THE NEW CHYOO (with link)! Also, what features should be part of an updated CHYOO?

[Murakami]

Please post this in the main issues thread for the beta. That is the one we are principally monitoring and where it has the best chance that someone will remember to look into this.

 

[Zingiber]

Chyoa uses Markdown for formatting. Simply separate each paragraph by one or more blank lines.

More info here: http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax

Aha! That helps explain some strange formatting I was seeing in someone else's story -- stray punctuation that Markdown interpreted as starting a formatted block.

-Z.

 

[GoodBoy741]

Please post this in the main issues thread for the beta. That is the one we are principally monitoring and where it has the best chance that someone will remember to look into this.

Where is the main issues thread?

 

[GoodBoy741]

The one thing that I would really like is the ability to search the bodies of the threads, not just the titles and the tags.

Right now I'm trying to add more variables to a story, so that the reader can change a secondary character's name. That would be much easier if I could search for any threads that have her name in them.

Thank you.

 

[Kaitou1412]

Where is the main issues thread?

This is the main issues thread. I merged the topic from JumpMyBones into this thread like I always do, apparently at the same time Murakami was posting his response since it wasn't there when I started the process - I didn't even know it was there until you quoted it. Sorry about the confusion.

 

[Trugbild]

I don't know, man. It looks perfectly fine to me stretched out. Easy to read and flows well. Adding an option for this kind of thing seems way too overly specific, and I don't think many people would really use it.

Without stretching it just looks like a novel.

Stretching out could be done the same way with and without Markdown. In both cases the writer have to insert a blank line between two paragraphs.
That doesn't mean that I am generally against Markdown.


Why does the backticks doesn't work like shown in the Markdown Syntax. They would probably solve my problem with minimal effort.


@JumpMyBones
Currently you can do that by adding two (or more) spaces at the end of every line you want to break

 

[Sixth]

Linking is not currently online. Once Friedman has a chance to get it working, the links in old stories, currently appearing as <NO TITLE> pages, should also be resolved.

Good to hear that this is getting fixed

 

[Sixth]

I'd love to see a list of recently active authors.

Why? If an author updates story A but also writes for story B, C and D then I'm also inclined to check those out, write for them and hope that the active author picks up from my threads and contributes to the stories.

 

[BenjiDude]

Can we get a "mark all as read" button on the story map pages? everything else is looking great.

Though would it not perhaps to make sense to get a brand new forum as well? Cut loose all the "waste" that has built up in recent years on here and start a fresh.

 

[Murakami]

Can we get a "mark all as read" button on the story map pages? everything else is looking great.

Though would it not perhaps to make sense to get a brand new forum as well? Cut loose all the "waste" that has built up in recent years on here and start a fresh.

We aren't finished with the new site's basic functions yet.

 

[Nilth]

I really do think that stories need to be able to merge back in with other threads at some point. Even with the few threads I posted I was already wanting to have several options that didn't influence the main thrust, but just left it open ended instead.

As already said many times in previous posts they're working to (re)implement the functionality, should be ready soon (it was already part of the old chyoo, that's where you see those <no title> in the story map

And I agree with you about both the font size and the fun writing (and reading!) interactive stories, it adds so much.

They are also working on a new approval system (for threads) and on a page where you can quickly check all the rules\functioning of chyoa. The site is growing steadily

 

[JumpMyBones]

Question about Public vs. Private and when replies post

Hi. I'm new and am reading through the forum posts as quickly as I can.

• If this has already been answered, I simply haven't found the answer yet.
• Or if this is the wrong place to ask it, I would love for someone to tell me the proper place.
• Please, if this is the wrong place for this question, don't simply delete the question. (I posted a question yesterday in this forum and when I went to look for responses to it, it was simply gone. It's not in my list of posts in my Profile, so maybe it simply didn't post. Who knows.)

My Question:

• It is my understanding that if a Chyoa story is "private", the host of said story must approve my post.
• I understand why a host would want that, and I support the ability to make stories private.
• However, I have posted replies to threads that are "public", and when I go back to look for those posts, they are not there. Why not?

The issue:

• I want badly to participate in Chyoa. I like it more than I like regular role play.
• But if my posts to other writers' stories are not being posted -- public or private -- than my only other option is to start my own stories.
• But, after beginning several of my own stories in different categories, I have been told by a Chyoa moderator to cease beginning new ones. (Apparently, that moderator -- unnamed in this post -- feels that I have started too many in too short a time span).
• How do I participate in Chyoa if:
  • I have to wait for posts to private threads to be approved, none of which have so far.
  • I post to public threads but my posts are no where to be seen.
  • And I am not allowed to start more threads, which are -- of course -- begun so that other writers can add to them with their own posts.

I'm not complaining! I just don't understand the process. Are my posts to other writers' thread not posting for technical reasons? (I understand that this is a Beta.) Or are even the public threads requiring approval from the host writers?

I want badly to participate, so I would love a response or two from the Moderators. (Of course, any one with knowledge is encouraged to respond. )

 

[Trugbild]

(I posted a question yesterday in this forum and when I went to look for responses to it, it was simply gone. It's not in my list of posts in my Profile, so maybe it simply didn't post. Who knows.)

the post were moved to
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=990287

My Question:
However, I have posted replies to threads that are "public", and when I go back to look for those posts, they are not there. Why not?

new posts to other authors stories must be approved by that author.



Please note, that Chyoa is still in development

 

[Murakami]

Thanks.
Is there a summary post of planned features somewhere you could link to, or would I have to read through all 15 pages?

This was considered, but since Friedman is working alone (I try to handle the reports and the community so he has time to code. Also, I advise on the design. I just don't have the skills to help with this level of coding. If you do and want to help contact Friedman!) it was decided to not put one of these up so it wouldn't turn into "Hey, you said X would be on the site! Why did you lie to us!" if there are issues or things prove too complicated. Please everyone remember, he is doing this in his free time for the community.

 

[Murakami]

"Public" stories are ones accepting submissions, which must be approved by the story editor. The editor may, at his discretion, grant a writer 'trusted' status, which lets them post without waiting for approval.

"Private" stories are locked; only the editor and people he explicitly adds to the story can contribute. This is mostly used for getting things set up or for people who are working on full stories and want to post as they go for feedback. It's also occasionally used for writing contests and things of that nature, where you want only designated participants making contributions.

 

[JumpMyBones]

Let me start by saying that I respect what you, the Moderators, are doing for us and I applaud you for your hard work. What follows is NOT a complaint: I am trying to point out an issue you might not have considered.

The reason writers begin new threads with details and topic specific titles is so that those threads and the responses to them can be easily found and/or responded to by other writers, some of whom might have the same questions themselves.

An example: This thread is specifically about public vs. private threads. And, thank you very much, you did leave it as an individual thread in the Chyoo General forum.

Leaving it as a stand alone thread not only allowed two Moderators to respond directly to the very specific question, but also will allow other writers to see the question and the answers those moderators gave.

However, if it were to be moved to the very general topic forum of Chyoo Site Feedback forum -- as was this one -- which was originally posted in the Chyoo General forum with a very specific topic and descriptive title, then it can't be responded to individually. It's lost in the crowd. Any answers to it will be lost amongst all other posts,

Do you see what I mean?

The question I asked that was moved wasn't about feedback to the Chyoo site: it was about a very specific formatting issue. It was, in fact, answered, thank you very much. But if other people respond to it in the future, those answers will be 10, 20, 50, maybe 100 posts down the list. (BTW, instead of that question being Post #1 in a thread with a handful of helpful responses, it is now buried in an unrelated thread as post #351. )

I understand that Moderating is a tough, time consuming act. That is why I am trying to help by pointing out something might not have considered.

 

[JumpMyBones]

Turning Notification on/off

Wondering if there is a better way:

To turn notification of posts to my threads/stories on/off (particularly if going to bed/getting up), I have to go to my settings and select four icons and follow each with two more key strokes.

Can another option be added, one that turns ALL notifications on/off with just one click?

(I posted this question here because it is a topic specific question to which I am sure MANY people want an answer. Please, don't move it to the Feedback thread where it will get lost in the crowd.

Thanks.

 

[Kaitou1412]

You're addressing the wrong group. On this forum, I'm the lone moderator. Murakami and Friedman only have power on CHYOA. The only reason the other topic escaped for so long is I have this life that consumed my time when it was started and answered.

Now then, if you want me to keep your topics out of this topic, then beg for a new forum on CHYOA or beg CHYOA to become the real CHYOO. If you want to talk about how the forums work, I'm not supposed to allow this topic to continue, since it's a promotion for CHYOA. CHYOA is not an official CHYOO, it's a replacement to compensate for the fact that CHYOO is abandoned and only semi-functioning. If you really want me to observe everything at 100% value, then the topics go and I report the lot of us as spammers. That's why I continue to PM Laurel and Manu about Friedman's work and simultaneously hope we get our own forum on CHYOA - either outcome, I don't have to worry about the forum rules tying my hands.

That said, you're asking about the functions of CHYOA: what it has, how do they work, what can be added, etc. That belongs in this topic. That is why we have this topic. I acknowledge I should have moved this into the CHYOO Authors subsection and offered a slight rename when CHYOA was activated, but this is where the topic is known to be by a certain name and I've been having issues with redirects (they seem to only work for a fraction of the allotted time), so I decided to leave it here. Technically, nothing in this topic is about feedback anymore, it's all about learning what's there and what we'd like to be added. When CHYOA makes it out of Beta and assuming we still don't have an on-site forum, I might be convinced to turn this back into a should topic while treating these like CHYOA forums. Until then, we stick to the one topic format, primarily because I'm still hoping we do something to remove these ties around my hands before then.

I assure you every post is given due consideration, and usually very quickly. If it slips through the cracks initially, I'm more than willing to quote it and voice my opinion or understanding to draw the necessary attention from someone more suited - and I hope I'm not the only one willing to perform this. You've yet to fail at getting a reply, the only problem you've had is finding it, and that's because of my redirect problems and you don't actually search your own posts to find your questions (which maintain their titles in the search function).

Furthermore, don't drag in other writers' intentions. Usually, they bottom out to laziness, not a desire to learn. When CHYOO went semi-functional, I made a master topic outlining the tricks necessary to use it and gave it a sticky to ensure everyone could see it, yet I consistently had several users making new topics to discuss the issues or bumping old topics to find their answers. Even if I ran these like CHYOA forums and left everything spread out, I'd still be merging topics. I find it rather appalling that a site about reading is full of people with no intention of reading even if it means minimizing the strain on others' time, but I've kept that opinion to myself until now.

 

[JumpMyBones]

Kaitou1412

Please do not think I am trying to make your life hard with my persistence. I simply don't understand.

I have a lot of questions/comment below, but they are all moot if the answer to this one is "yes": are you saying that Chyoa is unauthorized, that it isn't connected to Literotica, and that we are all hitchhikers who at any moment could see our hard work simply vanish with the touch of a button?

Again, if the answer is yes, you don't need to read on because none of what follows matters. I would like a yes or no, however, because if the answer is "yes", I have no reason to continue on Chyoa. I already had years of role play on RPG disappear when that site's owner didn't pay the internet bill and let the site die.

Jeez, and I've been having so much fun. How heart breaking. I love choose your own style role play.

Well, anyway, if the answer was "no", keep reading ... if you have the time.


Concerning your post above:

• I understand you are the sole moderator for the Chyoo forums, and I applaud you for it.
• But I don't understand why threads that are topic specific have to be bunched together in one thread.
• What harm comes from allowing us to post topic specific threads in the Chyoo General forum? Does it take more electrons to organize our questions in separate threads? (Sorry, it's 2am and I've had 2 beers.)
• The topic specific threads are easier to manage when separated; they provide better service to the writers; AND, most importantly, they make a Moderator's job easier by separating out topics to which he wishes to respond.
• Wouldn't you prefer that ONE person ask a question about Private vs. Public in a thread titled "Private vs. Public", rather than have a dozen people ask the question again and again because they didn't see the original question, buried in an orgy of posts in a mis-named thread?
• I'm sorry, but I just don't get it.
• Why should the Moderators/Owners of Literotica care if we are better organized. I would think that they would invite it. After all, they are very well organized in the main Literotica forums. I have always been impressed with the way the main forums are organized. Kudos to the owners.

I promise you right now that I will not post another reply like this. No more headaches from me. Really

 

[Nilth]

Please everyone remember, he is doing this in his free time for the community.

WHAT?! I didn't know this. Than double kudos to you, guys. I must say I'm really disappointed in the owners of literotica though.

Murakami one of us could help by writing the page on the rules and functioning of chyoa, so that F. can work on the coding.

 

[Kaitou1412]

Kaitou1412

Please do not think I am trying to make your life hard with my persistence. I simply don't understand.

I have a lot of questions/comment below, but they are all moot if the answer to this one is "yes": are you saying that Chyoa is unauthorized, that it isn't connected to Literotica, and that we are all hitchhikers who at any moment could see our hard work simply vanish with the touch of a button?

Again, if the answer is yes, you don't need to read on because none of what follows matters. I would like a yes or no, however, because if the answer is "yes", I have no reason to continue on Chyoa. I already had years of role play on RPG disappear when that site's owner didn't pay the internet bill and let the site die.

Yes, CHYOA is technically unauthorized. The official Literotica sister site is http://www.chyoo.com. However, earlier this year, in either a hack attack or a serious glitch, the site went down. Hard. It's been restored to a semi-functioning state, but we're not happy with it. Furthermore, there were many problems in the site before - major ones being the absence of a change password feature, the ability to alter stories and threads without the proper privileges, and stories disappearing without a trace. Literotica could not update the site, claiming the person who coded CHYOO departed and they had no clue what to do anymore, and the semi-functional state making thread submission unnecessarily difficult became the last straw for us. Friedman was nice enough to volunteer to update CHYOO, but when Laurel and Manu (the governing users of Literotica and CHYOO) failed to write back, Friedman was forced to design it unofficially. Since it's unofficial, all topics about it amount to advertisements and off-topic, which I'm supposed to delete.

However, don't let this deter you. An unofficial CHYOO was made once in the past, and it motivated Literotica to update the real CHYOO. It's also my understanding some stories and threads were migrated over from the unofficial to the official, though you're better off asking someone who was present in the community at that time for confirmation and not trust this statement of mine. If Literotica finally addresses CHYOA, the process can be reversed, migrating CHYOA to CHYOO and making the unofficial official. That's why, in the Beta form, I'm restricting all topics to this topic. I'm hoping that the time it takes Friedman to complete the Beta will be enough time to finally make CHYOA CHYOO.

Accept CHYOA for now, but be mindful of the possibility we migrate back to CHYOO. I honestly can't imagine anyone throwing a fit over us migrating from a semi-functional site that was an invitation for hacking to a fully functional (if developing) site with no apparent holes for the rats of the internet. And I maintain it's only a matter of time before CHYOA becomes official, and - after meditating on it - I've decided to treat it as the official once it's out of the Beta phase. At that point, I figure CHYOO will officially start dying until Laurel and Manu decide to save it by cooperating with Friedman.

• Wouldn't you prefer that ONE person ask a question about Private vs. Public in a thread titled "Private vs. Public", rather than have a dozen people ask the question again and again because they didn't see the original question, buried in an orgy of posts in a mis-named thread?

As I said, even if I allow this to spread out, there's still going to be a variety of topics on a single subject. The simple fact is most users have no interest in scouring the forums for their answers and instead want someone to deliver them personally. In fact, on other forums, I find people who post in a topic without reading the introductory post. I would rather have one person ask the one question, but regardless of my actions here, I'm going to get a dozen people asking that one question, and probably significantly more.

 

[mu70]

Is there a chance that in the future user will be able to see when other user were online the last time? Currently I think I might waste time writing additions to story that might have been abandoned and since the new chyoo these additions won't show up in the story before they are approved, so no one will ever actually read them, which is sad...

 

[Friedman]

Is there a chance that in the future user will be able to see when other user were online the last time? Currently I think I might waste time writing additions to story that might have been abandoned and since the new chyoo these additions won't show up in the story before they are approved, so no one will ever actually read them, which is sad...

Yes, the time of last activity will be displayed in the future. In addition, moderators will be able to approve threads if the owner or editor wasn't active for a certain time.

 

[GoodBoy741]

I'd like to suggest before naming something the Story of the Week, the editor must have been active within the last month. I added a couple of threads to Sweet Desperation, and after two weeks they haven't been approved.

That happens sometimes, but I don't feel it should happen for a story that gets highlighted on the front page.

 

[pbennito54]

I may be thinking this incorrectly, but when i look at the story maps, the new treads show up as green unread not blue updated and after i read them they show up white, so is the blue necessary? BTW i love the new site, thanks to all that worked on it