also move toward positivity during the course of their coercive behavior and may have some kind of repentance arc.

The reconciliation and/or repentance angle will never be enough to justify the actions or meaningfully distinguish it from rape (or at least sexual harassment) for some readers, but it may be enough to kill the arousal of folks hoping for a nasty end (a hypothetical scenario C) and land the story somewhere in the nebulous zone of what the site feels comfortable hosting.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I think bucket 3 is good for illustrating a line between reluctance, non-consent, and the similar stuff the site doesn't want. For the sake of the argument, consider the trope of a student who blackmails a professor.

In scenario A, the professor actually has an inherent attraction to the student prior to any coercive behavior, but social pressures like professionality and perhaps age difference made them reluctant to acknowledge their interest and prevented any meaningful effort to pursue it. Having enjoyed the results despite the means, all tends to be forgiven by the end of the story.

In scenario B, the professor is initially neutral or has negative feelings toward the student, which probably get even more negative for a while before some kind of reconciliation occurs, with the pair either winding up together or parting on amicable terms (or perhaps just non-hostile, if they treat the blackmail as merely hard-ball bargaining). Sometimes the student is seeking revenge, bringing the story closer to what bucket 4 likes, but they also move toward positivity during the course of their coercive behavior and may have some kind of repentance arc.

The reconciliation and/or repentance angle will never be enough to justify the actions or meaningfully distinguish it from rape (or at least sexual harassment) for some readers, but it may be enough to kill the arousal of folks hoping for a nasty end (a hypothetical scenario C) and land the story somewhere in the nebulous zone of what the site feels comfortable hosting.

It’s weird what folk like.

 

[Bamagan]

It’s weird what folk like.

I. for one, find it baffling that some people eat pickles and/or play golf.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I. for one, find it baffling that some people eat pickles and/or play golf.

Especially at the same time.

 

[SimonDoom]

I. for one, find it baffling that some people eat pickles and/or play golf.

I do both, but never at the same time.

 

[cw5523729]

I. for one, find it baffling that some people eat pickles and/or play golf.

Don't kink shame me, pickle hater.

 

[Bamagan]

I do both, but never at the same time.

 

[SimonDoom]

Don't kink shame me, pickle hater.

Pickles are the best. And there's so much erotic potential.

 

[Bamagan]

Don't kink shame me, pickle hater.

No shame, merely expressing my befuddlement at the way you do you.

 

[cw5523729]

No shame, merely expressing my befuddlement at the way you do you.

 

[Bamagan]

Pickles are the best. And there's so much erotic potential.

"Dill spear me harder, you kosher bastard! God, I relish this fucking!"

...

I admit they provide several opportunities for puns, which as we all know by now are my bread and butter.

 

[cw5523729]

Pickles are the best. And there's so much erotic potential.

Google's AI suggests you shouldn't masturbate with a pickle



Imagine 50 years ago if you told someone that one day, we'll all have access to the sum knowledge on all human existence and people will instead ask questions like that.

 

[SimonDoom]

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[SimonDoom]

Google's AI suggests you shouldn't masturbate with a pickle

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Imagine 50 years ago if you told someone that one day, we'll all have access to the sum knowledge on all human existence and people will instead ask questions like that.

There you go. AI fucking things up for everybody, once again.

 

[cw5523729]

There you go. AI fucking things up for everybody, once again.

Everyone already knew that Google is a major buzz-kill.

 

[SimonDoom]

It’s weird what folk like.

Thank goodness for that.

 

[Bamagan]

Google's AI suggests you shouldn't masturbate with a pickle

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Imagine 50 years ago if you told someone that one day, we'll all have access to the sum knowledge on all human existence and people will instead ask questions like that.

The expression 'sum knowledge' seems problematic. It keeps making shit up, which is both sort of 'greater than' the sum in terms of quantity, but 'less than' it in terms of quality. Subtraction by addition, I suppose.
But in this case, I agree with the computer. There is at most one pickle-hole in the average human body. (But be outliers if you must, polypicklers.)

 

[SimonDoom]

The expression 'sum knowledge' seems problematic. It keeps making shit up, which is both sort of 'greater than' the sum in terms of quantity, but 'less than' it in terms of quality. Subtraction by addition, I suppose.
But in this case, I agree with the computer. There is at most one pickle-hole in the average human body. (But be outliers if you must, polypicklers.)

I'm curious, Mr. B. I've got my enumeration fetish, but you've got a fetish with the tiny font. What's with that?

 

[cw5523729]

I'm curious, Mr. B. I've got my enumeration fetish, but you've got a fetish with the tiny font. What's with that?

I think he likes to whisper so he doesn't bother anyone

 

[Bamagan]

I'm curious, Mr. B. I've got my enumeration fetish, but you've got a fetish with the tiny font. What's with that?

I don't like sans serif fonts. The forums override my browser font settings, so the most I can do is make mine have serifs, which has to be done each time I type something. For convenience, I use the first one on the list, Book Antiqua. Apparently it's slightly smaller, but whatever difference there is I can't see it on my machine. I took the extra step of making it the next bigger size for a while after someone else complained it was small, but then other people complained it was too big, and since it was extra effort for me, I stopped.
Also, not a Mister.

 

[cw5523729]

I've got my enumeration fetish,

I'm waiting for someone to write some non-consensual pickle counting porn

 

[alohadave]

Also, not a Mister.

Interesting. I always imagined you as such. Sorry for presuming.

 

[Bamagan]

Interesting. I always imagined you as such. Sorry for presuming.

S'okay. What I am, legally speaking, depends on which state I'm in. Some ask what you are, others confidently assert one or the other without consultation.