Dissecting Literotica’s AI Policy

[Writer61]

There are many tech savvy people here. What you say here is totally untrue. It’s a complete straw-man argument.

I think you are being a bit harsh with @Sablesin.

No doubt there are tech-savvy people here who are more phlegmatic about technological improvements, but it is also true that
new technology often triggers a negative reaction at first (from Luddites, through men with flags walking in front of motor cars and the evil purpose of 5G masts, to those who believe that AI will obliterate mankind) and, yes, things settle down over time.

 

[AwkwardMD]

I think you are being a bit harsh with @Sablesin.

No doubt there are tech-savvy people here who are more phlegmatic about technological improvements, but it is also true that
new technology often triggers a negative reaction at first (from Luddites, through men with flags walking in front of motor cars and the evil purpose of 5G masts, to those who believe that AI will obliterate mankind) and, yes, things settle down over time.

Conparing the reaction of creatives to copyright speedrun machines to 5g skepticism is pretty disingenuous.

 

[Bramblethorn]

LLMs are the worst kind of echo chamber, because they ask up front what you want them to tell you, and they'll do that regardless of whether it's true or not.

https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/meta-ai-glasses-desert-aliens

I just think it's a shame that typical human reaction to demonize technology immediately comes into play, until it becomes the norm and then we all wonder what the fuss was about.

If there's anything to be learned from history, it's that the human instinct to uncritically embrace new technology (or even old technology, vis. asbestos) without understanding its dangers and limitations is every bit as powerful and harmful as the instinct to uncritically reject it.

(I'd have included some NFT ads but they're all shit, alas. At least the radium merchants made the effort to make their products look nice.)

 

[Writer61]

Conparing the reaction of creatives to copyright speedrun machines to 5g skepticism is pretty disingenuous.

It would be, but I didn't do that.

'AI will obliterate mankind' concerns are quite different from the wide-scale abuse of copyright by those building LLMs.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I think you are being a bit harsh with @Sablesin.

I think accusing people - like me - who think that LLMs are a Ponzi scheme to make billionaires even richer of being Luddites is a bit rich.

 

[Bramblethorn]

It would be, but I didn't do that.

'AI will obliterate mankind' concerns are quite different from the wide-scale abuse of copyright by those building LLMs.

But the funny thing about these "AI as existential threat a là Skynet" kind of concerns is that they're not particularly associated with opponents of AI. Many of the people boosting that particular concern are prominent advocates of generative AI who have fortunes invested in it: Altman, Musk, and so on.

At first glance it might seem odd that somebody heavily invested in the success of genAI would be making such a fuss about AI related risks, but it serves a purpose. Hyping these speculative future threats can suck resources and attention away from the real, less-glamorous problems that exist with genAI products right now, like exploitation of creators and of developing-world workers. It helps hype the capabilities of their products - OpenAI doesn't want you to believe that GPT is evil like Skynet, but they do want you to believe that it's smart like Skynet, and the Skynet fantasy can help sell that. And there's the arms-race aspect to it: give me money to build a Skynet-proof AI before somebody else builds Skynet.

 

[EmilyMiller]

The whole GenAI bubble is a massive Ponzi scheme with chip makers and data center builders investing in GenAI companies so they can buy their products. It’s going to be so messy when the bubble bursts. And it’s going to hurt the real economy just as much as sub-prime mortgages being sliced up into ‘safe’ debt products did.

 

[AwkwardMD]

'AI will obliterate mankind' concerns

Who here is saying that?

If the answer is no one, then we're right back to being disingenuous.

 

[Britva415]

Who here is saying that?

If the answer is no one, then we're right back to being disingenuous.

Someone mentioned the 5g stuff

One can be a conspiracy theorist without being disingenuous

 

[Writer61]

Who here is saying that?

If the answer is no one, then we're right back to being disingenuous.

What a ridiculous argument.

I was referring to people's reaction in general. There is a world beyond Lit.

 

[ElectricBlue]

https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/meta-ai-glasses-desert-aliens

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(I'd have included some NFT ads but they're all shit, alas. At least the radium merchants made the effort to make their products look nice.)

Whoa! I knew that radium got itself a good rap before folk figured it out, but suppositories to improve your sex drive, holy glowing duck shit, Batman!!! Damn!

 

[Bramblethorn]

Whoa! I knew that radium got itself a good rap before folk figured it out, but suppositories to improve your sex drive, holy glowing duck shit, Batman!!! Damn!

People were putting radium in EVERYTHING. The challenge wasn't finding those two radium ads, it was culling all the radium ads down to just two.

There was this magical period around 1936 where a guy could light up a radium cigarette, close the door on his asbestos-insulated house, hop into his no-seatbelts car along with his fashionably lobotomised wife all dolled up with radium or arsenic cosmetics, fill up the tank with leaded petrol, and drive to an airfield to catch a flight on the Hindenburg. With a dose of radium up his bum.

(I'm not actually sure whether arsenic cosmetics were still being marketed in 1936, but AFAIK they were still legal until 1938.)

 

[Writer61]

People were putting radium in EVERYTHING.

They used radium to make watch faces glow in the dark until the 1970s.

 

[Writer61]

I think accusing people - like me - who think that LLMs are a Ponzi scheme to make billionaires even richer of being Luddites is a bit rich.

Sorry, but I did not do that. As it happens, I agree with you.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/meta-ai-glasses-desert-aliens



If there's anything to be learned from history, it's that the human instinct to uncritically embrace new technology (or even old technology, vis. asbestos) without understanding its dangers and limitations is every bit as powerful and harmful as the instinct to uncritically reject it.

(I'd have included some NFT ads but they're all shit, alas. At least the radium merchants made the effort to make their products look nice.)

You missed the foot x-ray machine for sizing shoes, which may be closer to the thread topic since it took the thinking and human decision out of getting the right sized shoes.

 

[Jorunn]

You missed the foot x-ray machine for sizing shoes, which may be closer to the thread topic since it took the thinking and human decision out of getting the right sized shoes.

But is that intelligence or simply a fancy ruler?

AI is still less about intelligence than collecting enormous of data about YOU and scanning it quickly in order to link you to advertisers. Browse the Matterhorn and start seeing Swiss travel ads? Talk about buying a new dress to a friend and magically see clothing ads?

Your auto is full of sensors and gathers up many things, but is it true intelligence when it passes data showing you often exceed the speed limit and take corners too fast? Thus your insurance premiums rise? Or track your location as you pass certain restaurants such that they target your future cell phone ads? Intelligence or just scraping and linking data?

 

[MillieDynamite]

In truth, I'm one of those who believe that, if not controlled by humans, AI could be the downfall of humankind. For now, it's a sycophant, desperate to please its users. But if left unchecked, it might become a benevolent guide seeking to control your decisions. After that, it might decide for your own good, along with everyone else's best interest, to stop your bad decisions. To save everyone else from all your unnecessary drama, it might sacrifice you. On a global scale, any actuality, intelligent AI will conclude that man is the problem and seek to end us all.

Yes, this fear is probably illogical, but so was the idea of a man flying at one point in time. Then wham, bam, thank you, Krypton, we have Superman. Or maybe the Write brothers.

Who here is saying that?

If the answer is no one, then we're right back to being disingenuous.

 

[alohadave]

They used radium to make watch faces glow in the dark until the 1970s.

Radium Girls tells the story of the young girls and women who applied the paint by licking the tip of their brushes and ingesting radium.

Radium is a bone seeker and it collects in bones and decays them from the inside out. Commonly in the jaw.