George Santos

[SimonDoom]

This is an amusing thread, if you have a dark sense of humor. Santos obviously is a scoundrel and a fraud. If he had any decency he would resign, but of course he does not. The story about him writing bad checks to steal puppies from the Amish took the cake, for me.
That said, he probably won't leave Congress unless he chooses to. Expelling congressmen has only happened five times: three times during the Civil War, and twice following criminal convictions. McCarthy needs every vote he can get and he's not going to push getting rid of Santos.

 

[SimonDoom]

Better than RINO Romney the traitor who doesn't hesitate to support the Democrats, the weasel. I'd rather have a fuckwit like Santos whose vote can be counted on than a weasel like Romney who stabs his party and GOP voters in the back for MSM accolades.

You're an intelligent and informed person (unlike many who contribute to this forum) so I'm surprised at your hyperbole. There's no meaningful sense whatsoever in which Romney is a traitor. On most issues and votes he's been a party-line GOP supporter. He supported Trump's judicial nominees and policies. The one way in which he was not loyal to Trump was in voting to convict Trump on impeachment. That's not treason in any meaningful, ethical, or legal sense. Nobody owes a duty of loyalty in this sense to the President; that's an un-American concept. One's duty is to one's country, its laws, and its Constitution. If one believes in good faith that the President has violated his duty to the Constitution, then one should side with the Constitution, not the President. You may have disagreed with his vote on impeachment, but I don't think you have a valid reason to doubt that he voted in good faith or that he voted against his conscience for the sake of being popular. It was a vote against his own personal political interest. The easy thing would have been to vote to acquit, as almost every other Republican did. It's not being logical to assume he did it to appease the "MSM." The guy is in his 70s and rich beyond measure, secure in his accomplishments, and he stands to gain nothing from that. I think you have it backward. Romney is unusual among politicians in that, whatever you think of his politics, he's secure in his self-esteem and doesn't need others' praise. Trump, on the other hand, constantly manifests an almost desperate, child-like desire to get applause and praise from people. The unceasing flow of praise to Trump is like water flowing past a shark's gills; he feels like he's going to die without it.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You're an intelligent and informed person (unlike many who contribute to this forum) so I'm surprised at your hyperbole.

Appearances can be deceiving.

 

[SimonDoom]

Appearances can be deceiving.

No. Chloe's intelligence is obvious to anyone who pays attention and can put aside ideological bias. But for an intelligent person when it comes to political issues I think she has an odd tendency to violate the principles of Occam's Razor and veer toward extravagantly biased interpretations of the behaviors of those with whom she disagrees.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

No. Chloe's intelligence is obvious to anyone who pays attention and can put aside ideological bias. But for an intelligent person when it comes to political issues I think she has an odd tendency to violate the principles of Occam's Razor and veer toward extravagantly biased interpretations of the behaviors of those with whom she disagrees.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you have yours I have mine.

 

[Dribble]

"She's" just another iteration of our Que

 

[butters]

How many more lyin' GOPers?

A GOP congressman faces accusations of embellishing résumé as report compares him to George Santos' scandal​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/www.foxnews.com.icoFox News|11 hours ago
Republican Rep. Andy Ogles of Tennessee is facing accusations of embellishing his professional experience and résumé just weeks following the scandal surrounding GOP Rep. George Santos of New York.

"A fraud like George Santos": New investigation blows major holes in MAGA Republican's resume​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/www.msn.com.icoSalon on MSN.com|13 hours ago
An investigation from local news outlet NewsChannel 5 revealed several holes in Ogles' personal life story after he claimed to be an economist during the House speaker vote last month. "Yeah, you know, ...

how many others? probably some both sides of the aisle though my personal bias would make me lean to believing a whole lot more are from the republican side. They seem to embrace lies more easily and more fully than democrats.

 

[phrodeau]

Now he’s being accused of killing dolphins in Australia.

https://amp.smh.com.au/business/com...dolphins-in-an-oil-spill-20230216-p5cl4z.html

 

[ChloeTzang]

You're an intelligent and informed person (unlike many who contribute to this forum) so I'm surprised at your hyperbole. There's no meaningful sense whatsoever in which Romney is a traitor. On most issues and votes he's been a party-line GOP supporter. He supported Trump's judicial nominees and policies. The one way in which he was not loyal to Trump was in voting to convict Trump on impeachment. That's not treason in any meaningful, ethical, or legal sense. Nobody owes a duty of loyalty in this sense to the President; that's an un-American concept. One's duty is to one's country, its laws, and its Constitution. If one believes in good faith that the President has violated his duty to the Constitution, then one should side with the Constitution, not the President. You may have disagreed with his vote on impeachment, but I don't think you have a valid reason to doubt that he voted in good faith or that he voted against his conscience for the sake of being popular. It was a vote against his own personal political interest. The easy thing would have been to vote to acquit, as almost every other Republican did. It's not being logical to assume he did it to appease the "MSM." The guy is in his 70s and rich beyond measure, secure in his accomplishments, and he stands to gain nothing from that. I think you have it backward. Romney is unusual among politicians in that, whatever you think of his politics, he's secure in his self-esteem and doesn't need others' praise. Trump, on the other hand, constantly manifests an almost desperate, child-like desire to get applause and praise from people. The unceasing flow of praise to Trump is like water flowing past a shark's gills; he feels like he's going to die without it.

Actually, hyperbole and pushing buttons aside, I tend to agree with you, Simon. However sanctimonious I think Romney is, he has his principles and he sticks to them. I don't like them, but you're right.

I like Trump, I think he was cheated out of his 2nd term, I think he'll win the GOP nomination in 2024 and I'll vote for him if he's the candidate, but at this point I think he's getting a little carried away and I'd far rather see DeSantis as the candidate. He's a lot more organized and waaaay and the fuck more ruthless than Trump, and I think he would purge the Federal bureaucracy throroughly, something I don't think Trimp is organized enough to do as it needs to be done.

As for Santos, he's an irrelevance. The day Biden resigns for all his lies would be the day I'd say bye bye Santos. Until then, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. As long as he votes the GOP line, I don't really care what he does or has done. The important thing is his vote.

 

[KeithD]

"A little carried away."

Just one example of how bonkers you are politically, Chloe. I give you a pass because you are so far out there that all one can do is shake their head and chuckle.

 

[phrodeau]

I like Trump, I think he was cheated out of his 2nd term,

Trump lost the Electoral College in a big way. He was not cheated out of anything, and lost fair and square. Anybody who tells you otherwise is trying to sell pillows.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Trump lost the Electoral College in a big way. He was not cheated out of anything, and lost fair and square. Anybody who tells you otherwise is trying to sell pillows.

And if Miz Zhang actually believes — like deep down in the soul — that Cheeto was cheated outta his fully legit loss, then I got a bridge in Brooklyn I'll bundle with those pillows for the sale.
I got a pending vacation in the Riviera I need to finance, quick-like.

 

[jaF0]

I'll vote for him if he's the candidate,

The day Biden resigns for all his lies

An you call Romney the traitor you worthless shitbag?

 

[SimonDoom]

I like Trump, I think he was cheated out of his 2nd term, I think he'll win the GOP nomination in 2024 and I'll vote for him if he's the candidate, but at this point I think he's getting a little carried away and I'd far rather see DeSantis as the candidate. He's a lot more organized and waaaay and the fuck more ruthless than Trump, and I think he would purge the Federal bureaucracy throroughly, something I don't think Trimp is organized enough to do as it needs to be done.

I'm an independent, and my politics don't fit neatly into the available Republican/Democrat boxes. I do not understand the appeal of Trump. To me it seems obvious he's a conman, grifter, and phony. He's a proven liar and cheat. His own cabinet members back up this view: he's not trying to help America; he's just in it for himself. The idea that Trump, the ultimate swamp creature, who has spent an entire life grifting and cheating the system, wants to drain the swamp is the most laughable notion in all of American politics. I truly do not get it. It feels like a cult to me.
I think DeSantis will run and get the nomination, and he'll probably beat Biden, whose mental abilities are visibly declining, but to me it's amazing that anybody could still support Trump, who is too old, who would be a lame duck one-termer, and who has multiple crime/fraud investigations dogging him, one or more of which may land him in prison. He pleaded the Fifth Amendment, for Pete's sake. Trump Organization was convicted of tax crimes. He wrote the checks. He's a criminal. He publicly urged Mike Pence to violate his constitutional duty on January 6. There is no legitimate or coherent defense under the Constitution of what he urged Pence to do. I don't understand how this cannot matter to people, policy arguments aside.

 

[jaF0]

There are few worse things that could happen to world democracy than DeSatinist taking higher office. He is far beyond Donny's level of evil.

 

[SimonDoom]

There are few worse things that could happen to world democracy than DeSatinist taking higher office. He is far beyond Donny's level of evil.

If you don't like Trump's politics, you're not going to like DeSantis's either, but I don't see any evidence that DeSantis rises to Trump's level of corruption, self-interest, and willingness to break the law. I think it's far less likely that he would be played by foreign leaders like Putin and Kim Jong Un like Trump. He's far more intelligent and educated than Trump.

 

[Rotadom]

No. Chloe's intelligence is obvious to anyone who pays attention and can put aside ideological bias. But for an intelligent person when it comes to political issues I think she has an odd tendency to violate the principles of Occam's Razor and veer toward extravagantly biased interpretations of the behaviors of those with whom she disagrees.

All racists are stupid but not all stupid people are racists.
Chloe's ideologies lock him into the stupid people category.

 

[jaF0]

If you don't like Trump's politics, you're not going to like DeSantis's either, but I don't see any evidence that DeSantis rises to Trump's level of corruption, self-interest, and willingness to break the law. I think it's far less likely that he would be played by foreign leaders like Putin and Kim Jong Un like Trump. He's far more intelligent and educated than Trump.

And that's exactly why he's so much more dangerous.

 

[KeithD]

I'm an independent, and my politics don't fit neatly into the available Republican/Democrat boxes. I do not understand the appeal of Trump. To me it seems obvious he's a conman, grifter, and phony. He's a proven liar and cheat. His own cabinet members back up this view: he's not trying to help America; he's just in it for himself. The idea that Trump, the ultimate swamp creature, who has spent an entire life grifting and cheating the system, wants to drain the swamp is the most laughable notion in all of American politics. I truly do not get it. It feels like a cult to me.
I think DeSantis will run and get the nomination, and he'll probably beat Biden, whose mental abilities are visibly declining, but to me it's amazing that anybody could still support Trump, who is too old, who would be a lame duck one-termer, and who has multiple crime/fraud investigations dogging him, one or more of which may land him in prison. He pleaded the Fifth Amendment, for Pete's sake. Trump Organization was convicted of tax crimes. He wrote the checks. He's a criminal. He publicly urged Mike Pence to violate his constitutional duty on January 6. There is no legitimate or coherent defense under the Constitution of what he urged Pence to do. I don't understand how this cannot matter to people, policy arguments aside.

You lost me when you didn't off the bat retract your "intelligent" assessment of Chloe based on what she then posted. Chloe is fun. She demonstrates, though, that she really doesn't have intelligence in the political sphere.

 

[SimonDoom]

You lost me when you didn't off the bat retract your "intelligent" assessment of Chloe based on what she then posted. Chloe is fun. She demonstrates, though, that she really doesn't have intelligence in the political sphere.

I think there's zero correlation between what we usually think of as intelligence and political views. I know people who I know to be exceptionally intelligent, and well-educated, but whose political views I regard as ridiculous. Chloe obviously is highly intelligent, based on her writing, the things she reads, and her contributions in the Author's Hangout. I don't agree with some of her political views but that has no bearing on my assessment of her intelligence, or anyone else's.

 

[SimonDoom]

And that's exactly why he's so much more dangerous.

I'm more sanguine than some about that because I think there's less difference between Democrats and Republicans than some do. Trump is unique in the degree to which he threatens the basic rule of law and constitutional government. He's demonstrated that he has no regard for either. I don't think we've ever had such a lawless president.

 

[jaF0]

Again, that's what makes DeSatinist far more evil. He'll work within the law and if he can't, he'll get laws changed to support his evil. Look at the Disney mess.

 

[KeithD]

I think there's zero correlation between what we usually think of as intelligence and political views. I know people who I know to be exceptionally intelligent, and well-educated, but whose political views I regard as ridiculous. Chloe obviously is highly intelligent, based on her writing, the things she reads, and her contributions in the Author's Hangout. I don't agree with some of her political views but that has no bearing on my assessment of her intelligence, or anyone else's.

Sorry, what Chloe spouted on here was absolute bonkers. As I posted, though, she's fun as long as she has no actual community decision power in this life. You can't compartment intelligence as you've done. If you can't process personal and societal benefit and welfare in political beliefs, you can't claim intelligence--or be accorded it.

 

[SimonDoom]

Sorry, what Chloe spouted on here was absolute bonkers. As I posted, though, she's fun as long as she has no actual community decision power in this life. You can't compartment intelligence as you've done. If you can't process personal and societal benefit and welfare in political beliefs, you can't claim intelligence--or be accorded it.

I guess it depends on how you define intelligence. To me, intelligence and wisdom are two completely different things.

Bobby Fischer, the world chess champion, obviously was a genius. There were reports his IQ was in the 180s, or something like that. You cannot be the world champion in that activity without being highly intelligent.

But in matters of politics he was completely bonkers. An anti-semite and a nutty conspiracy theorist. Being crazy didn't mean he wasn't a genius. There have been plenty of crazy geniuses.

 

[jaF0]

Spin it however you like, twist the words all you want, but anyone who supports the evil of Santos, DeSatinist and The Oraguntan is NOT 'intelligent'.