Movie role Dom types.

[Netzach]

I think that one of the best movie doms of all time has been seriously overlooked.

Silent Bob!

I think he likes being verbally slapped up by Miewes though.

 

[Betticus]

I think he likes being verbally slapped up by Miewes though.

I thought that Jay was more like his talking puppet.

 

[evesdream]

I was thinking more about the cigarette scene and his relationship with Ed Norton. And the cult leader kinda vibe he had going.

Yes, I know.

 

[evesdream]

"Strange Days" is rather lame but has one of the best rape scenes ever committed to film.

Right on the money, again.

 

[evesdream]

I'm looking forward to Red Eye....looks kinda promising as far as the dommy/subby thing goes

If it's psycho you're looking for , going by the trailers.

 

[graceanne]

On thinking about it and reading what Jay's been saying I think that Anakin is a switch. He's like Killi, the more dominant the person the more subbmissive he is, and the more submissive the more dominant he is.

 

[Netzach]

I thought that Jay was more like his talking puppet.

yeah, you are right. Bob is the ultimate easygoing Dom who puts up with a ton of shit but eventually there's the smackdown.

 

[sigsauerprinces]

Ralph Fiennes in Shining Through-he played a Nazi SS Officer to Melanie Griffith's feisty spy girl...he never does anything particularly violent or overly Domly in the movie but its simmering under the surface...when i was watching it i felt that even tho he was handsome and cultured, he was capable of anything ...which was very sexy . Him playing that character is one of my favorite "movie Doms"

speaking of Darth Vader, i got tingly feelings as a kid watching Star Wars in the theater when he suffocated the guy at the table just by standing next to him. GAH.

Robert Deniro and Ray Liotta in Goodfellas

 

[Jay Davis]

On thinking about it and reading what Jay's been saying I think that Anakin is a switch. He's like Killi, the more dominant the person the more subbmissive he is, and the more submissive the more dominant he is.

If anyone is familiar with the Marketplace books, by Laura Antoniou, I'd put forward Chris as the archetypal alpha sub. He's a world-class slave trainer, and capable of sometimes shockingly fierce dominant behavior to accomplish his goals, but he is at heart a slave, and he yearns constantly to resume that role. Even when he is in a slave contract, he is used by his master primarily as a trainer of other slaves. He is quite capable of acting creatively and autonomously for weeks, months, even years at a time. Yet having the skills of a dominant, and being able to enjoy using them, doesn't make him a dominant or even a switch deep down inside. He knows his fulfillment and his best use is in service to something or someone greater than himself, and he constantly yearns for such a role, even when he is independent.

I still say Anakin/Vader is an alpha sub, not a switch. He can dominate the hell out of everyone else, but he needs to serve Palpatine and the Dark Side. Even his reversal at the end of Return isn't a throwing over of Palpatine's dominance--it's simply a return of his submission to the Jedi Order and the Light Side. He is never without an ultimate owner, no matter how long he's been acting autonomously at any given time.

I think that the problem is that our conception of what constitutes a sub is often far too narrow and specific, while our definition of a switch is vague and possibly too inclusive. If we're going to use Killi as an example, based on what little I know of her through her own writings, I'd say she's clearly a sub--quite possibly an alpha sub, and certainly possessed of certain dominant traits and inclinations--but by her own admission in multiple threads, her vision of a ideal life places her in submission to a perfect Dom. I believe it is our constant vision of our idealized life that reveals our true dominance or submission, rather than an occasional step across the line between the D and the s.

(My apologies to you, Killishandra, for using you as an example on this. I tried very hard not to put words in your mouth, or thoughts in your head, but based my observations on things you've said yourself.)

 

[Jay Davis]

yeah, you are right. Bob is the ultimate easygoing Dom who puts up with a ton of shit but eventually there's the smackdown.

I totally agree with this assessment.

 

[Marquis]

If anyone is familiar with the Marketplace books, by Laura Antoniou, I'd put forward Chris as the archetypal alpha sub. He's a world-class slave trainer, and capable of sometimes shockingly fierce dominant behavior to accomplish his goals, but he is at heart a slave, and he yearns constantly to resume that role. Even when he is in a slave contract, he is used by his master primarily as a trainer of other slaves. He is quite capable of acting creatively and autonomously for weeks, months, even years at a time. Yet having the skills of a dominant, and being able to enjoy using them, doesn't make him a dominant or even a switch deep down inside. He knows his fulfillment and his best use is in service to something or someone greater than himself, and he constantly yearns for such a role, even when he is independent.

I still say Anakin/Vader is an alpha sub, not a switch. He can dominate the hell out of everyone else, but he needs to serve Palpatine and the Dark Side. Even his reversal at the end of Return isn't a throwing over of Palpatine's dominance--it's simply a return of his submission to the Jedi Order and the Light Side. He is never without an ultimate owner, no matter how long he's been acting autonomously at any given time.

I think that the problem is that our conception of what constitutes a sub is often far too narrow and specific, while our definition of a switch is vague and possibly too inclusive. If we're going to use Killi as an example, based on what little I know of her through her own writings, I'd say she's clearly a sub--quite possibly an alpha sub, and certainly possessed of certain dominant traits and inclinations--but by her own admission in multiple threads, her vision of a ideal life places her in submission to a perfect Dom. I believe it is our constant vision of our idealized life that reveals our true dominance or submission, rather than an occasional step across the line between the D and the s.

(My apologies to you, Killishandra, for using you as an example on this. I tried very hard not to put words in your mouth, or thoughts in your head, but based my observations on things you've said yourself.)

Good shit, this.

 

[TaintedB]

If anyone is familiar with the Marketplace books, by Laura Antoniou, I'd put forward Chris as the archetypal alpha sub. He's a world-class slave trainer, and capable of sometimes shockingly fierce dominant behavior to accomplish his goals, but he is at heart a slave, and he yearns constantly to resume that role. Even when he is in a slave contract, he is used by his master primarily as a trainer of other slaves. He is quite capable of acting creatively and autonomously for weeks, months, even years at a time. Yet having the skills of a dominant, and being able to enjoy using them, doesn't make him a dominant or even a switch deep down inside. He knows his fulfillment and his best use is in service to something or someone greater than himself, and he constantly yearns for such a role, even when he is independent.

I still say Anakin/Vader is an alpha sub, not a switch. He can dominate the hell out of everyone else, but he needs to serve Palpatine and the Dark Side. Even his reversal at the end of Return isn't a throwing over of Palpatine's dominance--it's simply a return of his submission to the Jedi Order and the Light Side. He is never without an ultimate owner, no matter how long he's been acting autonomously at any given time.

I think that the problem is that our conception of what constitutes a sub is often far too narrow and specific, while our definition of a switch is vague and possibly too inclusive. If we're going to use Killi as an example, based on what little I know of her through her own writings, I'd say she's clearly a sub--quite possibly an alpha sub, and certainly possessed of certain dominant traits and inclinations--but by her own admission in multiple threads, her vision of a ideal life places her in submission to a perfect Dom. I believe it is our constant vision of our idealized life that reveals our true dominance or submission, rather than an occasional step across the line between the D and the s.

(My apologies to you, Killishandra, for using you as an example on this. I tried very hard not to put words in your mouth, or thoughts in your head, but based my observations on things you've said yourself.)

Man, we disagree on a lot. I absolutely _despised_ Chris. Talk about a manipulative player. Total dishonest fuckwad. :/

 

[Jay Davis]

Good shit, this.

Thanks. I've thought a lot about all aspects of submission, not just the sexual, over the past couple of years. It's a whole lot deeper than just having some hot asian chick in a leather mini-skirt walk on you in stilettos while she calls you names.

Most importantly, I think the linking of submission and masochism is not nearly as common as our community would like to believe. I never said Vader was a pain slut--I said he was a sub!

Man, we disagree on a lot. I absolutely _despised_ Chris. Talk about a manipulative player. Total dishonest fuckwad. :/

We may not disagree at all. I never said I found Chris sympathetic, or even appealing--just that I believe him when he says he's a submissive in his soul. I'm not sure whether I'd quite buy off on the "total dishonest fuckwad" charge, but he was certainly highly manipulative. I'm not entirely sure who in those books I'd name as the one I identify with most (likely Robin, but then, maybe not...), but it would NOT be Chris. I do agree that the author likes Chris a bit better than he deserves, though, for whatever that's worth.

You will note, however, that character I'm likening Chris to is Darth Vader...hardly the most sympathetic fictional figure we've ever seen.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Thanks. I've thought a lot about all aspects of submission, not just the sexual, over the past couple of years. It's a whole lot deeper than just having some hot asian chick in a leather mini-skirt walk on you in stilettos while she calls you names.

Most importantly, I think the linking of submission and masochism is not nearly as common as our community would like to believe. I never said Vader was a pain slut--I said he was a sub!



We may not disagree at all. I never said I found Chris sympathetic, or even appealing--just that I believe him when he says he's a submissive in his soul. I'm not sure whether I'd quite buy off on the "total dishonest fuckwad" charge, but he was certainly highly manipulative. I'm not entirely sure who in those books I'd name as the one I identify with most (likely Robin, but then, maybe not...), but it would NOT be Chris. I do agree that the author likes Chris a bit better than he deserves, though, for whatever that's worth.

You will note, however, that character I'm likening Chris to is Darth Vader...hardly the most sympathetic fictional figure we've ever seen.

chris= dominant masochist... and a bottomtopper. does what he has to, to fill whatever need he has at the moment. i thought he was hot though and he could surely have me on my knees and begging for whatever he wanted me to beg for at the moment in a blink of an eye.

 

[graceanne]

I still say Anakin/Vader is an alpha sub, not a switch. He can dominate the hell out of everyone else, but he needs to serve Palpatine and the Dark Side. Even his reversal at the end of Return isn't a throwing over of Palpatine's dominance--it's simply a return of his submission to the Jedi Order and the Light Side. He is never without an ultimate owner, no matter how long he's been acting autonomously at any given time.

I think that the problem is that our conception of what constitutes a sub is often far too narrow and specific, while our definition of a switch is vague and possibly too inclusive. If we're going to use Killi as an example, based on what little I know of her through her own writings, I'd say she's clearly a sub--quite possibly an alpha sub, and certainly possessed of certain dominant traits and inclinations--but by her own admission in multiple threads, her vision of a ideal life places her in submission to a perfect Dom. I believe it is our constant vision of our idealized life that reveals our true dominance or submission, rather than an occasional step across the line between the D and the s.

(My apologies to you, Killishandra, for using you as an example on this. I tried very hard not to put words in your mouth, or thoughts in your head, but based my observations on things you've said yourself.)

*sigh* I hate to change my mind or admit to being wrong, but you may be right. Don't let it go to your head.

 

[Jay Davis]

chris= dominant masochist... and a bottomtopper. does what he has to, to fill whatever need he has at the moment. i thought he was hot though and he could surely have me on my knees and begging for whatever he wanted me to beg for at the moment in a blink of an eye.

This is an interesting spin on Chris, and points out that no matter what, he is the most complex and enigmatic character in the series, and therefore the one most subject to debate and speculation.

I'd still argue that what Chris wants more than anything is to find something or someone worthy of serving. The only real criterion in this search is, can whoever or whatever it is actually Dominate Chris, because he's just about the hardest sub in the world to Dominate. If that Dominant turned out to be the Pope, Chris would become an amped-up version of Mother Theresa; if that Dominant turned out to be Stalin, Chris would become the most ruthless KGB director that ever flayed the grandchildren of a dissident. Chris needs a Dominant to give his fierce talent and strength a purpose.

The problem is, there were no more than a handful of people in the world--and maybe none at all--strong enough to Dominate him. But simply lacking an active Dominant doesn't make a submissive not submissive--it just means he's unowned at the moment.

Actually, an in-depth discussion of all this might be very interesting, but we're completely hi-jacking this thread. Should we adjourn to a new one? Is it possible for a Mod to pull the relevant posts out of this one to get a new thread going?

 

[Marquis]

You can do that your damn self, don't be lazy!

 

[canadiancutie]

I am an idiot.

 

[Jay Davis]

You can do that your damn self, don't be lazy!

I'm not (very) lazy, but I am a bit fried at the moment. When I can think better, I'll start a whole new thread about different sub types--that was what I meant, not a Marketplace book club thread.

I honestly was under the impression that there was some magic Moderator voodoo you could work to pull several posts out of one thread and install them into a new one. If that is not the case, thank you for correcting my misapprehension.

 

[Technodivinitas]

So very late, but...

Seen Angela Bassett kicking lots of ass in Strange Days?

Seen Angela Bassett in Waiting to Exhale? Or pretty much anything else for that matter...

Oh yeah. I'd sooooooooooo lick her boots...

 

[Technodivinitas]

Late at night and...

Nobody's posting new stuff, so I'm following older threads backward, thus the late coming posts.

I notice no one's mentioned Rutger Hauer yet but he's up there too in most things.

-B

Oh yes... Long-lived deep deep lust for that man. Yesyes. Speaking of Non-porn D/s... anybody seen "Flesh & Blood?" A major study in rape scenes, topping from the bottom, seductive dominance, and more. One of the hottest films I've seen in this category.

 

[bridgeburner]

Oh yes... Long-lived deep deep lust for that man. Yesyes. Speaking of Non-porn D/s... anybody seen "Flesh & Blood?" A major study in rape scenes, topping from the bottom, seductive dominance, and more. One of the hottest films I've seen in this category.

Not just yeah, but HELL YEAH! When they lift her up off the ground and he asks for spit and they all spit in his hand so he can get it in her, yeah that was fucking hot. I actually liked Jennifer Jason Leigh's performance in this film. Sometimes I think she sucks and she bugs the crap out of me but you're absolutely right about all the power-play nuances and you know exactly who's going to be wearing the leather pants in her marriage.

Damn, I'm going to have to see this film again. I really should just own it as many times as I've ended up renting it.


-B

 

[jasonlf]

Hrm. I was thinking of the matrix in terms of true D/s... I can't really seem to pin any of them into the role, except maybe Morpheus as a dom.

 

[bridgeburner]

Except that Morpheus isn't a Dom, he's a prophet leading the flock waiting for the Messiah. Nobody who's waiting for his Messiah to manifest so he can serve is a Dom. So, even though Neo is the pupil, initially, he's still the Dom --- he's a rule maker/breaker not a rule follower.

The Matrix never struck me as very D/s, though.



-B

 

[Betticus]

Except that Morpheus isn't a Dom, he's a prophet leading the flock waiting for the Messiah. Nobody who's waiting for his Messiah to manifest so he can serve is a Dom. So, even though Neo is the pupil, initially, he's still the Dom --- he's a rule maker/breaker not a rule follower.

The Matrix never struck me as very D/s, though.



-B

What about the Mr. Smith character? He was pretty dominant and in the end he was trying to take over the whole thing. He even managed to invade that one guys head and posess him. He just had the annoying habit of trying to kill everyone.