USS McCain Collision At Sea

[BB4evah]

So Trump is totally responsible for the economy now, but Obama is still running the military? This shit gets confusing.

Whats confusing is why you screamed about racists burning the Colored building

When you knew it was a lie

 

[BB4evah]

And the reason why it's Obama's fault because because it takes longer to turn the military around and the economy is a function of psychology could be turned almost on the dime but we don't expect racists like you Nigger element to get it

 

[MGurkus]

^^^ in denial that the POTUS is a pos.

 

[MGurkus]

Come on prairee nigger boi, tell us how it is Clinton's fault?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Tells me that deck watches weren't on duty or they were asleep. they should have sounded the alarm no matter what was hacked.

Boom.....standards must be slipping.

 

[oggbashan]

If you look at past editions of Jane's Fighting Ships you will find many warships lost or seriously damaged by accident, not in battle.

Warships go where merchant vessels won't. Stealth technology makes warships less visible to commercial traffic. Radar is often switched off on warships to avoid detection by radar seeking missiles. It is pointless having stealth technology if your radar shouts "Here I am".

Large commercial vessels cannot change course or stop easily. Their turning circles are massive. The distance taken from receiving a potential collision warning to a full stop is several miles. Most larger vessels have to change the fuel being used before they can manouevre. That can take half an hour.

Who is to blame for a collision at sea? Warships should have a higher standard of watchfulness than commercial shipping and should keep clear of very large vessels because the turbulence caused can suck a smaller ship off course.

Only a full enquiry can settle the blame.

 

[BB4evah]

^^^ in denial that the POTUS is a pos.

Yup

DarkieKenyan was

 

[water505]

So Trump is totally responsible for the economy now, but Obama is still running the military? This shit gets confusing.

Things get confusing when you make shit up and pretend someone said it.

 

[Lancecastor]

Note how the tanker increased speed before the collision. Cool!


https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/636017930

 

[RobDownSouth]

Things get confusing when you make shit up and pretend someone said it.

"That's Too Bad."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

OJT is always better than classroom. Hands on, pencils down.

So you would board a jumbo jet with an 18 y-o getting some OJT?



Maybe one who eschewed landing lessons?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If you look at past editions of Jane's Fighting Ships you will find many warships lost or seriously damaged by accident, not in battle.

Warships go where merchant vessels won't. Stealth technology makes warships less visible to commercial traffic. Radar is often switched off on warships to avoid detection by radar seeking missiles. It is pointless having stealth technology if your radar shouts "Here I am".

Large commercial vessels cannot change course or stop easily. Their turning circles are massive. The distance taken from receiving a potential collision warning to a full stop is several miles. Most larger vessels have to change the fuel being used before they can manouevre. That can take half an hour.

Who is to blame for a collision at sea? Warships should have a higher standard of watchfulness than commercial shipping and should keep clear of very large vessels because the turbulence caused can suck a smaller ship off course.

Only a full enquiry can settle the blame.

Good post.

 

[jaF0]

You don't get a commercial pilot's license without many, many, many hours of OJT.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It went right over your head.



The topic addressed was naval officers being denied proper training. Learning to drive a city bus, thumbs up on OJT, driving a multi-million dollar vessel of war, not so much.

 

[Rightguide]

It went right over your head.



The topic addressed was naval officers being denied proper training. Learning to drive a city bus, thumbs up on OJT, driving a multi-million dollar vessel of war, not so much.

Denied proper, timely, training, maintenance, and spare parts inventories. Plus they're saddled with a mission requirement creating labor tempos for individuals rivaling those of WWII. It all goes back to Obama's sequester. Yes, I said it, Obama. This is why he had more SecDefs than any other President.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Thankfully, we're at least getting multi-gender heads!

 

[oggbashan]

Many decades ago for a few short hours I was nominally navigating a Royal Navy frigate through a busy shipping lane.

The word 'nominally' was important. I had worked out in advance, with the guidance of the ship's navigating officer, the appropriate course and the positions for changes of direction. Basically it meant keeping to one side of the buoyed channel, in water amply deep for the frigate but NOT in the deep water channel needed for larger vessels. My proposed course had been approved by the navigating officer and accepted by the captain. I was ordered NOT to deviate from that agreed course except by specific approval of the captain.

If I thought, for any reason, I might need to change course from the agreed route I had to inform the navigating officer who would call the captain to the bridge.

I stood on the bridge as the frigate proceeded through the shipping lane. At the helm was the ship's most experienced helmsman. My order to the helmsman was simple: "Follow the agreed course, please". His response "Aye, Aye, Sir."

The radar operator tracked the other shipping and the coastline. The lookouts reported all and any shipping in the vicinity.

I stood on the bridge and did what was expected of me:

Nothing.

I gave no other orders. I didn't have to. If I had even thought I would have to give an order, I would have informed the navigating officer who would have summoned the captain.

But I felt responsible for that ship and the hundred and more men on it. I took that responsibility seriously even while knowing that far more experienced people would react if I asked them.

That is how junior officers learn.

 

[FGB]

It all gives the impression our Navy would be easy to attack...Just catch our vessels in a non "Hot"area and simply run over them at a low speed.

Never see you coming.

Mr. Trump wake the fuck up and put a "Commander In Chief" foot up some assess!

WTF? Really?

They should be able to hear an Ass Chewing going on from your office to around the other side of the world!

Without communication devices!

 

[twister947]

Cell phones.....

 

[MGurkus]

I'm telling you, now that the gays are out of the navy, the real navy men are butt fucking each other just like their forefathers did.

 

[Tigersman]

My guess is the us navy has been bumping into shit forever.

The internet has made it possible to know, that's all.

During the Vietnam Conflict fishing boats would purposely cross the bow of our warships, giving us little or no time to take evasive action. I have no idea how many of these fishing boats got ran over.

 

[Tigersman]

The Navy needs to do some serious soul searching.

Ishmael

The Navy will not do any soul searching but will find a person or persons to lay the blame on. True Navy tradition as they did with the captain of the USS Indianapolis during WWII.

 

[Shagly]

During the Vietnam Conflict fishing boats would purposely cross the bow of our warships, giving us little or no time to take evasive action. I have no idea how many of these fishing boats got ran over.

How many lawsuits did the Navy get hit with?

 

[Shagly]

Many decades ago for a few short hours I was nominally navigating a Royal Navy frigate through a busy shipping lane.

The word 'nominally' was important. I had worked out in advance, with the guidance of the ship's navigating officer, the appropriate course and the positions for changes of direction. Basically it meant keeping to one side of the buoyed channel, in water amply deep for the frigate but NOT in the deep water channel needed for larger vessels. My proposed course had been approved by the navigating officer and accepted by the captain. I was ordered NOT to deviate from that agreed course except by specific approval of the captain.

If I thought, for any reason, I might need to change course from the agreed route I had to inform the navigating officer who would call the captain to the bridge.

I stood on the bridge as the frigate proceeded through the shipping lane. At the helm was the ship's most experienced helmsman. My order to the helmsman was simple: "Follow the agreed course, please". His response "Aye, Aye, Sir."

The radar operator tracked the other shipping and the coastline. The lookouts reported all and any shipping in the vicinity.

I stood on the bridge and did what was expected of me:

Nothing.

I gave no other orders. I didn't have to. If I had even thought I would have to give an order, I would have informed the navigating officer who would have summoned the captain.

But I felt responsible for that ship and the hundred and more men on it. I took that responsibility seriously even while knowing that far more experienced people would react if I asked them.

That is how junior officers learn.

That sounds like the Titanic.

 

[water505]

Now that Obama isn't using around to misuse the military for social change maybe they can return to what they do best - killing people and blowing things up.