Dissecting Literotica’s AI Policy

[EmilyMiller]

Maybe first one, then the other!

Could be

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I think @AwkwardlySet’s view is steeped in a misconception of the process.

It's not. It's just an opinion. For the record, I never said that the mere fact of using a beta reader or editor meant having a co-author. I said that changing your work in any significant way - the story or characters, based on other people's input, does mean that for me.
As I said, it's an opinion, one most don't want to engage with meaningfully, so yeah, let's leave it at that.

And beta reading is driven by humility.

I kinda doubt that in many cases.

We all have things to learn.

The day I decide I don't, I think I'll seriously consider suicide.

We are better as a village.

Stronger for sure. Not necessarily better or smarter. Otherwise, three idiots would be smarter than any smart person, due to having a higher combined IQ.
It's the same reason why I never consider that the number of people adhering to some belief is a factor for the truthfulness of said belief. In that sense, one person can be smarter and wiser than thousands. But the qualities of each individual adhering to a belief? That's an important factor for sure.

 

[EmilyMiller]

It's not. It's just an opinion. For the record, I never said that the mere fact of using a beta reader or editor meant having a co-author. I said that changing your work in any significant way - the story or characters, based on other people's input, does mean that for me.
As I said, it's an opinion, one most don't want to engage with meaningfully, so yeah, let's leave it at that.


I kinda doubt that in many cases.


The day I decide I don't, I think I'll seriously consider suicide.


Stronger for sure. Not necessarily better or smarter. Otherwise, three idiots would be smarter than any smart person, due to having a higher combined IQ.
It's the same reason why I never consider that the number of people adhering to some belief is a factor for the truthfulness of said belief. In that sense, one person can be smarter and wiser than thousands. But the qualities of each individual adhering to a belief? Yeah, for sure.

Yeah - we’ll just agree to differ. Here one side being you and the other the rest of humanity

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Yeah - we’ll just agree to differ. Here one side being you and the other the rest of humanity

You think they'll let me have my own island?

 

[dirk2024]

And beta reading is driven by humility. We all have things to learn. We are better as a village.

I kinda doubt that in many cases.

@AwkwardlySet Have you ever used a beta reader? It is an incredibly humbling experience. You're handing your creation - your baby - to someone, asking them to critique it to find if there is anything wrong with it. And if there are issues, they point them out. Turns out that your baby has scars. Now you have to decide whether you're going to fix them or not, and if so, how to do it in a way that truly heals the scar without creating new wounds.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

@AwkwardlySet Have you ever used a beta reader?

Nope. You already know my stance on beta readers. It's a principle, not something born out of experience.

Turns out that your baby has scars.

That can only be a surprise for those who think they write pure perfection. I really, really don't think I do.

Also, a beta reader can only voice an opinion about the story, which may or may not be true. It's just one reader giving you an opinion, albeit a reader whom you trust.

Now you have to decide whether you're going to fix them or not, and if so, how to do it in a way that truly heals the scar without creating new wounds.

This is all that truly matters. Keep in mind that the beta reader's opinion could mislead you as well. But anyway, if you choose to alter your story in any significant way, based on that beta reader's input, then he becomes a partial co-author in my view.

I understand that most of you don't see things that way, and that's fine. But again, the fact that there's more of you doesn't make it less likely that I'm right. I might end up on my own small island, but that argument won't make me any less right.

 

[EmilyMiller]

But again, the fact that there's more of you doesn't make it less likely that I'm right.

 

[crookedletter]

I understand that most of you don't see things that way, and that's fine. But again, the fact that there's more of you doesn't make it less likely that I'm right. I might end up on my own small island, but that argument won't make me any less right.

What I think you're missing here -- well, one of the things you're missing here -- is there isn't any right or wrong. Beta readers work for some people. They apparently don't fit with your process. You do it your way, I'll do it mine. It's a matter of seeing value in a technique, or not, and if you don't see a value in it there's no reason for you to utilize it.

What rankles is when you use terms like "crutch" or begin to question authorial ownership, what you're doing is dismissing the tools other people are using. You're slinging dirt on them. Suggesting they somehow corrupt the process. And that's not only bullshit, it's also insulting. Just so you're aware.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Nope. You already know my stance on beta readers. It's a principle, not something born out of experience.


That can only be a surprise for those who think they write pure perfection. I really, really don't think I do.

Also, a beta reader can only voice an opinion about the story, which may or may not be true. It's just one reader giving you an opinion, albeit a reader whom you trust.


This is all that truly matters. Keep in mind that the beta reader's opinion could mislead you as well. But anyway, if you choose to alter your story in any significant way, based on that beta reader's input, then he becomes a partial co-author in my view.

I understand that most of you don't see things that way, and that's fine. But again, the fact that there's more of you doesn't make it less likely that I'm right. I might end up on my own small island, but that argument won't make me any less right.

OK, I just can’t. I’m blaming my ASD…

So, in summary, there is this thing that you admit never having done, and which you demonstrably have misconceptions about. But you think that your single, inexperienced opinion on the topic outweighs the myriad people who do have knowledge of the topic and think otherwise. And this is because… scans back over the thread… of your principles.

I don’t really see that as a massively tenable position TBH. You’re becoming the RFK of beta reading.

 

[Writer61]

Your becoming the RFK of beta reading.

Had to laugh at that.

 

[crookedletter]

RFK of beta reading

 

[Writer61]

And incredibly hypocritical that they are obviously using software to monitor and detect

Not really. They are using a tool to police their rules, not to create works.