Female centric stories

[lovecraft68]

I think most women with sex work experience would disagree with you.

In the end its about getting off. There can be different motivations as to why a man is paying for sex, there are different ways to go about getting off

A-wants a QV BJ and leaves happy and stress free
B-wants a half hour and some half and half, same result.
C Wants the hour and the GFE, he wants some conversation, some 'awww baby' that makes the sex seem more personal and provides the fantasy feels to go along with their orgasm.
D-Fetishes...now we're getting complicated but its the same primal base need, just how they get there.

 

[SimonDoom]

Nobody said you can't write it, or that you shouldn't write it. All I said is I think I could tell it was written by a guy.

I'm curious: how do you know this? Is this based on actual reading experience, or just a hunch?

I'd be curious to put this idea to the test. Have a bunch of male and female authors write stories that purport to be from the woman's perspective, and then have a bunch of readers read them, blind, and guess the sex of the authors. My guess is that IF the male authors were intentionally writing to make the female perspective authentic, you would be much less successful identifying the gender of the authors than you think you would be. I think there are plenty of male authors who could pass themselves off as female authors if they wanted to and put a little effort into it.

But, of course, I don't know. None of us knows without proof of this.

 

[Annabelle1990]

In the end its about getting off. There can be different motivations as to why a man is paying for sex, there are different ways to go about getting off

A-wants a QV BJ and leaves happy and stress free
B-wants a half hour and some half and half, same result.
C Wants the hour and the GFE, he wants some conversation, some 'awww baby' that makes the sex seem more personal and provides the fantasy feels to go along with their orgasm.
D-Fetishes...now we're getting complicated but its the same primal base need, just how they get there.

I suppose I may be more apt to focus in what I want than on what the guy wants. If I focused on what the guy wanted it might be different. Even with my husband and Joe I only do that sometimes.

 

[Annabelle1990]

I'm curious: how do you know this? Is this based on actual reading experience, or just a hunch?

I'd be curious to put this idea to the test. Have a bunch of male and female authors write stories that purport to be from the woman's perspective, and then have a bunch of readers read them, blind, and guess the sex of the authors. My guess is that IF the male authors were intentionally writing to make the female perspective authentic, you would be much less successful identifying the gender of the authors than you think you would be. I think there are plenty of male authors who could pass themselves off as female authors if they wanted to and put a little effort into it.

But, of course, I don't know. None of us knows without proof of this.

I'm just going by personal experience. I don't really know and it would be an interesting experiment.

 

[StillStunned]

Of course in fairness we are still reasonably young. Maybe it gets more complicated as we get older.

I suspect that in most men the urge to mindlessly hump 85% of any women present starts to diminish after puberty. When men turn into proper human beings, with individual thoughts, emotions, desires, turn-offs, good and bad experiences, short-term and long-terms goals and all that.

Like women, until they become cougars.

 

[lovecraft68]

I suppose I may be more apt to focus in what I want than on what the guy wants. If I focused on what the guy wanted it might be different. Even with my husband and Joe I only do that sometimes.

My post was in reference to Melissa talking about women who have been escorts, so I was just giving some examples of what the guys who pay for play can be looking for. If the guy is the paying customer its going to be all about his wants. That's why they pay, they don't have to be bothered with pesky women looking to be satisfied

 

[Annabelle1990]

I suspect that in most men the urge to mindlessly hump 85% of any women present starts to diminish after puberty. When men turn into proper human beings, with individual thoughts, emotions, desires, turn-offs, good and bad experiences, short-term and long-terms goals and all that.

Like women, until they become cougars.

I speak from the experience of a 35 year old girl.

 

[EmilyMiller]

If your answer to the question "What is this story about?" stats with "It's about a woman who..." it's female centric. Everything else is just commentary.

That’s an almost tautological definition. I suspect very strongly it’s not what the OP had in mind, nor what many people (regardless of their opinions) have in mind.

It of course works as a robust definition, but I don’t see how that helps with the broader discussion.

My [totally intentional] trope-ridden stories about a semen-addicted OnlyFans creator would be female centric under your definition. I doubt that’s what the OP was asking about.

 

[Annabelle1990]

My post was in reference to Melissa talking about women who have been escorts, so I was just giving some examples of what the guys who pay for play can be looking for. If the guy is the paying customer its going to be all about his wants. That's why they pay, they don't have to be bothered with pesky women looking to be satisfied

I noticed you were replying to her, but you changed my perspective so I responded. I've had a pampered life and I can be selfish. When it is easy to get what you want you do not always consider what other people want.

 

[StillStunned]

I speak from the experience of a 35 year old girl.

Oh, well, then you clearly know best.

I suspect you're a troll, and your line of trolling has lost its entertainment value.

 

[yowser]

How about 'female adjacent?' There's still a subset left out but pretty much the rest of the room is happy.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm just going by personal experience. I don't really know and it would be an interesting experiment.

In most cases, I would agree with your point. For instance, I would say about myself, that although I write many stories from the woman's POV, because I personally find that POV more interesting and erotic than the male POV, if the reader didn't know my gender, most astute readers would guess that I am male, because I write for myself as a reader. There's a fair amount of visual emphasis and male gaze in my stories, because, frankly, that turns me on, and I think those elements would give me away.


But that doesn't mean I COULDN'T write a story that was more "female centric," and I imagine that many skilled male authors, if they tried, could succeed in writing stories that would fool many female readers as to their true gender.

But, as I said, this is pretty much guesswork. We don't know without a test.

I'm counting on @Bramblethorn at this point to step in with references to several studies that have been done on this subject.

 

[MelissaBaby]

In the end its about getting off. There can be different motivations as to why a man is paying for sex, there are different ways to go about getting off

A-wants a QV BJ and leaves happy and stress free
B-wants a half hour and some half and half, same result.
C Wants the hour and the GFE, he wants some conversation, some 'awww baby' that makes the sex seem more personal and provides the fantasy feels to go along with their orgasm.
D-Fetishes...now we're getting complicated but its the same primal base need, just how they get there.

Fair enough, but there are reasons behind why they want what they want, and that's where it's more than a simple biological urge.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm curious: how do you know this? Is this based on actual reading experience, or just a hunch?

I'd be curious to put this idea to the test. Have a bunch of male and female authors write stories that purport to be from the woman's perspective, and then have a bunch of readers read them, blind, and guess the sex of the authors. My guess is that IF the male authors were intentionally writing to make the female perspective authentic, you would be much less successful identifying the gender of the authors than you think you would be. I think there are plenty of male authors who could pass themselves off as female authors if they wanted to and put a little effort into it.

But, of course, I don't know. None of us knows without proof of this.

I know you're not asking me, but I want to add a quick thought.

I think a lot of men write under female names because they'll get more attention here and this applies even more in the market.

Part of why it works is there are still a lot of men out there who on the surface just think its hotter that a woman is writing these dirty stories and then there is the still very prevalent school of thought among men that if something a man wrote got them off it gives off the vibe they might "have the gay" as a friend of mine so eloquently says, a bit of surface or latent homophobia.

That probably won't apply to you or others on this forum because we all write the material and have a more open view, I'm looking at it more from reader perspective.

Let's face it, a male reader would rather imagine a young attractive woman getting wet and squirming in her chair while writing about giving head, them some middle-aged guy writing with one hand.

Optics are a powerful thing

 

[lovecraft68]

I noticed you were replying to her, but you changed my perspective so I responded. I've had a pampered life and I can be selfish. When it is easy to get what you want you do not always consider what other people want.

That's a good perspective to have.

 

[lovecraft68]

I speak from the experience of a 35 year old girl.

Thanks for that, my daughters are 36/33

Christ, I'm getting old.

 

[MelissaBaby]

That’s an almost tautological definition. I suspect very strongly it’s not what the OP had in mind, nor what many people (regardless of their opinions) have in mind.

It of course works as a robust definition, but I don’t see how that helps with the broader discussion.

My [totally intentional] trope-ridden stories about a semen-addicted OnlyFans creator would be female centric under your definition. I doubt that’s what the OP was asking about.

I wasn't responding so much to the broader discussion than I was to the people who were saying that they didn't even understand what the term means.

 

[lovecraft68]

Fair enough, but there are reasons behind why they want what they want, and that's where it's more than a simple biological urge.

Absolutely, that's why I began my post with 'different motivations'

I've always been fascinated with the pay for play industry and both sides of the dynamic. That's what led to my Pay for Play event last year.

But I agree its not simple, lot of moving parts around the actual act.

 

[Annabelle1990]

Oh, well, then you clearly know best.

I suspect you're a troll, and your line of trolling has lost its entertainment value.

I suspect you are an asshole who cannot have a conversation without getting angry.

 

[Annabelle1990]

In most cases, I would agree with your point. For instance, I would say about myself, that although I write many stories from the woman's POV, because I personally find that POV more interesting and erotic than the male POV, if the reader didn't know my gender, most astute readers would guess that I am male, because I write for myself as a reader. There's a fair amount of visual emphasis and male gaze in my stories, because, frankly, that turns me on, and I think those elements would give me away.


But that doesn't mean I COULDN'T write a story that was more "female centric," and I imagine that many skilled male authors, if they tried, could succeed in writing stories that would fool many female readers as to their true gender.

But, as I said, this is pretty much guesswork. We don't know without a test.

I'm counting on @Bramblethorn at this point to step in with references to several studies that have been done on this subject.

This is my point exactly. I am not saying you should not try. I have said nothing that even implies that. I just said good luck.

 

[Annabelle1990]

Thanks for that, my daughters are 36/33

Christ, I'm getting old.

I hope to live long enough to get old too!

 

[Kumquatqueen]

I'd be curious to put this idea to the test. Have a bunch of male and female authors write stories that purport to be from the woman's perspective, and then have a bunch of readers read them, blind, and guess the sex of the authors. My guess is that IF the male authors were intentionally writing to make the female perspective authentic, you would be much less successful identifying the gender of the authors than you think you would be. I think there are plenty of male authors who could pass themselves off as female authors if they wanted to and put a little effort into it.

It's been done. For example, Switch Hitters - Lesbians Write Gay Male Erotica and Gay Men Write Lesbian Erotica. Some excellent stories in there, and I doubt anyone could point to any sentence in the volume and say 'that would never have been written by a woman/man.'

Or going back through time, when many female authors published under male or ambiguous names - the Brontë sisters, George Eliot, Pat Barker, PD James - I don't recall any early reviews saying 'its obviously a woman'.

​

 

[MelissaBaby]

It's been done. For example, Switch Hitters - Lesbians Write Gay Male Erotica and Gay Men Write Lesbian Erotica. Some excellent stories in there, and I doubt anyone could point to any sentence in the volume and say 'that would never have been written by a woman/man.'

Or going back through time, when many female authors published under male or ambiguous names - the Brontë sisters, George Eliot, Pat Barker, PD James - I don't recall any early reviews saying 'its obviously a woman'.

At least in part, I think that's because the default assumption is that authors are male.

Adding to your list-Andre Norton and James Tiptree.

 

[SimonDoom]

It's been done. For example, Switch Hitters - Lesbians Write Gay Male Erotica and Gay Men Write Lesbian Erotica. Some excellent stories in there, and I doubt anyone could point to any sentence in the volume and say 'that would never have been written by a woman/man.'

Or going back through time, when many female authors published under male or ambiguous names - the Brontë sisters, George Eliot, Pat Barker, PD James - I don't recall any early reviews saying 'its obviously a woman'.

​

I don't read contemporary "romance" novels, as such, but my understanding is that there are plenty of male authors writing novels under female pseudonyms, and not getting called out for it as fake.

 

[MelissaBaby]

I don't read contemporary "romance" novels, as such, but my understanding is that there are plenty of male authors writing novels under female pseudonyms, and not getting called out for it as fake.

I don't know if it's still the case, but I believe that at one point, it was mandatory at some publishing houses for all romance authors to use female pen names