Every story I post gets 1 star’d

[Writer61]

My group days are long gone, hun.

Which means every Lit argument must be between you and A N Other. That hardly seems fair.

 

[old_prof]

I can't think of any reviewers or critics who ask permission to review a book, film, song, art installation -- anything.

Books for sale are asking to be reviewed. It's one of the pieces you have to accept going from an amateur to a professional;. And yes, professional reviewers do notify the publishers before reviewing a book. Out of curtesy. Of course, many of those reviews are requests from publishers, not the other way around.

Is just being courteous that hard?

 

[EmilyMiller]

Which means every Lit argument must be between you and A N Other. That hardly seems fair.

Those are the rules. If you don’t like them… oh, wait that’s for pre-18 sex.

 

[YmaOHyd]

had no reason to believe their work was going to be publicly discussed.

Yes they did. They posted it on a platform that allows the public to rate and comment and has a forum attached. Comments are enabled, ratings are enabled. It hasn't left that platform.

notify

That's different from asking permission, which is what people seem to want.

 

[lovecraft68]

I can't think of any reviewers or critics who ask permission to review a book, film, song, art installation -- anything.

Look at You tube and the countless toxic jack asses on there that trash a movie before its even released especially if it has a female, gay or 'diverse' lead.

 

[Writer61]

That's different from asking permission, which is what people seem to want.

Notify and Ask Permission are indeed different.

I think it is polite to ask, but I understand that others hold a different position, and that is fine.

 

[Dodola]

Why is it OK for you to make a smartarse comment (about being able to see your arse) and me not to respond in kind (suggesting you join a circus)? Why is it one rule for you, but not for others?

You appeared to admit here that you were joining me on being smartassed.
Mansplain how that is polite?

I have been polite throughout this exchange. If you think I have not been, then please cite it.

 

[IWroteThis]

Weird Al asks for permissions to use each song he parodies, even though he has no legal requirement.

Actually, Weird Al asks permission because it's expensive to litigate and he's not certain to win. He even records his own but similar music to further protect himself. Fair use tends to lean towards smaller samplings, not entire works, so his work is in a grey area, unlike the use above.

 

[old_prof]

I can't think of any reviewers or critics who ask permission to review a book, film, song, art installation -- anything.

I think there is another difference as well. The authors here are part of a loosely defined community. One that interacts with each other fairly regularly. That does make a difference, both in the ease of asking/notifying (the former is more polite) and the consequences of the discussion on the author.

Again, why is this hard here? Multiple people have said they would like to be asked. Shouldn't that be enough?

 

[old_prof]

Actually, Weird Al asks permission because it's expensive to litigate and he's not certain to win. He even records his own but similar music to further protect himself. Fair use tends to lean towards smaller samplings, not entire works, so his work is in a grey area, unlike the use above.

That's actually complete malarkey. His usage is so obviously fair use that it's an open and shut case and the copyright holder would likely have to pay legal fees. @SimonDoom may know how realistic I am there. And he has very deep pockets to defend himself if needed.

He has repeatedly said in interviews that he does it out of curtesy, even though he is not legally required to do so.

Why is there so much push back against being courteous. I don't get it. Be a nice person when you can.

 

[Writer61]

You appeared to admit here that you were joining me on being smartassed.

Yes, I replied in kind, and you told me to 'fuck off'.

Mansplain how that is polite?

a) Making a smart-arse comment is impolite? Wow!
b) Gender is irrelevant to politeness,

 

[StillStunned]

Give it up. You don't like each other, fair enough. You'll never convince the other that you're right and they're wrong, so just shrug and move on with your lives. Surely you have better things to spend your energy on?

 

[crookedletter]

Be a nice person when you can.

Just quoting this so it’s repeated.

 

[alohadave]

Even if you have a legal right to do something, it doesn't mean that being considerate is not also a good idea. Weird Al asks for permissions to use each song he parodies, even though he has no legal requirement.

That's not strictly true. He mostly makes what he calls style parodies, where he uses the music and rhythm, but the lyrics aren't commentary on the original song.

They are called parodies, but are more often satire.

 

[Writer61]

Give it up. You don't like each other, fair enough. You'll never convince the other that you're right and they're wrong, so just shrug and move on with your lives. Surely you have better things to spend your energy on?

I am not trying to convince @Dodola that he/she is wrong. I accept that he/she has a different opinion.

But, when he/she attacks me, I am going to respond. Wouldn't you?

 

[SimonDoom]

That's actually complete malarkey. His usage is so obviously fair use that it's an open and shut case and the copyright holder would likely have to pay legal fees. @SimonDoom may know how realistic I am there. And he has very deep pockets to defend himself if needed.

He has repeatedly said in interviews that he does it out of curtesy, even though he is not legally required to do so.

Why is there so much push back against being courteous. I don't get it. Be a nice person when you can.

I think it's a little bit more of an issue than that. The question is, are his songs parodies of the original songs? A parody isn't just a comic use of another work; it is a work that makes a comic or satirical comment on that work. It's a subtle difference.

If tested in court, Weird Al's works probably would be found to be parodies, in my opinion. I think he can plausibly argue that he's making fun of the original work. A good example is his "Amish Paradise," which I think works as a parody of Gangster's Paradise. But is Eat It a parody of Beat It, or just a funny song that piggybacks off the melody and success of Beat It. It's arguable. Although I suspect he would win in court.

 

[YmaOHyd]

I think there is another difference as well. The authors here are part of a loosely defined community. One that interacts with each other fairly regularly. That does make a difference, both in the ease of asking/notifying (the former is more polite) and the consequences of the discussion on the author.

Again, why is this hard here? Multiple people have said they would like to be asked. Shouldn't that be enough?

Neither of the people in question post here. I'm not reviewing their work. I compared four sentences to make a point about categories. If I were going to review a story by StillStunned, I'd tag him in the review and link to the story in the same way that a review in the paper tells the audience where they can buy the book.

But again, that's not what's happening here, and I categorically reject any idea that I have an obligation to seek permission from someone to refer to the existence of a story they chose to make public.

 

[old_prof]

I am not trying to convince @Dodola that he/she is wrong. I accept that he/she has a different opinion.

But, when he/she attacks me, I am going to respond. Wouldn't you?

Sometimes it's time to be the grown up and walk away.

 

[Writer61]

Sometimes it's time to be the grown up and walk away.

Indeed, and the onset of night will silence me for a while. If, by morning, I find that @Dodola is still insulting me ...

 

[Dodola]

I've been nothing but polite.

Let's see if it works for me.

 

[Writer61]

I've been nothing but polite.

Let's see if it works for me.

Telling me to 'fuck off' three times is you being polite?

Remember that I said that we had different opinions, and I accepted that?

We obviously have different standards.

 

[Dodola]

Telling me to 'fuck off' three times is you being polite?

Oh boy! We obviously have different standards.

Asking if I'm joining a circus is YOU being polite?

I'm rolling my eyes again.

 

[StillStunned]

Surely you have better things to spend your energy on?

Narrator: "They didn't."

 

[lovecraft68]

Actually, Weird Al asks permission because it's expensive to litigate and he's not certain to win. He even records his own but similar music to further protect himself. Fair use tends to lean towards smaller samplings, not entire works, so his work is in a grey area, unlike the use above.

He's also making pretty good money from it.

 

[SugarStorm]