Tonight, Pennsylvania will tell us everything re: Republicans & Trump

[Dribble]

The fact that a district with 70,000 more Democrats than Republicans votes historically Republican showcases a problem with the Democrats not being able to motivate their own base.

Why do YOU think that is?

I know why. Because the Democrats keep pandering and playing to the middle, and how do the Independents vote? They went Trump last time because the other candidate played to the middle.

You are really not very educated. Why did the Democrats lose the Senate? Why did they lose the House? They lost it because they went to far left and lost the middle vote. They lost the Independents. This is well known fact that has been discussed for 6 years.

I don't know where you keep coming up with the +70000....http://www.dos.pa.gov/VotingElectio...r Registration/2016 Annual Report 7-14-17.pdf I realize this is not broken down into Congressional Districts, but it is broken down by Counties. Go to the Appendix. It shows the number of registered voters and their affliation

 

[richard_daily]

You are really not very educated. Why did the Democrats lose the Senate? Why did they lose the House? They lost it because they went to far left and lost the middle vote. They lost the Independents. This is well known fact that has been discussed for 6 years.

I don't know where you keep coming up with the +70000....http://www.dos.pa.gov/VotingElectio...r Registration/2016 Annual Report 7-14-17.pdf I realize this is not broken down into Congressional Districts, but it is broken down by Counties. Go to the Appendix. It shows the number of registered voters and their affliation

Here you go:

Democrats outnumber Republicans in the district by some 70,000, but the largely blue-collar voters here have long backed GOP candidates.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/p...-lamb-rick-saccone-donald-trump-20180309.html

I know why the GOP does well there, but you are still scratching your head, trying to figure out the basic facts.

The Democrats lost the senate because they forgot their base, and pandered to special interest groups like the health care industry.

The ACA was unpopular because of the mandate, and because it put more money in the health care industries pocket. It's also very expensive.

I love how your argument is "you're not very educated", but then you fail to recognize that single payer is more popular than the ACA AMONG REPUBLICANS, along with real left-wingers. You also fail to recognize the basic facts of the Lamb race and how he didn't drum up more support where Democrats have an overwhelming majority in the district. The only people who like the ACA are middle of the road democrats, who support lobbyists, and tell people "you have to wait for change".

Your "well known facts" are conjecture and opinion that don't have basis in reality.

Obama tracked right during his presidency, not left. That's why the Democratic base started to lose interest.

The Huffington Post agrees with me.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/obamas-track-record-liberties_b_2119168.html

What's backing up your claim?

 

[Rightguide]

He backs Roe v. Wade, opposed Trump’s tax cuts, staunchly defends unions, and was against Obamacare repeal. As usual, you present opinion as fact, and hope others are as misinformed as you are.

He didn't run against Trump. He doesn't support gun control. He isn't a member of the resistance. He supports fracking. He's a liberal who knows he has to present a more conservative face to get elected but if elected will revert to the left or be shunned by the progressives that control the Democrat Party.

 

[Adre]

He didn't run against Trump. He doesn't support gun control. He isn't a member of the resistance. He supports fracking. He's a liberal who knows he has to present a more conservative face to get elected but if elected will revert to the left or be shunned by the progressives that control the Democrat Party.

The point is that Saccone ran with Trump, and Trump came twice and his coattails proved to be woefully short. Fifteen year seat flipped. Stay tuned. Plus this district (as well as several others) will lose its Republican gerrymandering forever.

 

[Dribble]

So....democrats...that vote republican for 15 years and tend to vote republican at the local level and state level as well...you sure they are Democrats? I would say they aren't.

I am living in one of these states right now. Are you? So who has a better take on the dynamics happening in the state? Me? Or you?

Obama had to move to the right...because who had control of the House and Senate? And he did what he needed to help the country the best he could. Seriously. You think you are smarter than you are. But don't take my word...just sit back and watch and learn.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Just like the Republicans on Lit....your manta is to point a finger sand say "You are the problem". My mantra is to ask "What can we do to make sure Democrats run our Country?"

FYPYW

Obama had to move to the right....

Oh bullshit....Obama was a centrist from the get go.

The USA just isn't as far left and as about that totalitarian Soviet Socialism as you are.

 

[pointless]

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[Dribble]

He didn't run against Trump. He doesn't support gun control. He isn't a member of the resistance. He supports fracking. He's a liberal who knows he has to present a more conservative face to get elected but if elected will revert to the left or be shunned by the progressives that control the Democrat Party.

No one with a brain would run against Trump...why lower your standards? Trump is a total disaster. Run on the issues that benefits your constituency.

I am a liberal. I support fracking. I also support punishing the frackers if they fuck up the water. Your problem is you think we all are like Pelosi. And we aren't.

 

[Dribble]

FYPYW

That's the best you can do?

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's the best you can do?

That's the truth.

You don't care about the country or it's people, you just care about your party and keeping it rich and powerful.

 

[HisArpy]

I just think it's hilarious that anyone thinks that Pa is "a landslide" or "a blue wave tsunami".

Last I heard the difference was .28% .28% is not a "win" it's a rounding error.

Lamb won in a traditionally Republican district. The question is; why? The answer lies in the physical differences between Lamb and Saccone and not their political stances. Saccone is older, fat, and looks like he's straight out of the 1960's. Lamb is young, vibrant, energetic, photogenic.

This wasn't a Tsunami. It was a beauty contest and Lamb won. Barely. The one thing this race showed is that the GOP needs to think about is the same thing the Dem's need to think about; namely getting better candidates on the ballot. The old skool is out of favor with the modern American voter.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I'm loving all the "Saccone was a flawed candidate! EVERYONE knew that!" excuses this morning.

 

[RobDownSouth]

That's the best you can do?

Moochie has been taking ascription lessons from Q-### as of late.

 

[Adre]

I'm loving all the "Saccone was a flawed candidate! EVERYONE knew that!" excuses this morning.

And there were flawed candidates in the 39 state seats flipped so far.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Moochie has been taking ascription lessons from Q-### as of late.

Oh look Rob the Liar and hypocrite with another driveby posting he can't back up with anything......cowardly shit.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Oh look Rob the Liar and hypocrite with another driveby posting he can't back up with anything......cowardly shit.

^^^^Moochie has been such a sensitive little boy of late.

 

[HisArpy]

I'm loving all the "Saccone was a flawed candidate! EVERYONE knew that!" excuses this morning.

Really? A "flawed candidate"? Where did anyone say that? I read the whole thread and I didn't see anyone saying that. Not even my post above said that.

Saccone ran and barely lost. Since the political stances are similar, my opinion is that Lamb is the more vibrant personality and that's who the voters chose. There's no "flawed candidate" in that statement. If you think there is, then you need to clean your rose colored glasses of dirt and dust.

 

[BotanyBoy]

^^^^Moochie has been such a sensitive little boy of late.

Rob's been fond of ascription and outright lies as of late.


Must be from getting his ass raked over the coals every time he tries to do something other than lie and drop racial slurs drive by style.

 

[Rightguide]

No one with a brain would run against Trump...why lower your standards? Trump is a total disaster. Run on the issues that benefits your constituency.

I am a liberal. I support fracking. I also support punishing the frackers if they fuck up the water. Your problem is you think we all are like Pelosi. And we aren't.

You're probably nuttier than she is.

 

[Rightguide]

The point is that Saccone ran with Trump, and Trump came twice and his coattails proved to be woefully short. Fifteen year seat flipped. Stay tuned. Plus this district (as well as several others) will lose its Republican gerrymandering forever.

It already has with the help of the court, not the electorate.

 

[Hypoxia]

You keep repeating "77,000 votes in three counties" but never go into any details.

I've posted this before: The Election Came Down to 77,744 Votes in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan -- Weekly Standard. I've yet to be convinced that rewarding losers benefits the nation.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I am a liberal.

Liberals are just to the left of libertarians, way out there in the hardcore freedom loving right wing.

Pro individual liberty, property and rights that the state can't fuck with and HIGHLY capitalistic.

What exactly about your anti-liberty left wing socialist bullshit = liberal to you??

 

[HisArpy]

I've posted this before: The Election Came Down to 77,744 Votes in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan -- Weekly Standard. I've yet to be convinced that rewarding losers benefits the nation.

So, Trump LOST the election? When?

You keep trying to say that the "popular vote" should have been the determining factor. Unfortunately for you and those who think like you that's not the way our system of governance and voting was set up. And it was done this way to specifically PREVENT what you want - to keep large demographic centers from controlling the surrounding areas. Feudal England was a model of what the founders were trying to prevent, Yet, there you go, throwing a "popular vote!" temper tantrum just so that you can start living the high life of being a serf for the lords of the castle.

What a dumb fucking idea. Take a civics class sometime and learn something about the REASONS we do things the way we do them.

 

[Hypoxia]

http://electionreturns.pa.gov at this very moment says:

LAMB, CONOR (DEM) 49.83% Votes: 113,906
SACCONE, RICHARD (REP) 49.56% Votes: 113,293
MILLER, DREW GRAY (LIB) 0.6% Votes: 1,380

613 votes difference between Lamb and Sacrificial Lamb er I mean Saccone who was killed by (Libertarian) Miller. And by Tromp.

 

[TalkRadio]

Conor Lamb on Pelosi: We need new leadership at the top of both parties in the House

The blue dog Democrat who has apparently won the special election in Pennsylvania’s 18th district is coming out of the fate calling for the sacking of the party’s House leader, Nancy Pelosi.

“I have said and I continue to say that I think we need new leadership at the top of both parties in the House,” Lamb said during an appearance on MSNBC Wednesday morning. “And so, I’d like to see someone besides Nancy Pelosi run and that’s who I would support, but I definitely would like to see different leader than Paul Ryan on the other side.”

https://news.grabien.com/story-conor-lamb-pelosi-we-need-new-leadership-top-both-parties-ho