THIS is "oppression" and "discrimination."

[I_LIKE_PEAS]

LOL!!!

I'm laughing my ass off at your assumptions AND your bullshit.

BTW, Mr. College Professor, that should be "you're" not "your".

Oh, also what kind of college let's people teach with an Associate's Degree? (especially considering Ohio REQUIRES a minimum of a 4 yr. Degree. )

He was probably granted an honorary degree due to his innovations in three different industries.

Here I thought my grandpap had the biggest fish stories.

 

[JNaylor]

I would think with this degree of superiority over us small fries you would be able to use a spell check.

Yeah I need to download ispell on here. Spell check won't work without it. Typing is not my thing.

 

[RjThoughts]

LOL!!!

I'm laughing my ass off at your assumptions AND your bullshit.

BTW, Mr. College Professor, that should be "you're" not "your".

Oh, also what kind of college let's people teach with an Associate's Degree? (especially considering Ohio REQUIRES a minimum of a 4 yr. Degree. )

I have TWO associates - in Business Administration and Computer Science. In the state of New York, I can't teach in ANY school, not public or private. I can subsititute, and have, in Catholic schools. College? Really?

 

[CandiCame]

I worked as a machinist at the time. I have only been a college professor for the last five years. I was in my early twenties (early 1990's) when I was working those hours. There are very few female machinists. I used to work from 6:00 a.m to midnight for over a year, seven days a week. My wife did all the shopping. I ate most meals at work. We had vending machines and a truck would arrive at lunch time with hot food or we would order pizza. You spend that much time with a couple of hundred guys and you really miss being around women. I was married when I was 19 so I never did the bar thing too much.

Even today though I work seven days a week, I work from 8:00 a.m to 9:00 or ten pm and I teach college classes in the evenings three nights a week. usually until 10:00 p.m. I pull a lot of 24 hour shifts and some 40 hour shifts. Even did a 65 hour shift a few weeks ago with no breaks and no sleep. It sucks but times are tough right now so when you get some work you need to take it and get it done.

I'm 45 so not being around women today isn't the same as when I was tewnty one or so. We would never attack a woman or talk badly to her but our behavior around women was much different than when none were present. We just showed off more and usually made more mistakes because we weren't paying attention to our work as much as we were her. Just human nature.

Wait, so you were married and you STILL goofed off for the ladies? Also, why would goofing off get you laid? Your generation and mine have no idea what the other is talking about do we? If anything, if there's a chick I'm trying to impress, I work harder, then brag about stupid shit (and I mean stupid shit, video game scores, anything that I'm good at) when I'm actually on break. I want her to see that I'm not broke, or a dumbass, or a chump, or any of that stupid shit. I would never have thought, "If I fuck off, this chick'll like me." That just seems so odd to me... be it 20 years ago or today. Especially if you're working in- was it a factory setting? That seems like a good way to get your hand cut off or something- no one's gonna want to fuck someone with no hand unless you've got an awesome "how I lost my hand" story- like that dude that fought the shark on animal planet. But it she sees you lose your hand because you're a dumbass- I'm pretty sure she's gonna think, "Whow, that guys a dumbass. Not gonna be fucking him."

Yeah, I used to work at a factory where we had the food truck. It had little White Castle burgers, which was pretty cool. That can't be, "Just human nature" because people don't do that now- to the point that it's weird to us. I mean, I'm not the only person on the board who had no idea what you were talking about. It's gotta be something cultural from older generations that we, as a culture, just decided to quit doing... probably because a lot of guys lost hands and shit. Or got maced. Still sounds like you'd get maced.

 

[JNaylor]

LOL!!!

I'm laughing my ass off at your assumptions AND your bullshit.

BTW, Mr. College Professor, that should be "you're" not "your".

Oh, also what kind of college let's people teach with an Associate's Degree? (especially considering Ohio REQUIRES a minimum of a 4 yr. Degree. )

I'm not

 

[JNaylor]

I have TWO associates - in Business Administration and Computer Science. In the state of New York, I can't teach in ANY school, not public or private. I can subsititute, and have, in Catholic schools. College? Really?

Must be

 

[RjThoughts]

I'm not from Ohio and I don't teach in ohio. Guess what..my names not really JNaylor either. I teach very specialised technology courses for a specific field(and no its not english). The only stipulation is that I cannot become a full time faculty member without a 4 year degree. While you were paying to be brainwashed in college by your leftist professors I was learning some really cool, high tech shit and getting paid to do it.

I see you didn't mention any of your accomplishments? Must not be any worth mentioning.

And Rightist leaning teachers and the like CAN'T brainwash?

My first computer programming teacher did not have a 4-year degree, but he was one of the first at General Electric to work in their "Computer Room." Yes, at the FIRST plant, in Schenectady. He taught us how to program by showing us "REAL LIFE" problems. He had 20+ years at the plant..and guess what? He was gay! Did he try to "Brainwash" us on his sexuality? I don't know, because I was a clueless teenager who was too interested in the hot, big breasted coeds!!

Sexuality AND political leanings have NEVER been in the high tech side of education, and if you believe otherwise, you've been brainwashed by the right.

 

[RjThoughts]

Must be a New York thing. I looked into teaching at the high school without a degree (but with nearly thirty years of experience) and was told that they first had to try to hire someone with a four year degree and if they were unable to fill the position then they could hire someone with out a 4 year degree but with sufficient real world experience provided they could prove competency.

The smaller colleges hire many adjunct professors with out 4 year degree's if they have experience in the field they are teaching. In 25 to 30 years of doing something you learn a hell of a lot more about it then you would in four years of college. I don't think you could get away with it with certain things like Math, English, physics etc but for a lot of the technical courses it works out well.

Technical schools, religious affiliated schools, those that aren't truly accredited with 2 and 4 year schools. My area has MANY tech schools, grinding out mechanics, welders, and the like that USED TO have to apprentice, but too many Americans feel that they can't be bothered with starting out at the bottom, starting out pushing a broom at a garage.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I agree Stella, there are plenty of greedy CEO's of big corporations and I have no sympathy for them. I have never worked for a large corporation like that but I have done business with them. Most employers that I know personally are not like that though.

unfortunately, those "most employers" have been the victims of piracy. because they cared that little bit less about money, they've had all of their funds ripped right out from under them along with the rest of us.

I cant even describe the difference-- it isn't even "greed." It's as if money numbers are everything in life. The numbers. The thing is-- those numbers represent something real to the rest of us, and as these men gather all the numbers into their hands they are gathering the dollars that those number represent. The money-- the purchasing power of the money-- seems to be meaningless to these guys. But they have it anyway, while the rest of us go without.

I don't know if you remember Peter Max, the psychedelic artist from the sixites? He came into contact with Wall street types. Healways claimed hewas greedy-- enjoyed making moeny, loved getting big ticket for his paintings. But he had no clue whatsoever, that there were people who loved money theway these guys do.

here's a link. read it and see if it doesn't turn your stomach the way it does mine.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/07/peter-marx-excerpt-201007

 

[CandiCame]

This thread- it has gone to the crazy.

But in KY, you can substitute with an associates and teach with a Ba.

Using life experience is really dangerous, it can lead to the "Experience over Evidence" logical fallacy. So it's actually looked down upon, especially in careers where logical snap judgments are necessary, like law enforcement. Plus, they have to pay people with more experience a higher salary, so the person fresh out of school is more likely to get hired. This has led to a high number of "agism" lawsuits, but the courts have so far decided that this particular form of "discrimination" makes sense. If your evidence is not empirically supported, then it can lead to very poor judgment. Teaching is treated similarly. I've already had job offers for when I get out of school. God, I hope I make it as a game designer.

 

[JNaylor]

And Rightist leaning teachers and the like CAN'T brainwash?

My first computer programming teacher did not have a 4-year degree, but he was one of the first at General Electric to work in their "Computer Room." Yes, at the FIRST plant, in Schenectady. He taught us how to program by showing us "REAL LIFE" problems. He had 20+ years at the plant..and guess what? He was gay! Did he try to "Brainwash" us on his sexuality? I don't know, because I was a clueless teenager who was too interested in the hot, big breasted coeds!!

Sexuality AND political leanings have NEVER been in the high tech side of education, and if you believe otherwise, you've been brainwashed by the right.

Well I've

 

[JNaylor]

unfortunately, those "most employers" have been the victims of piracy. because they cared that little bit less about money, they've had all of their funds ripped right out from under them along with the rest of us.

I cant even describe the difference-- it isn't even "greed." It's as if money numbers are everything in life. The numbers. The thing is-- those numbers represent something real to the rest of us, and as these men gather all the numbers into their hands they are gathering the dollars that those number represent. The money-- the purchasing power of the money-- seems to be meaningless to these guys. But they have it anyway, while the rest of us go without.

I don't know if you remember Peter Max, the psychedelic artist from the sixites? He came into contact with Wall street types. Healways claimed hewas greedy-- enjoyed making moeny, loved getting big ticket for his paintings. But he had no clue whatsoever, that there were people who loved money theway these guys do.

here's a link. read it and see if it doesn't turn your stomach the way it does mine.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/07/peter-marx-excerpt-201007

I agree

 

[RjThoughts]

Well I've never seen a right leaning teacher but yes they could brainwash. I don't think brainwashing in either direction is a good thing. Just teach the subject matter. I work with a lot of lefties and I see brainwashing on a large scale, not anything to do with being gay, just political brainwashing.

The fact that your teacher didn't have a 4 year degree but did have real world experience makes my point. You would be surprised at how many colleges are doing that these days. By hiring folks like us and not allowing us to become full time the college saves a lot of money and they don't have to deal with tenure.

I don't bring polotics up in my classes because it has no bearing on what I'm teaching but one of the classes I follow is a math class, yet everyday when I come into the room there is nothing but green this and green that on the white board. What does that have to do with math?

So, you believe the professors at Liberty and Regent universities are lefties?

Your point? This was in 1982, when the State University of New York was STARTING the computer science and data processing degree programs! That was, Christ I hate to say this but, 29 years ago!!!!!! Next year, my son is going to be a college Freshman, and doing research in the two programs he's looking at - Computer Science and Managerial Information Sciences - ALL his professors, associate professors, and teachers will have at least Masters degrees...and this is for a community college!

 

[JNaylor]

This thread- it has gone to the crazy.

But in KY, you can substitute with an associates and teach with a Ba.

Using life experience is really dangerous, it can lead to the "Experience over Evidence" logical fallacy. So it's actually looked down upon, especially in careers where logical snap judgments are necessary, like law enforcement. Plus, they have to pay people with more experience a higher salary, so the person fresh out of school is more likely to get hired. This has led to a high number of "agism" lawsuits, but the courts have so far decided that this particular form of "discrimination" makes sense. If your evidence is not empirically supported, then it can lead to very poor judgment. Teaching is treated similarly. I've already had job offers for when I get out of school. God, I hope I make it as a game designer.

I would agree with you on subjects like psychology, medicine, higher mathmatics, engineering and things like that. Then I think advanced degrees are necessary. But for technical classes 20 to 30 years experience is a plus. many of the colleges are behind the times in technology. It changes so fast that universities can't keep up. I recently took over a class that the previous professor had been teaching 50 year old technology because thats what he learned in college and he had never worked in the real world so thats all he knew. One class is 40 hours of instruction. In my field thats less than one week of one the job training.

 

[JNaylor]

So, you believe the professors at Liberty and Regent universities are lefties?

Your point? This was in 1982, when the State University of New York was STARTING the computer science and data processing degree programs! That was, Christ I hate to say this but, 29 years ago!!!!!! Next year, my son is going to be a college Freshman, and doing research in the two programs he's looking at - Computer Science and Managerial Information Sciences - ALL his professors, associate professors, and teachers will have at least Masters degrees...and this is for a community college!

I don't know anything about Liberty or Regent. I know most of the old guard professors that attended college in the 60's and 70's are lefties. I have no problem with them being lefties, I disagree with them but its their right to be whatever they want, I just think they spend too much time spewing thier polotics in class and less time teaching the subject matter.

The college I teach at is made up primarily of masters degrees and PHD's except for thier technical department which is mostly folks like myself or maybe a 4 year degree.

 

[RjThoughts]

I would agree with you on subjects like psychology, medicine, higher mathmatics, engineering and things like that. Then I think advanced degrees are necessary. But for technical classes 20 to 30 years experience is a plus. many of the colleges are behind the times in technology. It changes so fast that universities can't keep up. I recently took over a class that the previous professor had been teaching 50 year old technology because thats what he learned in college and he had never worked in the real world so thats all he knew. One class is 40 hours of instruction. In my field thats less than one week of one the job training.

Okay, I'm going parental on this.


The reason the U.S. is behind in Math and the Sciences is simple: Kids are NOT taught to think for themselves! They're on a narrow-minded, have to pass this test, No Child Left Behind bullshit BOTH parties signed off on!! I was raised to question an answer, ask if there wasn't another solution. Not the kids these days..gotta pass the standardize test so we don't lose funding.

Okay, off the soap box...back on topic.

I do NOT care what DaVinci's sexuality was, but I'd damned sure want my son to know what he did, and not just what's in "The DaVinci Code." I don't care if Oscar Wilde or Walt Whitman liked men and weren't gaga over breasts like me. Sexual preferences should NEVER factor on whether or not a person is taught in public schools. What I do object to is that they aren't BECAUSE of whether or not they are str8! And that's what this entire thread is based upon.

Should a person's sexuality be the determination of whether or not they are taught in PUBLIC schools.

 

[CandiCame]

I would agree with you on subjects like psychology, medicine, higher mathmatics, engineering and things like that. Then I think advanced degrees are necessary. But for technical classes 20 to 30 years experience is a plus. many of the colleges are behind the times in technology. It changes so fast that universities can't keep up. I recently took over a class that the previous professor had been teaching 50 year old technology because thats what he learned in college and he had never worked in the real world so thats all he knew. One class is 40 hours of instruction. In my field thats less than one week of one the job training.

I was kinda talking about my field and trying not to make you feel bad... but my degree is in technology- in video game design... and they would much rather higher the younger professor with the degree then the older professor with the experience. It might not be right, but it's true. And they're legally backed up on it... like I said, the "agism" lawsuits haven't made much of a movement. Where ever you are, we've established that it isn't Kentucky, Ohio, or New York, so I would consider you very lucky to have found a job, especially in this economy, because here, in the field of technology- having "experience" usually means (to employers) that high-rez bit compositing or working in quark or anything, blows your mind. Programmers want the youngest workers they can find- they know that they can work us to death, we're up to date, we just got out of school, and we don't know shit about shit so they can treat us however they want. Teaching is the same way- your pay goes up after you get your masters and you're required to get it within 3 years or you lose your teaching certification. You can't teach at ANY university in Ky without a 4-year degree, but you can become an Associate Professor who works under a normal professor, usually part time. I think it's probably similar to what you're doing.

Kinda confused as to what this has to do with the kids learning about the homo-gay. Think we've gotten derailed somewhere along the lines. BUT I wanna say, again, that DaVinchi getting arrested for sodomy is a big part of who he is, as is his relationship with DeMedichi, and needs to be taught. Luckily, right now it is. Also, everyone plays Assassins Creed, and I just want to say that I fucked up the gay-ass hug with DaVinchi, and I want to know if you get anything if you don't fuck it up. I hate those damn hitting buttons during cutscene things.

 

[RjThoughts]

I don't know anything about Liberty or Regent. I know most of the old guard professors that attended college in the 60's and 70's are lefties. I have no problem with them being lefties, I disagree with them but its their right to be whatever they want, I just think they spend too much time spewing thier polotics in class and less time teaching the subject matter.

The college I teach at is made up primarily of masters degrees and PHD's except for thier technical department which is mostly folks like myself or maybe a 4 year degree.

Liberty University was founded by Jerry Fallwell
Regent is Pat Robertson's college.

Add to it Notre Dame, BYU, Oral Roberts, and all the Saint Somebody colleges and Universities...ALL the professors are lefties?


NOT ONE OF MY PROFESSORS, when I was a teenager, made it clear what their political affiliation was. I never heard of any others that did. You're assuming that, because they attended school in the 60s and 70s, they're lefties! The ONLY political discussions I EVER had in college, in the classroom, was in American History, and I made strong objections to EVERY mension of a Native Amerian war victory as a massacre, and to the Battle of Little Bighorn was Custer's Last Stand - he was an idiot, no more, no less.

 

[CandiCame]

Okay, I'm going parental on this.


The reason the U.S. is behind in Math and the Sciences is simple: Kids are NOT taught to think for themselves! They're on a narrow-minded, have to pass this test, No Child Left Behind bullshit BOTH parties signed off on!! I was raised to question an answer, ask if there wasn't another solution. Not the kids these days..gotta pass the standardize test so we don't lose funding.

Okay, off the soap box...back on topic.

I do NOT care what DaVinci's sexuality was, but I'd damned sure want my son to know what he did, and not just what's in "The DaVinci Code." I don't care if Oscar Wilde or Walt Whitman liked men and weren't gaga over breasts like me. Sexual preferences should NEVER factor on whether or not a person is taught in public schools. What I do object to is that they aren't BECAUSE of whether or not they are str8! And that's what this entire thread is based upon.

Should a person's sexuality be the determination of whether or not they are taught in PUBLIC schools.

By DaVinchi code, I'm assuming you mean the book? Art teachers hate that book because of 1: The bullshit it's full of, 2: The fact that a code-cracking genius couldn't figure out that her gramps used her name as a code and 3:It shows us that kids really don't understand that a book in the "fiction" part of the library isn't real. Makes us sad.

 

[RjThoughts]

By DaVinchi code, I'm assuming you mean the book? Art teachers hate that book because of 1: The bullshit it's full of, 2: The fact that a code-cracking genius couldn't figure out that her gramps used her name as a code and 3:It shows us that kids really don't understand that a book in the "fiction" part of the library isn't real. Makes us sad.

My son attends a private, day, Catholic prep school. If they haven't outlawed the teachings of DaVinci, Whitman, et al, why should the state of CA?

 

[CandiCame]

My son attends a private, day, Catholic prep school. If they haven't outlawed the teachings of DaVinci, Whitman, et al, why should the state of CA?

Is it like a Montisourri deal, because I've looked into those and they pay far better then public schools and you actually need less certification. It seems like a good way to go. Does he like it there?

 

[JNaylor]

Okay, I'm going parental on this.


The reason the U.S. is behind in Math and the Sciences is simple: Kids are NOT taught to think for themselves! They're on a narrow-minded, have to pass this test, No Child Left Behind bullshit BOTH parties signed off on!! I was raised to question an answer, ask if there wasn't another solution. Not the kids these days..gotta pass the standardize test so we don't lose funding.

Okay, off the soap box...back on topic.

I do NOT care what DaVinci's sexuality was, but I'd damned sure want my son to know what he did, and not just what's in "The DaVinci Code." I don't care if Oscar Wilde or Walt Whitman liked men and weren't gaga over breasts like me. Sexual preferences should NEVER factor on whether or not a person is taught in public schools. What I do object to is that they aren't BECAUSE of whether or not they are str8! And that's what this entire thread is based upon.

Should a person's sexuality be the determination of whether or not they are taught in PUBLIC schools.

I couldn't agree more with everything you just said..we have gotten a bit off topic havent we.

 

[RjThoughts]

Is it like a Montisourri deal, because I've looked into those and they pay far better then public schools and you actually need less certification. It seems like a good way to go. Does he like it there?

He's thrived! We were told that, if he was in a public school, he would have been "diagnosed" with ADD/ADHD. Why? Because he didn't pay attention to some teachers, only because he KNEW the subject and was BORED! In public school, he would have been sent to get pills. In Catholic school, they just gave him MORE to do

 

[JNaylor]

I was kinda talking about my field and trying not to make you feel bad... but my degree is in technology- in video game design... and they would much rather higher the younger professor with the degree then the older professor with the experience. It might not be right, but it's true. And they're legally backed up on it... like I said, the "agism" lawsuits haven't made much of a movement. Where ever you are, we've established that it isn't Kentucky, Ohio, or New York, so I would consider you very lucky to have found a job, especially in this economy, because here, in the field of technology- having "experience" usually means (to employers) that high-rez bit compositing or working in quark or anything, blows your mind. Programmers want the youngest workers they can find- they know that they can work us to death, we're up to date, we just got out of school, and we don't know shit about shit so they can treat us however they want. Teaching is the same way- your pay goes up after you get your masters and you're required to get it within 3 years or you lose your teaching certification. You can't teach at ANY university in Ky without a 4-year degree, but you can become an Associate Professor who works under a normal professor, usually part time. I think it's probably similar to what you're doing.

Kinda confused as to what this has to do with the kids learning about the homo-gay. Think we've gotten derailed somewhere along the lines. BUT I wanna say, again, that DaVinchi getting arrested for sodomy is a big part of who he is, as is his relationship with DeMedichi, and needs to be taught. Luckily, right now it is. Also, everyone plays Assassins Creed, and I just want to say that I fucked up the gay-ass hug with DaVinchi, and I want to know if you get anything if you don't fuck it up. I hate those damn hitting buttons during cutscene things.

The type

 

[Safe_Bet]

Liberty University was founded by Jerry Fallwell
Regent is Pat Robertson's college.

Add to it Notre Dame, BYU, Oral Roberts, and all the Saint Somebody colleges and Universities...ALL the professors are lefties?


NOT ONE OF MY PROFESSORS, when I was a teenager, made it clear what their political affiliation was. I never heard of any others that did. You're assuming that, because they attended school in the 60s and 70s, they're lefties! The ONLY political discussions I EVER had in college, in the classroom, was in American History, and I made strong objections to EVERY mension of a Native Amerian war victory as a massacre, and to the Battle of Little Bighorn was Custer's Last Stand - he was an idiot, no more, no less.

Yeah, how 'bout all them leftist 60's and 70's radical pinkos!

You know, like Jerry Rubin... Wasn't he a welltodo business man or stock broker when he died? And let's not forget Thad big 'ol dyke Angela Davis who is brainwashing kids at hot beds of communism like Stanford and Brown Universities by lecturing on the leftist skill of Critical Thinking **gasp**