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11.19.24

I recently saw a very good movie (Heretic 8.7/10) and it had me thinking about villians.

Has there ever been a villian (let's stick with fictional ones please) who made you kiiiiinda see their point? Maybe you wouldn't go about it like they did (hides her axe under the bed) but hey you can see why they might want to rampage a small village?
 
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11.19.24

I recently saw a very good movie (Heretic 8.7/10) and it had me thinking about villians.

Has there ever been a villian (let's stick with fictional ones please) who made you kiiiiinda see there point? Maybe you wouldn't go about it like they did (hides her axe under the bed) but hey you can see why they might want to rampage a small village?
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Ursula - first in line to the throne, only to be over ruled by the patriarchy and have to watch her buff baby brother rule the sea?

Then to use her entrepreneurial spirit and become a legit business owner only to have a customer try to get out of a legally binding contract?

Poor Unfortunate Ursula 😢

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Poor Pearl just had big dreams, a shitty family, and delusions of grandeur. Sure an ax wasn't the best answer but the sentiment, I think, is a good one.

More dreaming, less creeping Pearl. 😉
 
11.19.24

I recently saw a very good movie (Heretic 8.7/10) and it had me thinking about villians.

Has there ever been a villian (let's stick with fictional ones please) who made you kiiiiinda see their point? Maybe you wouldn't go about it like they did (hides her axe under the bed) but hey you can see why they might want to rampage a small village?
Oh, there have been lots!

King Kong
The Frankenstein Monster
Creature from the Black Lagoon
The Wolf Man
Jason Voorhees (sort of)

They are all innocents who were put in a bad situation.

But I think you are asking about a villain who is making choices.

In that case, Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men? His “you can’t handle the truth” speech makes some very valid points.

Harrison Ford in Ender’s Game. His speeches and reasons were pretty valid.

There is a lot to be said for the guy who knows what he is doing may not be seen as good, but also knows it has to be done so other people can be good. 🤷‍♂️

I like a complicated villain. 👍
 
11.19.24

I recently saw a very good movie (Heretic 8.7/10) and it had me thinking about villians.

Has there ever been a villian (let's stick with fictional ones please) who made you kiiiiinda see their point? Maybe you wouldn't go about it like they did (hides her axe under the bed) but hey you can see why they might want to rampage a small village?
I mean, Killmonger wasn’t wrong exactly.
 
11.19.24

I recently saw a very good movie (Heretic 8.7/10) and it had me thinking about villians.

Has there ever been a villian (let's stick with fictional ones please) who made you kiiiiinda see their point? Maybe you wouldn't go about it like they did (hides her axe under the bed) but hey you can see why they might want to rampage a small village?
Clyde Shelton ( Gerard Butler ) in the movie Law Abiding Citizen. The criminals raped and killed his wife and daughter, Clyde tried to get justice in the Court System and they made decisions to benefit their careers, denying him the Justice he deserved. The criminals got exactly what they deserved, but he went a little too far against the Justice System. I totally sympathize and get why he wanted revenge, on everything that wronged his wife and child.



 
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11.19.24

I recently saw a very good movie (Heretic 8.7/10) and it had me thinking about villians.

Has there ever been a villian (let's stick with fictional ones please) who made you kiiiiinda see their point? Maybe you wouldn't go about it like they did (hides her axe under the bed) but hey you can see why they might want to rampage a small village?
Walter Peck in Ghostbusters. I'm not sure charging in and shutting down the containment unit without knowing what it would do was a great idea. But having an untested containment unit like that in the middle of lower Manhattan was also probably not a great idea.

Also, I dream of a world where environmental protection advocacy has that kind of power.
 
Walter Peck in Ghostbusters. I'm not sure charging in and shutting down the containment unit without knowing what it would do was a great idea. But having an untested containment unit like that in the middle of lower Manhattan was also probably not a great idea.

Also, I dream of a world where environmental protection advocacy has that kind of power.
You've never been regulated by the EPA. Was once cited for not putting for R&D purposes only for shipping packages from on office to another office of a 30 person company. Clearly a hazard to the environment (the state regulators looked on agahst at the Fed jackass doing it).
 
You've never been regulated by the EPA.
Wrong.

Was once cited for not putting for R&D purposes only for shipping packages from on office to another office of a 30 person company. Clearly a hazard to the environment (the state regulators looked on agahst at the Fed jackass doing it).
Does every regulation make sense? Maybe not.
Have I worked in places that seriously needed more oversight? Absolutely. I won't pretend I wasn't a teeny bit thrilled when I found out a former boss couldn't sell his property because he'd spent years just dumping old ink and printing waste (it was a print shop) in the back lot instead of disposing of it properly. It kind of screwed up his retirement plans. But he was a dick who took every shortcut imaginable and nickel-and-dimed everyone (especially his staff). EPA oversight can be burdensome at times, sure. But in a lot of cases it's absolutely necessary. I think the Ghostbusters containment unit falls squarely into the absolutely necessary category.
 
Wrong.


Does every regulation make sense? Maybe not.
Have I worked in places that seriously needed more oversight? Absolutely. I won't pretend I wasn't a teeny bit thrilled when I found out a former boss couldn't sell his property because he'd spent years just dumping old ink and printing waste (it was a print shop) in the back lot instead of disposing of it properly. It kind of screwed up his retirement plans. But he was a dick who took every shortcut imaginable and nickel-and-dimed everyone (especially his staff). EPA oversight can be burdensome at times, sure. But in a lot of cases it's absolutely necessary. I think the Ghostbusters containment unit falls squarely into the absolutely necessary category.
EPA front line people are good folks who care about the environment. We had a guy who saw that our logs reported incidents. He was totally cool with that because we were clearly serious (empty log books were a red flag for him). The further up the food chain the more they are about power and less about the environment.

I will again say that it doesn't sound like you actually dealt with real EPA compliance (we were introducing a new substance that was of interest to EPA). The compliance paperwork is heinous.

And yes that guy sounds like an Ahole for whom enough bad stuff can't happen.
 
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EPA front line people are good folks who care about the environment. We had a guy who saw that our logs reported incidents. He was totally cool with that because we were clearly serious (empty log books were a red flag for him). The further up the food chain the more they are about power and less about the environment.

I will again say that it doesn't sound like you actually dealt with real EPA compliance (we were introducing a new substance that was of interest to EPA). The compliance paperwork is heinous.

And yes that guy sound like an Ahole for whom enough bad stuff can't happen.
I've dealt with EPA compliance in other areas. Like when our church opened a daycare and the soil tested a fraction of a percentage higher than the allowed level for arsenic. That was a huge hassle to deal with. I'm not disagreeing there. But if the Ghostbusters are operating a piece of equipment which, if the power goes out, would be "like dropping a bomb on the city," that's probably something that should be looked at. Especially as that particular piece of equipment is in a building that, as Egon puts it, "...should be condemned... the wiring is substandard... it's completely inadequate for our power needs..." etc. etc.
 
11.19.24

I recently saw a very good movie (Heretic 8.7/10) and it had me thinking about villians.

Has there ever been a villian (let's stick with fictional ones please) who made you kiiiiinda see their point? Maybe you wouldn't go about it like they did (hides her axe under the bed) but hey you can see why they might want to rampage a small village?
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Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. He is a proud man who has a love and care for his community. There is a Beast who is causing panic and chaos amongst the people. Some have even gone missing. Why wouldn’t he want to do his civil duty and lead a group of villagers to protect the quaint town that he loves. Besides, what if he had a chance to rescue a fair maiden at the same time?!?!

I’d have considered the same things he did!
 
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Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. He is a proud man who has a love and care for his community. There is a Beast who is causing panic and chaos amongst the people. Some have even gone missing. Why wouldn’t he want to do his civil duty and lead a group of villagers to protect the quaint town that he loves. Besides, what if he had a chance to rescue a fair maiden at the same time?!?!

I’d have considered the same things he did!
Oh dear. I could almost agree if it was for his actual personality. To be fair, the Beast wasn't all that great either. And they wonder why girls think we can "fix him". Lol
 
Oh dear. I could almost agree if it was for his actual personality. To be fair, the Beast wasn't all that great either. And they wonder why girls think we can "fix him". Lol
Guys thinking they can fix a woman is "white knighting" - what's it for women thinking they can fix men? White Queening? Emma Frost would be so disappointed if so!
 
11.19.24

I recently saw a very good movie (Heretic 8.7/10) and it had me thinking about villians.

Has there ever been a villian (let's stick with fictional ones please) who made you kiiiiinda see their point? Maybe you wouldn't go about it like they did (hides her axe under the bed) but hey you can see why they might want to rampage a small village?
Ironically, most of the villains who have been disfigured or in a state where the only way to heal or fix their condition was to lash out or commit other crimes to get the necessary materials.
I have always had body issues growing up.
Most of which was because of some scars that made me believe I needed to become a monster to take care of issues.
The thing that was the most damaging was when I developed Bell's Palsy back in the mid 2000's.
For those who don't want to google, This freezes part of your face.
At that point, I kind of felt like Two Face from Batman although the split personality was not part of it for me.
I still deal with the inability to smile symmetrically to this day and usually hide my crooked smile under a goatee.
My eyes also went back to having one wander a bit (think Mad Eye Moody from Harry Potter except the eye is still in it's original socket)
Still, I kinda get a kick out of surprising people with my intelligence and kindness even if I do feel less than stellar in the looks department. :)
 
I don't know if I fully was on board with him but the Hugh Laurie character in Tomorrow land has this line about having epidemics both in hunger and obesity and that always stuck with me as 'damn you're right'
 
11.23.24

Let's talk about a theory I recently read about toxic traits!

The theory posed that your toxic trait is the opposite of your love language. (I know everyone doesn't ascribe to the 5 Love Languages thing, and I agree, but we are going to work slightly within that framework for this discussion.) As an example -

LL=Acts of Service -then- TT=Not asking for help
LL=Quality Time -then- TT=Isolation
LL=Physical Touch -then- TT=Avoidance
LL=Words of Affirmation -then- TT=Going silent
LL=Being Understood or Seen -then- TT=Withholding information
LL=Gifts -then- TT=Overspending

My question - Does this ring true to you? If not, why not? If so, why? Would you care to share you love language and if it correlates to a toxic trait? Do you put up road blocks to make people prove their love for you? Or are you arms wide open?

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11.23.24

Let's talk about a theory I recently read about toxic traits!

The theory posed that your toxic trait is the opposite of your love language. (I know everyone doesn't ascribe to the 5 Love Languages thing, and I agree, but we are going to work slightly within that framework for this discussion.) As an example -


LL=Acts of Service -then- TT=Not asking for help
LL=Quality Time -then- TT=Isolation
LL=Physical Touch -then- TT=Avoidance
LL=Words of Affirmation -then- TT=Going silent
LL=Being Understood or Seen -then- TT=Withholding information
LL=Gifts -then- TT=Overspending

My question - Does this ring true to you? If not, why not? If so, why? Would you care to share you love language and if it correlates to a toxic trait? Do you put up road blocks to make people prove their love for you? Or are you arms wide open?

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I avoid/go silent when I'm angry with my partner. It's not a great trait but there we go.

In general I don't think I do any of those toxic trait things on the regular, though.

I don't know what you intend by where these come out, though. Is it how you negatively treat a partner regularly? Is it how you treat them when you're angry?

Edit: to answer your other questions, I very much like quality time and words of affirmation. And I don't think I make it hard to be affectionate towards me. At least, nobody's ever accused me of this.
 
I avoid/go silent when I'm angry with my partner. It's not a great trait but there we go.

In general I don't think I do any of those toxic trait things on the regular, though.

I don't know what you intend by where these come out, though. Is it how you negatively treat a partner regularly? Is it how you treat them when you're angry?
I think toxic traits can show themselves in many ways. Sure when you're angry but also when you're overwhelmed or just when you're not sheparding yourself towards the best choices. And while "love languages" are often associated with romantic love, I think these can apply to all kinds of relationships.

As an example, Words of Affirmation, Being Understood, and Quality Time are up there for me and when I'm at my worst, I absolutely have those same toxic traits towards partners, friends, hell... even my chatty co-worker.
 
I think there’s probably something too the idea that you withhold the things you think are important when you’re hurt or trying to hurt. Certainly words and time and touch are the things I value most and in my youth I could be pretty brutal with the cold shoulder and cutting words. You use the tools and weapons you understand sometimes,
 
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While negative and positive traits - toxic or love-languages, in PLP-context here - are found throughout the world, IMO they aren't guaranteed to be opposites. One's positive trait of open sharing could have multiple negative traits associated with it - belittling/denigration or avoidance as an example.

Another might have negative traits not associated with their positive traits - someone whose "love language" is all about physical contact, but who exhibits negative traits like gaslighting, or making and enforcing unwanted assumptions.

I agree that people tend to have fairly consistent positive and negative traits - @SalaciousMonkey22 's "tools and weapons you understand" - but there doesn't have to be correlation between the sides. There CAN be, but it's not a guarantee, IMO.
 
I’ll add that I think it’s far more destructive and hurtful when you grow toxic enough to recognize your partner’s love languages and without THAT. That’s like some end boss level shit.

Much better to just grow outta being toxic when you can.
 
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