The future is dense, walkable cities.

[MajorRewrite]

Putting words in my mouth is more ridiculous. I never said or implied it was a "plot."

You certainly did …

people who are reflexively anti-car and seek to drive up the cost of ownership via highly regressive taxes/user fees/unfunded mandates

You’re trying to build a mountain out of tiny little molehills of fees.

 

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

You’re trying to build a mountain out of tiny little molehills of fees.

Our "molehill" is a lower income person's "mountain." I said that explicitly:

These increases are a mild annoyance to someone like me, a white collar professional clearing six digits, while being budget busting for the working poor.

You certainly did …

Actually, I didn't, and since you can't be bothered to quote where I allegedly did, I'm going to accept that as your implicit admission you're making shit up. Since you're doing that, I see no further reason to engage with you. Have a good weekend.

Have fun scratching your head trying to figure out why we keep losing, lol

 

[MajorRewrite]

Our "molehill" is a lower income person's "mountain." I said that explicitly:





Actually, I didn't, and since you can't be bothered to quote where I allegedly did, I'm going to accept that as your implicit admission you're making shit up. Since you're doing that, I see no further reason to engage with you. Have a good weekend.

Have fun scratching your head trying to figure out why we keep losing, lol

Bye! Come back later with one of your other alts!

 

[Chernosoth]

Has anyone else linked Strong Towns yet?
How federal transit funding rewards visible transformation over real performance.

 

[SebastianHolt]

not enough workers to promote the GDP

95% or more, of the jobs will be automated so....

 

[Wilson23]

95% or more, of the jobs will be automated so....

The only conceivable solution to THAT would be Universal Basic Income.

 

[SebastianHolt]

The only conceivable solution to THAT would be Universal Basic Income.

most likely, y es

 

[Wilson23]

But that still leaves the walkability problem. It's a quality-of-life thing -- nobody should have to spend more than one hour behind the wheel in a typical day.

 

[TrailerHitch]

But that still leaves the walkability problem. It's a quality-of-life thing -- nobody should have to spend more than one hour behind the wheel in a typical day.

Says who? I used to have a 2 hour commute one way to work. I enjoyed the trip in listening to the radio and prepping for the day. I enjoyed the ride home decompressing from work so when I was home all of me was there. Not part of me still wrapped up in my job.

 

[Wilson23]

Says who? I used to have a 2 hour commute one way to work. I enjoyed the trip in listening to the radio and prepping for the day. I enjoyed the ride home decompressing from work so when I was home all of me was there. Not part of me still wrapped up in my job.

Nobdy should HAVE to. Most motorists do not enjoy it like you do.

 

[Wilson23]

There is a whole hell of a lot of territory that isn't covered by cities, isn't going to be covered by cities, and isn't ever going to be anywhere close to cities.

But MOST people LIVE in cities. Mass transit can solve THEIR problem.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Nobdy should HAVE to. Most motorists do not enjoy it like you do.

Exactly why this concept is not for everyone. The idea of dense population centers gives me hives. I would have zero interest in living there and I doubt you would find many here or in any rural area that would see that as paradise.

 

[Wilson23]

Exactly why this concept is not for everyone. The idea of dense population centers gives me hives. I would have zero interest in living there and I doubt you would find many here or in any rural area that would see that as paradise.

Nothing under discussion here AFFECTS rural areas. They can and will remain as they are. It's the metro areas with all their suburbs that need retrofitting for walkability.

 

[Chernosoth]

Rural land will increase as suburbs are depopulated, but paved and contaminated ground could take decades to heal and be ready for farming. Farming the former suburbs will be a hard physical life, starting with removing pavement with a pickax and shovel.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Hi 2ut1

Rural land will increase as suburbs are depopulated, but paved and contaminated ground could take decades to heal and be ready for farming. Farming the former suburbs will be a hard physical life, starting with removing pavement with a pickax and shovel.

Removing pavement with a pickax and shovel? Why? Will all the heavy machinery disappear in this utopian world?

 

[Chernosoth]

Removing pavement with a pickax and shovel? Why? Will all the heavy machinery disappear in this utopian world?

The rising energy cost that depopulates the suburbs will make heavy machinery too expensive for all the little farms with horses, mules, and oxen that replace the megafarms. That will also end the internet and some other stuff that seem necessary now but we can get along without.

 

[TrailerHitch]

The rising energy cost that depopulates the suburbs will make heavy machinery too expensive for all the little farms with horses, mules, and oxen that replace the megafarms. That will also end the internet and some other stuff that seem necessary now but we can get along without.

Delusional. Before anyone attacks pavement they would utilize parks, private yards, roadside, and any other open land. The labor to return rate for tearing up pavement and removing the base underneath it would outweigh any perceived gain.

 

[Chernosoth]

Delusional. Before anyone attacks pavement they would utilize parks, private yards, roadside, and any other open land. The labor to return rate for tearing up pavement and removing the base underneath it would outweigh any perceived gain.

Most of the west is becoming drier. The American desert may eventually reach the Mississippi River. Any land with adequate rain could be worth some work.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Most of the west is becoming drier. The American desert may eventually reach the Mississippi River. Any land with adequate rain could be worth some work.

Do you have any idea how roads are built? They remove topsoil and more. Then put in large fill stone and compact it. Then smaller gravel and compact it. Then either asphalt or concrete. It isn't just peeling off the asphalt or concrete to reveal lush topsoil.

 

[Wilson23]

Do you have any idea how roads are built? They remove topsoil and more. Then put in large fill stone and compact it. Then smaller gravel and compact it. Then either asphalt or concrete. It isn't just peeling off the asphalt or concrete to reveal lush topsoil.

But it IS lush topsoil -- grass will grow in the tiniest crack.

 

[Chernosoth]

Do you have any idea how roads are built? They remove topsoil and more. Then put in large fill stone and compact it. Then smaller gravel and compact it. Then either asphalt or concrete. It isn't just peeling off the asphalt or concrete to reveal lush topsoil.

That's why I said it could take decades. Suburban sprawl may become recognized as the worst mistake of our nation's history.

 

[MajorRewrite]

If you’re interested in development or urban design, these projects are worth a look.

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[SebastianHolt]

Rural land will increase as suburbs are depopulated, but paved and contaminated ground could take decades to heal and be ready for farming. Farming the former suburbs will be a hard physical life, starting with removing pavement with a pickax and shovel.

suburbs will NOT depopulate ... sorry

 

[SebastianHolt]

Car suburbs were a failed experiment from the last century. Forcing people to drive everywhere was great for the oil and car industries, but private cars turned out to be an ecological disaster, not to mention the fact that many American cities were gutted to build car infrastructure. Entire neighborhoods were razed to build highways and parking lots.

The way forward is to redirect public spending on car infrastructure to buses and trains. Convert lanes that are currently used for on-street parking into dedicated bus and bike routes. Bring back streetcars. Impose heavy penalties on careless drivers who kill pedestrians.

It will take decades to undo the damage that the private car has done to American cities, but European and Japanese cities can be used as models for how we can get rid of traffic and make our cities easier to get around in.

we will see buildings reach 100 floors and more

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

we will see buildings reach 100 floors and more

Skyscrapers are as inefficient as freeways ... and for similar reasons. The taller you make a building, the more space you lose on lower floors to provide elevator shafts to the top floors. Freeways in cities have the same problem. In order to provide enough parking for suburbanites to drive downtown, you have to tear down buildings where people could live or work and replace them with parking lots.

The most efficient cities have dense neighborhoods with buildings under 5 stories high. Residents can navigate their local neighborhood by walking or biking. Public transit such as trains or buses tie together these walkable pockets.