My Andy Thread

[Senna Jawa]

association

=========

day & night
angel angel angel dust
virgin white
now my brain is so robust
dust to dust

pink bus go
bust that bust & butt
but you must know
about dust to dust
​

no no no
but you must know

​

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[bogusbrig]

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Here y'all go, Cub4ucme had 4 pieces posted in October and was warmly directed in comments on his premier piece, Befriending the Wolf to join in the PFD. Seems he has done so with some gusto.


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Entertaining stuff, well worth the read.

Makes you wonder why he is overly sensitive.

 

[bogusbrig]

Oh, they are? Then Andy is an angel after all.

I wouldn't go that far. His work is enjoyable and leaves me feeling he has more up his sleeve but who knows, he seems to prefer casting himself as the angst ridden genius.

 

[Cub4ucme]

I don't watch soap operas but I'm beginning to understand why they are so popular. Every soap apparently has a villain and Andy appears to be filling that part. Villains are always talented but never talented enough or are thwarted by the system and so they feel agrieved and wronged, imagining lesser talents succeed at their expense. They spend the whole series apparently nursing their psychosis.

Put some poetry up Andy and forget the crap.

I'd recommend B.F. (space) Skin--- Her.

No----------------------------------- Seriously!


andy

 

[Cub4ucme]

=========

day & night
angel angel angel dust
virgin white
now my brain is so robust
dust to dust

pink bus go
bust that bust & butt
but you must know
about dust to dust
​

no no no
but you must know

​

============

Was that angel dust you were referring to in your third grade
poem?


best,
andy

 

[Senna Jawa]

I wouldn't go that far. His work is enjoyable and leaves me feeling he has more up his sleeve but who knows, he seems to prefer casting himself as the angst ridden genius.

Which piece by andy do you mean? (I always welcome good poems). "Befriending the Wolf" is adolescent and devoid of poetry. You guys are so funny. I understand that your voyeur instinct took over. But otherwise, ironically, andy is right that you guys want to be social so bad that you are ready to praise any junk, especially when welcoming a newcomer. You got what you have deserved for your misplaced friendliness and false compliments.

There are certain things for which there is no excuse. Andy can be, as he is, an ignorant, impolite, intellectually dishonest, impertinent youngster, and Literotica can be, as it is, a porno place, that's alright, but it does not mean that it's ok to offend women for being women, as andy does. Andy's cowardice is disgusting.

As a child I was with hooligans in the postwar Warsaw. In Florida, I had spent years with bums (my childhood experience was perhaps helpful, possibly crucial). Some of those bums spent years in prison. With one punch a guy would be on the ground, with a missing tooth. There were knives, guns, drugs... a friend, when his dealings went wrong, would come home beaten up so bad, that he was exhaling blood, but he wouldn't go to the hospital. And still, there was culture, nobody would offend anybody or else, there was responsibility. But here? A coward like andy can let his dirty, dishonest mouth run free, because he knows that nothing will happen. Andy has no class. (BTW, do not confuse bums with rednecks).

Regards,

Senna Jawa

 

[Cub4ucme]

Which piece by andy do you mean? (I always welcome good poems). "Befriending the Wolf" is adolescent and devoid of poetry. You guys are so funny. I understand that your voyeur instinct took over. But otherwise, ironically, andy is right that you guys want to be social so bad that you are ready to praise any junk, especially when welcoming a newcomer. You got what you have deserved for your misplaced friendliness and false compliments.

There are certain things for which there is no excuse. Andy can be, as he is, an ignorant, impolite, intellectually dishonest, impertinent youngster, and Literotica can be, as it is, a porno place, that's alright, but it does not mean that it's ok to offend women for being women, as andy does. Andy's cowardice is disgusting.

As a child I was with hooligans in the postwar Warsaw. In Florida, I had spent years with bums (my childhood experience was perhaps helpful, possibly crucial). Some of those bums spent years in prison. With one punch a guy would be on the ground, with a missing tooth. There were knives, guns, drugs... a friend, when his dealings went wrong, would come home beaten up so bad, that he was exhaling blood, but he wouldn't go to the hospital. And still, there was culture, nobody would offend anybody or else, there was responsibility. But here? A coward like andy can let his dirty, dishonest mouth run free, because he knows that nothing will happen. Andy has no class. (BTW, do not confuse bums with rednecks).

Regards,

Senna Jawa

You can continue to play this game.

It won't get you anywhere.

I'm already too far ahead of you.

You can't write poetry because you can't get yourself
out of the way.

You aren't an artist.

You remind me of the shmuck that ran a poetry class
I went to a few years ago. He was so caught up in
himself he wouldn't have known poetry if it smacked
him in the face and he couldn't write one poem
worthy of a second glance.

I can guess why you prefer Haiku.

It's because you can't write a poem that would
hold peoples attention beyond three lines.

I don't mind you now. I know who you are
and I find your posts entertaining.

Wait until I give you some of my shorter
(stick up my ass) poetry.

Then you'll have to work that much harder
and as a result you will dig a deeper hole.

I look forward to that in a Freudien type of way.

best,
andy

 

[Cub4ucme]

Which piece by andy do you mean? (I always welcome good poems). "Befriending the Wolf" is adolescent and devoid of poetry. You guys are so funny. I understand that your voyeur instinct took over. But otherwise, ironically, andy is right that you guys want to be social so bad that you are ready to praise any junk, especially when welcoming a newcomer. You got what you have deserved for your misplaced friendliness and false compliments.

There are certain things for which there is no excuse. Andy can be, as he is, an ignorant, impolite, intellectually dishonest, impertinent youngster, and Literotica can be, as it is, a porno place, that's alright, but it does not mean that it's ok to offend women for being women, as andy does. Andy's cowardice is disgusting.

As a child I was with hooligans in the postwar Warsaw. In Florida, I had spent years with bums (my childhood experience was perhaps helpful, possibly crucial). Some of those bums spent years in prison. With one punch a guy would be on the ground, with a missing tooth. There were knives, guns, drugs... a friend, when his dealings went wrong, would come home beaten up so bad, that he was exhaling blood, but he wouldn't go to the hospital. And still, there was culture, nobody would offend anybody or else, there was responsibility. But here? A coward like andy can let his dirty, dishonest mouth run free, because he knows that nothing will happen. Andy has no class. (BTW, do not confuse bums with rednecks).

Regards,

Senna Jawa

This is what Senna is good at these days:

I-I-I-I_ME_ME_ME and I and ME

Andy sucks, he hates women, no, I mean it, he's intellectually dishonet, a true
scum-bag. His poetry sucks, he's a coward, a loser, with a dirty mouth.
My poetry is better than Ezra Pounds. My haiku is all haiku
should be even though there is nothing enlightening about it.
Listen to me, because I am smarter and better than all of you.

Truly entertaining..............and the beat goes on.

I love to witness the progression of things.
Most real poets know where the road leads.

best,
andy

 

[Liar]

"Befriending the Wolf" is adolescent and devoid of poetry.

No, it's not. It's pretty fucking good.

It's because you can't write a poem that would
hold peoples attention beyond three lines.

Yes, he can and pretty fucking well too.

Am I wrong? Maybe by each of yours personal definition of good poetry. Which is all it is, however omniscient both of you claim to be. And which is irrelevant, when I read.

Guys, your polarizing grandstanding was fun for about ten seconds, but now it's just pathetic white noise. And it amounts to absolutely nothing.

"You are a bad poet and an asshole."
"No, YOU are a bad poet and an asshole."
"No, you are."
"No, you."
"You."
"You infinity."

I'm the bad poet and asshole around here. And proudly so. Quit trying to cramp my style.

Everybody, not just SJ and Cub; is someone or someones in this forum being juvenile and stupid? Grow the fuck up, let their ignorance speak for itself, and walk away from the pointless trenches.

(Or am I being juvenile and stupid right now? Be BETTER than me and step out of the sandbox.)


Fuck, I shouldn't post without coffee.



ps. Yep. I'm aware that I'm holier-than-thou grandstanding here too. Never claimed to practice what I preach. I'm an asshole, remember?

 

[Cub4ucme]

No, it's not. It's pretty fucking good.
Yes, he can and pretty fucking well too.

Am I wrong? Maybe by each of yours personal definition of good poetry. Which is all it is, however omniscient both of you claim to be. And which is irrelevant, when I read.

Guys, your polarizing grandstanding was fun for about ten seconds, but now it's just pathetic white noise. And it amounts to absolutely nothing.

"You are a bad poet and an asshole."
"No, YOU are a bad poet and an asshole."
"No, you are."
"No, you."
"You."
"You infinity."

I'm the bad poet and asshole around here. And proudly so. Quit trying to cramp my style.

Everybody, not just SJ and Cub; is someone or someones in this forum being juvenile and stupid? Grow the fuck up, let their ignorance speak for itself, and walk away from the pointless trenches.

(Or am I being juvenile and stupid right now? Be BETTER than me and step out of the sandbox.)


Fuck, I shouldn't post without coffee.



ps. Yep. I'm aware that I'm holier-than-thou grandstanding here too. Never claimed to practice what I preach. I'm an asshole, remember?

I don't call it grandstanding.

You have the right to express yourself as you have.

It won't stop me from expressing my opinion about Senna and his poetry though.

That may disappoint you and cause you not to like me much but, that doesn't concern me either.

I understand your point and I can't say from your seat I'd disagree.

That said, your opinion of valid poetry differs from mine. I have read
many of his poems, and I venture to say there isn't one that seemed
to take up more space than the space it took up.

That's what I look for in poetry. He has another opinion.

It is all subjective and that's fine. That's what makes the world go
around. Sometimes an opinion, although it doesn't seem nice, is at
least honest and not meant for dart throwing as a reader might
assume.

Is it better to say nothing?

Maybe, but, I haven't gotten there yet.

best,
andy

 

[Cub4ucme]

You can continue to play this game.

It won't get you anywhere.

I'm already too far ahead of you.

You can't write poetry because you can't get yourself
out of the way.

You aren't an artist.

You remind me of the shmuck that ran a poetry class
I went to a few years ago. He was so caught up in
himself he wouldn't have known poetry if it smacked
him in the face and he couldn't write one poem
worthy of a second glance.

I can guess why you prefer Haiku.

It's because you can't write a poem that would
hold peoples attention beyond three lines.

I don't mind you now. I know who you are
and I find your posts entertaining.

Wait until I give you some of my shorter
(stick up my ass) poetry.

Then you'll have to work that much harder
and as a result you will dig a deeper hole.

I look forward to that in a Freudien type of way.

best,
andy

This post is precisely what got me going with you.

All I did was inform you that I thought your two poems
were bad poems. I still believe that. It's my right to
express what I feel about poetry here.

I've commented favorably on poetry as well.
I don't make it my nature to buddy up to
people through bad poetry.

Ever since then you have decide to assinate my character.

Then the gravy train arrived.

All they saw was some new guy being rude.

Well fuck them all.

I know what happened here.

I know what is continuing to happen.

I also know where it's leading.

His comments about me and my life are so off based
and out of hand.

I'm not going to read what's above and sit here
and allow that to continue without response.

That's never going to happen.
Refer to the Polsh Immigrants story above.

Just for the record I grew up in a Slovak neighborhood
in northern New Jersey. Life was tough with six
siblings and not much money. I fought in the streets
too. These types of experiences are not exclusive
to Senna.

They also tend to make you a better poet later in life.
I'm not sure what happened in his case.

best,
andy

 

[Senna Jawa]

No, it's not. It's pretty fucking good.

Yes? Justify your opinion, please.

 

[TheRainMan]

"Befriending the Wolf" is adolescent and devoid of poetry.

i would imagine Liar might ask you to justify this first, before he defends the opposing opinion, since this statement was made first and his is merely a response to it.

 

[Liar]

Yes? Justify your opinion, please.

I very much enjoyed reading it. I was entertained, emotionally stimulated and left it with perspectives on life as well as writing that I didn't have, or had forgotten. The style, disposition and prosody was effective and in tune with the content, as I understood it. Thus, I liked it. Thus it's good.

What other justification are you looking for? Objective technical/intellectual dissection? Comparation with Basho, Bukowski and Benny Hill? Discourse analysis?

You could get it, but quite frankly, it would still be as subjective. Everything is.

And more to the point, I can't be arsed. I've got a thesis to knock off tis weekend.

 

[Liar]

It is all subjective and that's fine. That's what makes the world go
around. Sometimes an opinion, although it doesn't seem nice, is at
least honest and not meant for dart throwing as a reader might
assume.

Is it better to say nothing?

Absolutely not, but imnsho, we're way past that and into the poop hurling. Being right for the sake of the last word, and all that.

If subject A was the first to throw poop or he responded to subject B's poop throwing, is irrelevant. He throw poop.

If you were exchanging opinions, that woud be dandy. And maybe that what it is, and I just can't see it anymore. It walks and quacks like the duck of Ad Hominem and the turkey of vitriol crossfire, and that's all I can see.

Maybe I'm over reacting, I dunno.

In the words of Dante Hicks: I'm not even supposed to be here today.

And with that, I'm out. Later, poets

 

[normal jean]

well, all t his about "put me on ignore" put me on ignore. I put his hateful ass on ignore last week!!

wondering why someone would feel so insecure and have the need to spew hatefulness is way beyond me, I know, we all have our moments, but CU has been a hatefull ass jerk since day one. ( just MY opinion)

Tz, I know youre a poet, in fact I enjoy your work tremendously, you have nothing to prove, just seems like "andy" singled you out, or singled out anyone who has a voice in here.

I have cllicked on 'andy's" links, read some of his stuff and was very underwhelmed. Perhaps if he put all that emotion into something "like" Poetry, he wouldnt be so frustrated?


regards

NJ

 

[Cub4ucme]

I have cllicked on 'andy's" links, read some of his stuff and was very underwhelmed. Perhaps if he put all that emotion into something "like" Poetry, he wouldnt be so frustrated?


regards

NJ

This from the author of this:


Roadside grassy, damp with dew
bunny laid flat, pointing northward
seems to beg the question,

M. Bunny,

How is your reception?

I would just like to say that it's fine to knock my poetry.
It's fine with me if you think it's trash. However, for those
of you that believe it will bother me when you beat it
over the head so desperately, tyring to associate it with
my percieved personality. Let's just say you are wasting
your valuable time.


I read all of you that comment on my poetry. I like to know
before I take you seriously if you are someone who's voice
would even matter to me. In the case of this post:
Not even close.

Just something I wanted to point out. Feel free to
throw darts all day long at my poetry. I've already
accomplished enough with it to know that it has
some measure of validity.

I'd prefer critical comments
that specifically detail what you think is bad about it.
Like Senna has done. At least he took the time
to elaborate, although I didn't take anything away
from his critique, I can't say in the future I wouldn't.


Throw the darts, but know they won't stick unless
you have somthing critical to say. If I find that
I respect your voice because you have some
background and basis for establishing your points
I'd clap my hands and thank you for giving me
the opportunity for growth.

best,
andy

 

[normal jean]

regarding rednecks

Which piece by andy do you mean? (I always welcome good poems). "Befriending the Wolf" is adolescent and devoid of poetry. You guys are so funny. I understand that your voyeur instinct took over. But otherwise, ironically, andy is right that you guys want to be social so bad that you are ready to praise any junk, especially when welcoming a newcomer. You got what you have deserved for your misplaced friendliness and false compliments.

There are certain things for which there is no excuse. Andy can be, as he is, an ignorant, impolite, intellectually dishonest, impertinent youngster, and Literotica can be, as it is, a porno place, that's alright, but it does not mean that it's ok to offend women for being women, as andy does. Andy's cowardice is disgusting.

As a child I was with hooligans in the postwar Warsaw. In Florida, I had spent years with bums (my childhood experience was perhaps helpful, possibly crucial). Some of those bums spent years in prison. With one punch a guy would be on the ground, with a missing tooth. There were knives, guns, drugs... a friend, when his dealings went wrong, would come home beaten up so bad, that he was exhaling blood, but he wouldn't go to the hospital. And still, there was culture, nobody would offend anybody or else, there was responsibility. But here? A coward like andy can let his dirty, dishonest mouth run free, because he knows that nothing will happen. Andy has no class. (BTW, do not confuse bums with rednecks).

Regards,

Senna Jawa

Senna, IM a southern gal, and well, prone to being barefoot at innapropriate times and such, however I dont drink beer, I do not smoke, dont get welfare or foodstamps, dont drive a pick up, aint got no dog and detest country music...

My daughters have decided though that I am about 27% redneck...I hate that thought, so I ask you, do you think I am a redneck?

I value your honesty, so let me have it



NJ

 

[Angeline]

No, it's not. It's pretty fucking good.
Yes, he can and pretty fucking well too.

Am I wrong? Maybe by each of yours personal definition of good poetry. Which is all it is, however omniscient both of you claim to be. And which is irrelevant, when I read.

Guys, your polarizing grandstanding was fun for about ten seconds, but now it's just pathetic white noise. And it amounts to absolutely nothing.

"You are a bad poet and an asshole."
"No, YOU are a bad poet and an asshole."
"No, you are."
"No, you."
"You."
"You infinity."

I'm the bad poet and asshole around here. And proudly so. Quit trying to cramp my style.

Everybody, not just SJ and Cub; is someone or someones in this forum being juvenile and stupid? Grow the fuck up, let their ignorance speak for itself, and walk away from the pointless trenches.

(Or am I being juvenile and stupid right now? Be BETTER than me and step out of the sandbox.)


Fuck, I shouldn't post without coffee.



ps. Yep. I'm aware that I'm holier-than-thou grandstanding here too. Never claimed to practice what I preach. I'm an asshole, remember?

You're right. I'm embarrassed that I was so nasty to him and allowed myself to be sucked into the shit flinging. I like to stay positive and it's not like me to get so invested in polemics. I'm out of the fights from here on in.

I don't think you're an asshole, Liarman. I think you're a pretty smart guy. Good luck with the thesis.

 

[Liar]

I don't think you're an asshole, Liarman. I think you're a pretty smart guy. Good luck with the thesis.

Thx. I'm procrastinating my ass off right now.

 

[Cub4ucme]

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Just a reminder.

This thread does have my name on the tag.

I'd apreciate it if you keep the subject matter
topic related.

best,
andy






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[bogusbrig]

This from the author of this:



I read all of you that comment on my poetry. I like to know
before I take you seriously if you are someone who's voice
would even matter to me. In the case of this post:
Not even close.

Well let's have your thoughts on your critics.

Just to get this thread back on topic, you!

 

[My Erotic Trail]

off topic a tad

I was just wondering where is MET when we finally need him?

or perhaps... nah!


DA : )

It is no surprise, your 'generally' wrong when it comes to me but... am I always on your mind <grin (~_~)

It's hard to believe, but I was thinking the same thing.

snail? I thought you left?

where is MET when we finally need him?



DA : )

right here! (~_~) @ Zen Mountain

 

[Cub4ucme]

Well let's have your thoughts on your critics.

Just to get this thread back on topic, you!

I really wasn't serious about the topic.

I didn't start the thread but, I can answer your question.

I don't think a person has to be all that well versed in
poetry to point out something that a poet might have missed
in a particular poem. Maybe a bad line break or, a line
where they stumbled. I take all of those singular points
into consideration no matter who leaves the comment.

On the other hand, the basic comments that express an overall
opinion of the poem, such as; "I think it sucks" or, "I think it's great"
don't really help or hurt. They do nothing for the poet.

I didn't mind Senna's comments because he elaborated for a bit.
I don't concern myself with his opinion but, down the road who
knows something he points out in my poetry might help me
to improve it.

My point in an earlier post was, there is no reason to take someone
seriously who informs me that they think my poetry sucks when I
take a look at what they have written themselves, and find that
their work falls dead upon a page.

You may think that's subjective but, at some level it isn't. I read
poetry that I don't like but, I know it's valid work. In that case
I would surely take a second look at any critique written by the same
author.

It's just a matter of deciding if a critique is written within the frames
of good intentions (even if it is a negative critique) or, whether the
person is throwing darts at a percieved personality that confilicts
with their own at the present time.

1. Is the critique valid from the standpoint of good intentions?
2. Is the author of the critique qualified to break down the poem?

If I can answer yes to both of the above questions. Well, then I'm
gratefull someone took time out of their day to live in my poem
for a long enough time to attempt to point something out to me.

At that point I owe that person the time to at least consider their
opinion. I would then take a look at the comments and the poem
and make a personal decision (void of emotion) to change it or leave
it alone.


I'm sorry this was long but, there was no quick way to answer your
question without elaborating.

best,
andy

 

[Cub4ucme]

Toy Soldiers

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Toy Soldiers




Fresh,
a slip of tongue
an adolescent impulse.
Later he will learn not
to say what he means,
when he dims to mellow.




Tough,
he'll learn to be
a remnant of himself.
He'll carve days of dollars
they'll rise and fall,
sink or swim.




Later,
he will gaze
at the slip curl of
a summer moon
thinking of lead
army men, and G.I. Joe.




June,
such a lovely month
for a man to be born,
again, and again,
dying in-between
each blink of sun.




Stranger,
what kind are you
Gray or blue?
I'd really like to know
if you ever won
at Strateego.




Before,
we begin our dance
of words and impressions,
here beside the middle-age
of life, still taking sides
and building walls.




Tomorrow,
you may find me
beside a hemlock
picking small cones
for a Marigold potpourri
no less, or more a man.





Until,
that day arrives
we guard ourselves
enough to be at ease
to give each other
what we plan.




Free,
Is a large word
it comes in moments
when the soul is loud,
then quietly slips away
hanging just beyond
our reach.




Me,
I chose the ones
in the prone position
blue, they fought at rest
hidden in the black grass
bullets whizzing by.



ajs






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