Impeachment not going so well?

[BotanyBoy]

or you will continue to demonstrate to everyone how seriously butt hurt you are.

Obvious projection is obvious.

 

[gunthernehmen]

No sooner had the House vote its articles of impeachment against President Trump then Speaker Pelosi announced that she was prepared to withhold them from the Senate. Her idea being to force the Senate to follow procedings more to the Democrats’ liking.

There's a term for that in politics. Trying to remember.. Quiz, no that's not right.

Quid.

Quid pro quo.

That's it.

She won't turn it over to the Senate until she gets her quid pro quo.

 

[JackLuis]

Trump border protection agency’s ‘weird and bad’ Christmas joke massively backfires

The United States Customs and Border Protection’s official Twitter account made an attempt at humor to celebrate Christmas — but it massively backfired.

In a tweet posted late on Christmas Eve, the CBP wrote that “Santa, his reindeer and all of the presents have been cleared by CBP for entry into the United States!” The tweet also featured a man dress in a Santa outfit holding up an official-looking identification card.


Twitter responds!
The US is holding 4,000 immigrant children separated from their parents this Christmas. Will this Santa deliver them the vaccines they need, the beds they lack, and their families?

May the spirit of Christmas change this nation, starting with the @CBP, in 2020.

Something about this evokes elves in cages and is very disturbing. https://twitter.com/CBP/status/1209674525727764480 …

Swing and a miss!

 

[phrodeau]

There's a term for that in politics. Trying to remember.. Quiz, no that's not right.

Quid.

Quid pro quo.

That's it.

She won't turn it over to the Senate until she gets her quid pro quo.

Oh, are you admitting that McConnell is a Russian asset?

 

[Cubantripod]

Oh, are you admitting that McConnell is a Russian asset?

The fact that the people that spout this, then question the intellect of Trump supporters is mind numbing.

 

[phrodeau]

The fact that the people that spout this, then question the intellect of Trump supporters is mind numbing.

Trump's quid pro quo was an exchange of favors with foreign officials to benefit his campaign. If you want to say Pelosi is engaged in similar behavior, you need a foreign official to grant a favor.

 

[Cubantripod]

Trump's quid pro quo was an exchange of favors with foreign officials to benefit his campaign. If you want to say Pelosi is engaged in similar behavior, you need a foreign official to grant a favor.

I was quoting to refer to your use of the phrase "Moscow Mitch." This whole Russia narrative is beyond ridiculous.

Quid quo pro is a separate topic, but the fact we went from quid pro quo to bribery to now something as vague and open ended as "abuse of power" without any real investigation raises serious questions about how weak their position was.

 

[Dumpington]

gunthernehmen writes (about Nancy Pelosi): "She won't turn it over to the Senate until she gets her quid pro quo."

Nancy Pelosi ONLY wanted to pass impeachment in the House - she knew ALL ALONG that she & her party were going to LOSE this battle in the U.S. Senate, and would much rather the whole process ended right now so that the U.S. Senate would NOT vindicate this president in the eyes of the American people.

phrodeau responds: "Oh, are you admitting that McConnell is a Russian asset?"

And WHERE exactly do you get "Russian asset" regarding our U.S. Senate Majority Leader from Kentucky? Kentucky isn't in Asia. It's a state bordering Tennessee, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, & West Virginia (which, except for Illinois, ALL voted for President Trump in 2016!) The last time the Russians dared to try and meddle in an American presidential election was back when Barack Obama was in office (the Russians held him in complete contempt!)

Cubantripod writes (regarding phrodeau's angry outburst): "The fact that the people that spout this, then question the intellect of Trump supporters is mind numbing."

I think it's safe to say that phrodeau is deeply unhappy that the Republicans continue to control the U.S. Senate, and that Nancy Pelosi has NO POWER in that legislative body. And because he wants to blame somebody, for now he's blaming Russia.

 

[phrodeau]

I was quoting to refer to your use of the phrase "Moscow Mitch." This whole Russia narrative is beyond ridiculous.

Quid quo pro is a separate topic, but the fact we went from quid pro quo to bribery to now something as vague and open ended as "abuse of power" without any real investigation raises serious questions about how weak their position was.

What is vague about abuse of power? The article of impeachment is very specific about it.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau asks: "What is vague about abuse of power? The article of impeachment is very specific about it."

You seemingly believe that anything that the House Democrats come up with as a reason for impeachment must be valid, which is the way the uneducated Trump-haters universally view things.

But you will soon learn that the U.S. Senate doesn't play by the same childish rules used in the House!

When these silly-assed "abuse of power" charges go before the U.S. Senate in a trial where our Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court presides, you will witness the humiliation inflicted upon the House Democrats for yourself!

Stay tuned, phrodeau - it's gonna get fun (and educational!)

 

[JackLuis]

Speaker Pelosi’s lawyer is buddies with top GOP Supreme Court Justices

The Washington Post did a profile piece on the top lawyer for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), who previously worked in the Justice Department.

Douglas N. Letter is expected to argue two major cases before the High Court involving the separation of powers over President Donald Trump’s taxes and financial records. That only adds to the back-to-back hearings he’s scheduled to argue Jan. 3 at the federal appeals court in Washington, D.C. Those cases involve the secret evidence that Robert Mueller’s grand jury had access to.

“After a 40-year career at the Justice Department, defending policies of presidential administrations from both parties, Letter now speaks for the speaker in courtrooms throughout the country while advising House leaders on impeachment,” The Post reported.

But the most interesting piece of the profile is that Letter has a good enough relationship with Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Neil Gorsuch that both conservative justices celebrated Letter’s departure from the Justice Department. Letter has worked for both sides of the aisle, which allies think is a huge benefit to Pelosi’s team.

“It never hurts to have somebody around who knows the other team’s signals or at least understands how they think,” said former Pelosi chief of staff John Lawrence. He recommended Letter for the position, even though the hiring turned heads.

“There is some irony in his being tagged to push back against executive branch overreach,” said ACLU lawyer Ben Wizner. “As a government lawyer, he defended extravagant claims of executive prerogative, including that the CIA could designate its own illegal activity a state secret and thereby avoid any kind of accountability.”

Oh gee, that may be something Rethug;s have to worry about, but they have all those extremely effective lawyers like Rudy and that other guy.

Dump may be right, this may be very instructive!

 

[jp55665566]

abuse of power? hahahaha

 

[BotanyBoy]

Trump's quid pro quo was an exchange of favors with foreign officials to benefit his campaign.

In the most legitimate of ways, asking the Ukraine to investigate what's going on in the Ukraine.

A perfectly reasonable request from a head of state before giving someone a bunch of money and weapons.

Again, just because it exposes the Bidens for their shady behavior doesn't make it suddenly illegal.

 

[jp55665566]

What benefit? You seriously think President Donald Trump needs help to beat Sleepy Gropin' Joe in an election?

 

[phrodeau]

In the most legitimate of ways, asking the Ukraine to investigate what's going on in the Ukraine.

A perfectly reasonable request from a head of state before giving someone a bunch of money and weapons.

Again, just because it exposes the Bidens for their shady behavior doesn't make it suddenly illegal.

Better tell Gunther that Pelosi’s quid pro quo is legitimate, too.

 

[1Diver2]

All this team arguing and trash talk,
Does anyone care about whats best for the country and the only team that counts
US ! The people ?
The teams should be US and them the crooked career A Holes that jerk our chain all day and we the people.

I mean seriously, do any of you actually support any of this posturing and BS. Do you actually feel it's effeciant or in our best interest?

 

[Dumpington]

jp55665566 writes: "What benefit? You seriously think President Donald Trump needs help to beat Sleepy Gropin' Joe in an election?"

Nobody thinks that - and I don't know of ANY Trump-haters here on this forum who want Joe Biden to be their party's 2020 presidential candidate! They're all quite frustrated that Creepy-Sleepy Joe continues to lead in all of the national polling!

phrodeau complains: "Better tell Gunther that Pelosi’s quid pro quo is legitimate, too."

Nancy promised her base that she'd impeach Trump, but now she's REGRETTING it for the simple reason that her party has no power in the U.S. Senate, and all of her efforts to end Trump's presidency are for naught. And if Joe and/or Hunter Biden are now forced to testify under oath in a U.S. Senate impeachment trial about their shady dealings in the Ukraine, Nancy's efforts will have single-handedly ENDED Joe's presidential bid!

1Diver2 writes: "I mean seriously, do any of you actually support any of this posturing and BS. Do you actually feel it's effeciant or in our best interest?"

The Democratic Party launched this whole thing to show the American people that they're NOT as weak & impotent as they've appeared for the past three years. But now that the House vote is over, it turns out they REMAIN as impotent as ever! And don't think the American people don't see this!

 

[gunthernehmen]

Better tell Gunther that Pelosi’s quid pro quo is legitimate, too.

I was pointing out her hypocrisy, not judging her on the merits of that point.

It's irrelevant anyway. She's made it crystal clear to the voters what this was REALLY all about and she's given a yuge advantage to Trump for 2020.

 

[Cubantripod]

All this team arguing and trash talk,
Does anyone care about whats best for the country and the only team that counts
US ! The people ?
The teams should be US and them the crooked career A Holes that jerk our chain all day and we the people.

I mean seriously, do any of you actually support any of this posturing and BS. Do you actually feel it's effeciant or in our best interest?

If we respected the results of an election we wouldn't be here. Some people think they are entitled to get their way and are willing to destroy everything when they don't.

 

[phrodeau]

If we respected the results of an election we wouldn't be here. Some people think they are entitled to get their way and are willing to destroy everything when they don't.

That’s true, like when Trump shut down the government because he didn’t get his wall funding.

 

[YDB95]

Trump border protection agency’s ‘weird and bad’ Christmas joke massively backfires



Swing and a miss!

I daresay it was NOT a miss with Trump's base. They undoubtedly loved it. Cruelty is the point!

 

[Cubantripod]

Trump's quid pro quo was an exchange of favors with foreign officials to benefit his campaign. If you want to say Pelosi is engaged in similar behavior, you need a foreign official to grant a favor.

We don't know that. That's the conclusion that the Dems. wanted to come to. They also alleged bribery but yet the Articles of Impeachment accuse of him simply of "abuse of power." If the evidence was there, or at the very least was not rushed and a thorough investigation was done in which lawsuits were filed to challenge the use of executive privilege and witnesses were cross examined, the allegation might have been legitimate.

 

[Cubantripod]

That’s true, like when Trump shut down the government because he didn’t get his wall funding.

Trump won in part on building a wall.

 

[phrodeau]

We don't know that. That's the conclusion that the Dems. wanted to come to. They also alleged bribery but yet the Articles of Impeachment accuse of him simply of "abuse of power." If the evidence was there, or at the very least was not rushed and a thorough investigation was done in which lawsuits were filed to challenge the use of executive privilege and witnesses were cross examined, the allegation might have been legitimate.

Attempted bribery is one of the abuses of power in the first article of impeachment. If you read it you would see.

 

[Cubantripod]

Attempted bribery is one of the abuses of power in the first article of impeachment. If you read it you would see.

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/d...les/documents/Articles**0of**0Impeachment.pdf

the word "bribery" is used in citing the Constitution, but not as an allegation of his conduct.