THIS is "oppression" and "discrimination."

[JNaylor]

Oh, horse shit!

Google Koch Bothers and Fox River. Google superfund sites. Google BP oil spill and Transoceanic.

Now say again you don't know of a single business man / corporation that wants to harm the environment. I need a good laugh cuz your stupidity is funny.

google

 

[JNaylor]

Well, it is a problem. But your post is so full of contradictions and false correlations that it's not worth talking to you about it.

Well I've

 

[JNaylor]

I think he's just from the old school.

You know, the time when you looked at a guy like me and thought, "We can't let that faggot in here, he'd spend all his time "cleaning barrels".
Plus, I dunno- saying that guys fawn over chicks so hardcore they can't get their work done is... really insulting to us men-folk. I LOVE chicks, but I don't look at them and immediently think, "I wanna hit that worse then I wanna get paid." If you don't walk that street and make that dollar, then fuck off- we're broke as shit and trying to work.

That said, we got 15 minutes, you wanna quicky in the break room? (Not like we haven't all done it before, people- or that one spot way high up when I worked in the library, lol). My point is, I hate the way that men are depicted as mindless dick machines. I'm not.

Plus, if you see two guys in your unit fucking- here's what you do- discretely close the door and walk away. It'll be ok.

Wait unt

 

[Safe_Bet]

google code pink, google George Sorro's etc..etc..this could go on forever. I'm not going to change your mind, Your not going to change mine, it is what it is. There are asshole businessmen and there lefttist commies, all working toward their own agenda, they both suck. So who wins?

Your frustration is appearant when, in the abscence of a valid argument you resort to name calling, which seems to be one of the things you despise when its done to you, yet you have no problem doing it to others. The word hypocrite comes to mind again.

Hahahahahaha!!!!! Yeah, George Soros and his $14+ billion dollars is SUCH a communist! Jesus dude, buy a freakin dictionary will you?

Oh, and I thought you were a college professor. Now you've spent 20 in business???? Pfffffft! (in any even I'll match the letters after my name and business credentials any day - in other words I KNOW you're full of shit).

 

[Safe_Bet]

Young men in their late teens and early twenties are mindless dick machines, at least the straight ones are. Pussy has that effect on us.

You have no concept of how demeaning your chavinistic and sexist attitude is, do you?

Women are not "pussy". They are living, breathing, thinking, EQUAL human beings who deserve the respect of their male counterparts. deal with it, piglet.

 

[2wet4words]

It's not worth it

google code pink, google George Sorro's etc..etc..this could go on forever. I'm not going to change your mind, Your not going to change mine, it is what it is. There are asshole businessmen and there lefttist commies, all working toward their own agenda, they both suck. So who wins?

Your frustration is appearant when, in the abscence of a valid argument you resort to name calling, which seems to be one of the things you despise when its done to you, yet you have no problem doing it to others. The word hypocrite comes to mind again.

This is one angry person who cannot have a conversation without calling names.

It's a shame!

I leave the thread to her.

Professor, don't waste your time.

 

[Safe_Bet]

This is one angry person who cannot have a conversation without calling names.

It's a shame!

I leave the thread to her.

Professor, don't waste your time.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

Let's see, today I've been called a hypocrite and a moron by him and I called him a piglet. Yet, you are leaving because I'm calling him names.

Gotcha! :eyeroll:

 

[Stella_Omega]

Well I've been in business for over twenty years so I know a few things about it. I've seen industry after industry dry up in this country and move away. I've seen thousands of boarded up plants all across this country and people out of work and I've seen a government working against economic growth in favor of environmental policies, among other things. You seem to think profit is a bad word but without profit employee's don't get paid, they don't get insurance, or bonuses, they don't even get jobs. I've never worked for a greedy, environment hating boss. Most of my employers have been very generous to me and to the community, building schools, donating to fire departments, libraries, ambulances, charities etc. How dare those evil bastards do such a thing?

I don't think that "profit" means to you what it means to some other people. They don't want profit for paying their employees. They don't want to put the company's money into the company. They want profits to pay for their own bonuses, their own pensions, their own games.

 

[I_LIKE_PEAS]

I see it all the time. Kids getting passed through high school that can barely read or write and have elementary grade level math skills. I think rather than trying to bring those students up they have dumbed down the classes so that they can pass. I have some old text books that I bought from the 1950's that still had some of the students work in them and the stuff was off the charts compared to what's being taught today. My criticism wasn't of you but of the sytem in general.

I have studied military history for well over twenty years. Everything from the Zulu wars in Africa to the civil war, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Russo-japanese, Russo-finnish and many others. I have never read anywhere that Gays would not make good soldiers. The argument has always been about unit cohesion, its the same argument for not wanting women in combat. Its not that women can't fight, because clearly they can, its that in a combat situation you need each unit to be banded together as one. If you throw a woman into the mix then there will be turmoil among the ranks as the men vie for her attention by doing stupid things to show off, become overly protective of her or fight amongst each other over her. I am not a military man myself but I work in a predominanlty male industry and if a woman is interjected into the mix things fall apart almost immediately. Its not her fault its the way men behave.

The reason the military did not want gays among the ranks is partly for the protection of the gay men themselves. I am not gay myself but I have seen how gay men are treated and in the military they would not be treated well. Probably less so today than they would have been 20 or 30 years ago. You cannot have that kind of thing going on and have a cohesive fighting unit. Anyone that thinks you can is simply wrong. There may be times it is not a problem but there will be plenty of times that it is. Again its not the gay mans fault but its the way young men behave. And yes you could get out of the draft if you were gay. You would also get booted out if you were caught if you lied about it and got in.

You are totally wrong there bub. They said the same shit about blacks and women in the military. Their would be some adjusting by letting gays serve openly just like there was for blacks and women. Every problem within the military during times of integration can be traced back to poor leadership. When leaders fail to lead the troops discipline fails. When leaders enforce a zero tolerance the troops will fall in line.

 

[CandiCame]

Wait until you work 7 days a week, 12 to 15 hours a day, for two or three years and rarely see another female, then have a stunningly beautiful young thing hire in. Its like throwing raw meat to a pack of starving dogs. Your still in college, your surronded by pussy every day so you have no idea what its like in a shop environment. I've seen it happen a dozen times, same result every time.

Young men in their late teens and early twenties are mindless dick machines, at least the straight ones are. Pussy has that effect on us.

I don't know of any place that I could conceivably work where I wouldn't see a chick- plus, even in some magical, "sausage fest" workplace, do you never go out drinking? Grocery shopping? To a restaurant? Dude, chicks are everywhere. This statement is... really fucking weird.

And I AM a young man in my late teens/early 20s. (I'll be 19 on the 10th) and the only time I'm like that is when I'm so shitfaced drunk (underage drinking is bad, I know) and then I'm to slurry to coherently get myself laid- I wind up saying something stupid like, "OMG NICE TITS, WANNA FUCK!" and getting fucking ignored at best, and MACED at worse. It's ok because you know you deserve it and can't really feel pain... for like 3 seconds. Nothing sobers you up faster then police lights or a face-full of pepper spray. You sound a LOT like a rapist here. Like... a lot.

Don't you remember those classes you have to go to in like, 6th-12th grade about how not to be a rapist? The main point they kept saying is that if you think like that, you're probably a rapist. You might wanna look into that...

 

[CandiCame]

Hey, what do girls do when we're in anti-rape/wet dream/sex class? I know they take the chicks into another room- what do you guys do in there? I've always kinda wondered.

 

[twister947]

Lots of opinion masquerading as fact in this thread...I spent 24 years on active duty, and don't have any answers. Questions, yes, but no answers.

Gays will be admitted into the armed forces, because it's the right thing to do. There will probably be some problems, just as there are with anything new. <shrug> As a CO, problem solving was my job. Will gays in the military get people killed? Maybe, but then, failures in leadership get people killed all the time, and while we deplore it, no one is suggesting we not have leaders.

Into the Valley of Death rode the 600...

 

[teknight]

Well I've been in business for over twenty years so I know a few things about it. I've seen industry after industry dry up in this country and move away. I've seen thousands of boarded up plants all across this country and people out of work and I've seen a government working against economic growth in favor of environmental policies, among other things. You seem to think profit is a bad word but without profit employee's don't get paid, they don't get insurance, or bonuses, they don't even get jobs. I've never worked for a greedy, environment hating boss. Most of my employers have been very generous to me and to the community, building schools, donating to fire departments, libraries, ambulances, charities etc. How dare those evil bastards do such a thing?

Actually, the employees' wages are a part of the costs of the company. The profits are over and above the costs and accrue to the owners/ investors.

 

[JNaylor]

I don't think that "profit" means to you what it means to some other people. They don't want profit for paying their employees. They don't want to put the company's money into the company. They want profits to pay for their own bonuses, their own pensions, their own games.

I agree

 

[JNaylor]

Actually, the employees' wages are a part of the costs of the company. The profits are over and above the costs and accrue to the owners/ investors.

True, but

 

[JNaylor]

Lots of opinion masquerading as fact in this thread...I spent 24 years on active duty, and don't have any answers. Questions, yes, but no answers.

Gays will be admitted into the armed forces, because it's the right thing to do. There will probably be some problems, just as there are with anything new. <shrug> As a CO, problem solving was my job. Will gays in the military get people killed? Maybe, but then, failures in leadership get people killed all the time, and while we deplore it, no one is suggesting we not have leaders.

Into the Valley of Death rode the 600...

Your probably the voice of authority on this issue. The rest of us are merely speculating. Thank you for your service.

 

[JNaylor]

I don't know of any place that I could conceivably work where I wouldn't see a chick- plus, even in some magical, "sausage fest" workplace, do you never go out drinking? Grocery shopping? To a restaurant? Dude, chicks are everywhere. This statement is... really fucking weird.

And I AM a young man in my late teens/early 20s. (I'll be 19 on the 10th) and the only time I'm like that is when I'm so shitfaced drunk (underage drinking is bad, I know) and then I'm to slurry to coherently get myself laid- I wind up saying something stupid like, "OMG NICE TITS, WANNA FUCK!" and getting fucking ignored at best, and MACED at worse. It's ok because you know you deserve it and can't really feel pain... for like 3 seconds. Nothing sobers you up faster then police lights or a face-full of pepper spray. You sound a LOT like a rapist here. Like... a lot.

Don't you remember those classes you have to go to in like, 6th-12th grade about how not to be a rapist? The main point they kept saying is that if you think like that, you're probably a rapist. You might wanna look into that...

Well you've

 

[JNaylor]

You are totally wrong there bub. They said the same shit about blacks and women in the military. Their would be some adjusting by letting gays serve openly just like there was for blacks and women. Every problem within the military during times of integration can be traced back to poor leadership. When leaders fail to lead the troops discipline fails. When leaders enforce a zero tolerance the troops will fall in line.

Well you

 

[JNaylor]

Hahahahahaha!!!!! Yeah, George Soros and his $14+ billion dollars is SUCH a communist! Jesus dude, buy a freakin dictionary will you?

Oh, and I thought you were a college professor. Now you've spent 20 in business???? Pfffffft! (in any even I'll match the letters after my name and business credentials any day - in other words I KNOW you're full of shit).

They never

 

[JNaylor]

This is one angry person who cannot have a conversation without calling names.

It's a shame!

I leave the thread to her.

Professor, don't waste your time.

Yeah I'm with you. I've said my piece, time to move on.

 

[CandiCame]

They never told me you couldn't be a professor and a business man at the same time...I suppose all of those adjuncts at Harvard haven't been told either becuase their getting away with it. Not sure where you were educated but you should ask for your money back.

Yeah, but how can you be a college professor and not see women all the time? I mean, there are so many chicks at college? What job are you working at for 15 hours where there are no women?

(gonna be 20, BTW, my bad)

I didn't say I had all the answers, I just really can't imagine ANY job where you wouldn't see women. That's just odd to me. Especially as a college professor; there are tons of women in college- so at least your students, who you would see every day, would be comprised of men and women.

And if you didn't go to the grocery store, or restaurants how did you eat?

And the rapist tendencies I mentioned weren't the ones in which I was drunk, it was the one in which you see a chick and think, "I need to fuck that" more then, "I need the money from this job".

Also, you don't know me. I have worked 15-hour days. Stripping tobacco. It sucked. There were chicks there. They also thought it sucked. There were guys there- they also thought it sucked. We talked after work, during work, and before work, about how bad it sucked. Then they talked about UK. I don't watch or care about sports so I mostly talked about how bad stripping tobacco sucked.

 

[JNaylor]

Yeah, but how can you be a college professor and not see women all the time? I mean, there are so many chicks at college? What job are you working at for 15 hours where there are no women?

(gonna be 20, BTW, my bad)

I didn't say I had all the answers, I just really can't imagine ANY job where you wouldn't see women. That's just odd to me. Especially as a college professor; there are tons of women in college- so at least your students, who you would see every day, would be comprised of men and women.

And if you didn't go to the grocery store, or restaurants how did you eat?

And the rapist tendencies I mentioned weren't the ones in which I was drunk, it was the one in which you see a chick and think, "I need to fuck that" more then, "I need the money from this job".

Also, you don't know me. I have worked 15-hour days. Stripping tobacco. It sucked. There were chicks there. They also thought it sucked. There were guys there- they also thought it sucked. We talked after work, during work, and before work, about how bad it sucked. Then they talked about UK. I don't watch or care about sports so I mostly talked about how bad stripping tobacco sucked.

I worked

 

[JNaylor]

Hahahahahaha!!!!! Yeah, George Soros and his $14+ billion dollars is SUCH a communist! Jesus dude, buy a freakin dictionary will you?

Oh, and I thought you were a college professor. Now you've spent 20 in business???? Pfffffft! (in any even I'll match the letters after my name and business credentials any day - in other words I KNOW you're full of shit).

Soros ma

 

[I_LIKE_PEAS]

Soros may not be a communists himself he does however fund over 125 different communist and socialist organizations, many of which I'm sure your a member. He is the only capatalist that the left seems to admire even though he uses his wealth and power to bring down entire nations economies and then brags about the fact that he did it and made huge profits in the process. I know him very well..

As for credentials they don't mean shit if you never do anything with them. its one thing to earn a degree its quite another to go out in the world and make it..how many payrolls have you met? When is the last time you made a $1,000,000.00 purchase for your company? Being an acedemic does not equal real world experience. I made my first million before I was thirty years old. My innovations have revolutionised three seperate industries. Top auto executives in Detroit, with credentials far exceeding your own, have reffered to me as an engineering guru and have sought my advice for years. I did this with an associates degree from a small college. What have you done with all your fancy credentials?

I would think with this degree of superiority over us small fries you would be able to use a spell check.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Soros may not be a communists himself he does however fund over 125 different communist and socialist organizations, many of which I'm sure your a member. He is the only capatalist that the left seems to admire even though he uses his wealth and power to bring down entire nations economies and then brags about the fact that he did it and made huge profits in the process. I know him very well..

As for credentials they don't mean shit if you never do anything with them. its one thing to earn a degree its quite another to go out in the world and make it..how many payrolls have you met? When is the last time you made a $1,000,000.00 purchase for your company? Being an acedemic does not equal real world experience. I made my first million before I was thirty years old. My innovations have revolutionised three seperate industries. Top auto executives in Detroit, with credentials far exceeding your own, have reffered to me as an engineering guru and have sought my advice for years. I did this with an associates degree from a small college. What have you done with all your fancy credentials?

LOL!!!

I'm laughing my ass off at your assumptions AND your bullshit.

BTW, Mr. College Professor, that should be "you're" not "your".

Oh, also what kind of college let's people teach with an Associate's Degree? (especially considering Ohio REQUIRES a minimum of a 4 yr. Degree. )