literotica all about sex-positivity. So why such moralizing comments on Loving Wives?

[Lifestyle66]

This has always been an issue. That's why tags are important, and you should use them. Also, the categories are mainly for the readers' benefit when it comes down to it. They're the ones searching for something; us writers start with a blank canvas.

(the customer is always right)

Tags are irrelevant to those readers (probably MOST readers) who are looking for NEW stories. They're not searching every day for the same tags they've always been looking for. They are browsing the titles and descriptions of the stories in the NEW list or in the latest 25 stories posted as new at the top of their favored category list.

One issue is that no interesting story is going to fit only ONE category and the readers should know this before reading.

My story is about a Loving Wife who is Mature, engaging in consensual non-monogamy in a Group Sex setting who's approving husband has a Fetish for her feet as do the guys who play with them while fucking her. Oh, and since she asks her husband to go down on her dirty pussy 8 hrs later to prove he's not upset, it's now BDSM. So which is it?

Yes, us writers need to make a decision where to put the story and stick with it without apology. But the knuckleheads who read the stories need to understand that every good story (not saying mine is that, necessarily) is going to have elements from more than one category.

So, IMO, the key to reducing the hatred of your story is to be more honest in the title and description as to what the reader might expect.

It's disingenuous to title the story "I Truly Love You, My Darling", with a description "The loving wife gives her husband his wish," then surprise the reader with her telling her husband to put on his cock cage before eating her lover cum from her used pussy.

It doesn't matter if that's the husband's consensual wish. To the unsuspecting reader, this reads more like a fetish, and they're now going down their checklist of things they find offensive. And one thing I would guess most readers find offensive is "bait and switch". But that's how they're feeling with that title and description. SURPRISE!

The deceptive title/description will get you more views. But be careful what you wish for, they'll hate it!

 

[mildlyaroused]

Tags are irrelevant to those readers (probably MOST readers) who are looking for NEW stories. They're not searching every day for the same tags they've always been looking for. They are browsing the titles and descriptions of the stories in the NEW list or in the latest 25 stories posted as new at the top of their favored category list.

No they're not, they're very relevant. Tags aren't just a tool for people to find your stories through searching.

Once readers click on your story, they can look at your tags and see if there's any turn-offs for them. It helps them temper their expectations and decide whether it's worth investing their time. It's an opportunity for the author to provide a little more information on what the story contains.

I agree with you, though, that title and description are what you need to nail in terms of tone and content. Don't bait the reader to get views if the bait doesn't fit your actual story.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

No they're not, they're very relevant. Tags aren't just a tool for people to find your stories through searching.

Once readers click on your story, they can look at your tags and see if there's any turn-offs for them. It helps them temper their expectations and decide whether it's worth investing their time. It's an opportunity for the author to provide a little more information on what the story contains.

I agree with you, though, that title and description are what you need to nail in terms of tone and content. Don't bait the reader to get views if the bait doesn't fit your actual story.

I kinda lean towards agreeing with Lifestyle on that issue.

Personally, I stopped checking the tags almost entirely. The reason for it is simply that, more often than not, the story I'm reading simply doesn't have any tags. And, if it does, I often find crap like "[Sarah said] [stairway] [pulled a gun]". It's like someone just tried to copy a paragraph of their story into the tag field and simply went with whatever came out of it.

So, yes, tags CAN be used to check for any turn-offs, but, based on that personal experience, I wouldn't be surprised if fewer people than we think actually do that.

And I also wouldn't be surprised if the readership in LW will comment vitriol regardless, as they see it as a means to either drive off authors who post stuff they don't like or make them post stuff they do like.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Once readers click on your story, they can look at your tags and see if there's any turn-offs for them.

Once I click on your new story because of the title and description, if you tricked me, you'll get what you deserve. And I think many people feel that way.

I don't click on a story and then hover over the tags to find out if you've trick me. I start reading when I open a story.

And if you throw something I find truly offensive that wasn't expected with the title or description, then the negative reaction grows.

Now if you write a story titled "Husband Likes It in His Ass" and describes it as "Loving wife finds lovers to meet their unique needs", then it's on me to decide if I want to click on that. But at least it would be an honest LW story, and not bait & switch just looking for the views.

Edit: But in LW, there are some readers who open EVERY new story and rate & comment on it, regardless of whether the title warns them. It's their entertainment!

 

[LMWM321]

So, IMO, the key to reducing the hatred of your story is to be more honest in the title and description as to what the reader might expect.

How much clearer could I have been? Here's my Title/ Discription. And you're only allowed a small amount of text - perhaps that should be changed. So, given the limited amount of characters allowed, my title/ description are pretty apropos.

Midnight Yoga as Husband Sleeps​

Midnight Yoga for group sex as husband sleeps.

It's not like I Rickrolled people into reading something they couldn't have expected.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

How much clearer could I have been? Here's my Title/ Discription. And you're only allowed a small amount of text - perhaps that should be changed. So, given the limited amount of characters allowed, my title/ description are pretty apropos.

Midnight Yoga as Husband Sleeps​

Midnight Yoga for group sex as husband sleeps.

It's not like I Rickrolled people into reading something they couldn't have expected.

...really?

Your title and description make readers think it's a story about a midnight yoga session, where a wife has sex without her husband. They then open the story and find... no midnight yoga session that turns into group sex. They find a husband getting TOLD that PRIOR to your story the wife had sex and is now telling him to eat creampies.

That's the ONLY sexual content in your story.

 

[LMWM321]

...really?

Your title and description make readers think it's a story about a midnight yoga session, where a wife has sex without her husband. They then open the story and find... no midnight yoga session that turns into group sex. They find a husband getting TOLD that PRIOR to your story the wife had sex and is now telling him to eat creampies.

That's the ONLY sexual content in your story.

Oh, please.. so there are those who were disappointed b/c there was no actual Yoga taking place? And there needs to be a trigger-warning b/c he's asked to go down on her - 8 hrs later!? This is an erotic lit site for goodness sake.

How about the fact that she pushed a nipple into the guys' mouths - should there be a trigger-warning for that too? Or that she enjoyed the feeling of their cum b/w her legs? Again this is the Hot Wife section of an erotic literature website!

Given the small number of allotted characters, how would you have described it? And of ALL the new stories posted on LW my title/ description is more descriptive than most.

Again, you're suggesting I Rickrolled people into seeing something they couldn't have possibly expected - on a Kink Website, in a forum about Hot Wives. I'm not getting it.

 

[SimonDoom]

Once I click on your new story because of the title and description, if you tricked me, you'll get what you deserve. And I think many people feel that way.

The problem I have with this is it sounds like conspiracy theory thinking. Nobody is trying to trick you. That's ridiculous. At the same time, authors only have so much responsibility to hold your hand and shield you from content that you might not like. You have some responsibility in that regard as a reader, don't you?

If you choose to read a story in the Loving Wives category, then you are on notice, right from the beginning, that it might be a cuckold or hot wife story, because that's what the category originally was created for, and the category even today is chock-full of such stories. It's up to you to do what you can to figure out what sort of Loving Wives story it is. I've read plenty of Loving Wives stories, and it's almost always completely obvious to me very early in the story what kind of story it is. The objection "You tricked me!" rings hollow.

In this particular case, the title of the story and the tagline give the reader PLENTY of forewarning--after all, the title makes it clear that something is going on WHILE THE HUSBAND IS ASLEEP. If, as a reader, you can't surmise the probable content from that, then it's purely on you. Come on.

This story is less than one total Literotica page. The content and nature of it become clear fairly early, so it's not like a reader will be surprised after a significant investment in the story. For a reader to say, "I don't like this and I'm not going to continue" is fine. For a reader to say about this story, "You tricked me, and I'm going to let you have it with my vote and comments" is precious and silly and obnoxious. It's an entitled attitude, and it denies to those whose kinks are different a fair opportunity to enjoy their own kinks without being sabotaged by those who have different kinks.

 

[lovecraft68]

Notice none of the trolls post here. They'd have to have an ID to do so and its way too much to expect anyone to want to even assign a fake name to the hatred they exhibit.

 

[SimonDoom]

Notice none of the trolls post here. They'd have to have an ID to do so and its way too much to expect anyone to want to even assign a fake name to the hatred they exhibit.

Something we always need to keep in mind is that we are a tiny piece of the members of this site. We're not representative of anything but ourselves, and we're just the tiny fraction of readers and authors who bother to post here. Most authors don't even post here. They probably have no interest in the things that concern us on a daily basis.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

Oh, please.. so there are those who were disappointed b/c there was no actual Yoga taking place? And there needs to be a trigger-warning b/c he's asked to go down on her 8hrs later? This is an erotic lit site for goodness sake.

Yes. I'm sorry if this is news to you, but, when it comes to writing smut, there are topics that are safe and there are topics that need "trigger warnings". Like child abuse or sexual assault, there are things that the majority of people find overwhelmingly disgusting. And the mental image of eating another man's sperm, after you went to great lengths to paint that picture (so I struggle to understand what "it's eight hours later" has any meaning in this discussion), is, for many readers, nausea-inducing.

Again, I'm sorry if that's hard for you as someone who seems to enjoy it, but not everybody shares that sentiment.

How about the fact that she pushed a nipple into the guys' mouths - should there be a trigger-warning for that too? Or that she enjoyed the feeling of their cum b/w her legs? Again this is an erotic literature website!

Yes. Literotica is a website for erotic literature. But you will soon learn that Literotica is also a buyer's market. While we're here to share our stories, they are here to consume stories that align with their fantasies. They have literally tens of thousands of free stories at their fingertips here. If they don't like your stuff, they can just move on and read something else. But since they understandably became used to getting whatever they want, they don't just move on... they first tell you how much you suck for posting something they didn't like, hoping you either stop posting it or start posting something they will like.

Given the small number of allotted characters, how would you have described it? And of ALL the new stories posted on LW my title/ description is more descriptive than most.

It might me descriptive, but it describes the wrong thing! The correct description would be "Hubby made to eat a dozen creampies after wife’s yoga session". Because THAT'S what your story is about.

 

[Lifestyle66]

The problem I have with this is it sounds like conspiracy theory thinking. Nobody is trying to trick you. That's ridiculous. At the same time, authors only have so much responsibility to hold your hand and shield you from content that you might not like. You have some responsibility in that regard as a reader, don't you?

If you choose to read a story in the Loving Wives category, then you are on notice, right from the beginning, that it might be a cuckold or hot wife story, because that's what the category originally was created for, and the category even today is chock-full of such stories. It's up to you to do what you can to figure out what sort of Loving Wives story it is. I've read plenty of Loving Wives stories, and it's almost always completely obvious to me very early in the story what kind of story it is. The objection "You tricked me!" rings hollow.

In this particular case, the title of the story and the tagline give the reader PLENTY of forewarning--after all, the title makes it clear that something is going on WHILE THE HUSBAND IS ASLEEP. If, as a reader, you can't surmise the probable content from that, then it's purely on you. Come on.

This story is less than one total Literotica page. The content and nature of it become clear fairly early, so it's not like a reader will be surprised after a significant investment in the story. For a reader to say, "I don't like this and I'm not going to continue" is fine. For a reader to say about this story, "You tricked me, and I'm going to let you have it with my vote and comments" is precious and silly and obnoxious. It's an entitled attitude, and it denies to those whose kinks are different a fair opportunity to enjoy their own kinks without being sabotaged by those who have different kinks.

Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and not launch on you for that ASSumption that I don't know what I'm opening in LW.

"Loving Wives" is "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more." (See. I can read.) So, when I open one of those stories, those are the first things I'm expecting.

Now that "and more" is what's leaving that category open to such abuse by authors, and thus we might get some shitty responses from many of the readers.

WHEN the author throws in other sexual activities (other than married extra-marital fun, swinging and sharing) such as oral, anal, water sports, cum swapping/eating, domination, pegging, bondage (including cock cages), humiliation, breeding, lesbian, gay, incest, gangbangs, inter-racial, horror, scifi, or toys, ... THEN ... those of us looking for just married extra-marital fun, swinging and sharing go down our checklists of what we might find offensive, seeing it as bait & switch.

My point in the previous posts is that when an author chooses a category, that's an assumed first tag. Then the title and description need to show any other sexual deviations other than PIV which might elicit a negative reaction.

If the author decides to throw any of those other things into the mix, then take the audience reaction you asked for! You wanted their views, now take they reaction!

 

[LMWM321]

Like child abuse or sexual assault, there are things that the majority of people find overwhelmingly disgusting.

Don't bring THAT into this! Trust me, I find those two things as reprehensible as you.

NO ONE visiting Loving Wives should expect either of those things. Except of course you do find comments promoting horrible violence against adult women who are simply doing what they please with their own bodies - with the full knowledge and consent from their husbands.

..Sorry but I'm not seeing your point at all.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Don't bring THAT into this! Trust me, I find those two things as reprehensible as you.

NO ONE visiting Loving Wives should expect either of those things. Except of course you do find comments promoting horrible violence against adult women who are simply doing what they please with their own bodies - with the full knowledge and consent from their husbands.

..Sorry but I'm not seeing your point at all.

His point is what I'm trying to get across to Simon: WHEN the author throws in other sexual activities (other than married extra-marital fun, swinging and sharing) such as oral, anal, water sports, cum swapping/eating, domination, pegging, bondage (including cock cages), humiliation, breeding, lesbian, gay, incest, gangbangs, inter-racial, horror, scifi, or toys, ... THEN ... those of us looking for just married extra-marital fun, swinging and sharing go down our checklists of what we might find offensive, seeing it as bait & switch.

Just because I like something extra, doesn't equate to EVERYONE in LW accepting that as normal or desirable.

 

[SimonDoom]

WHEN the author throws in other sexual activities (other than married extra-marital fun, swinging and sharing) such as oral, anal, water sports, cum swapping/eating, domination, pegging, bondage (including cock cages), humiliation, breeding, lesbian, gay, incest, gangbangs, inter-racial, horror, scifi, or toys, ... THEN ... those of us looking for just married extra-marital fun, swinging and sharing go down our checklists of what we might find offensive, seeing it as bait & switch.

My point in the previous posts is that when an author chooses a category, that's an assumed first tag. Then the title and description need to show any other sexual deviations other than PIV which might elicit a negative reaction.

If the author decides to throw any of those other things into the mix, then take the audience reaction you asked for! You wanted their views, now take they reaction!

I think this is a nonsensical and unworkable point of view. It strikes me as the ultimate "snowflake" reader point of view. Look at all the things you listed. "Oral"? Really? An author should feel obligated to put up a warning sign to let you know that--Horrors!--oral sex is ahead? There's no way a reasonable author should feel positively obligated to warn every possible reader of every possible thing the reader might not like. That's patently unreasonable.

If you don't like the content and you don't like the story, fine. Stop reading it, or dock the score by 1. Let the author know, politely in a comment, that you didn't enjoy that part of the story. But don't give me this nonsense about being "tricked" because the author didn't go down a long checklist and caution you about everything you might not possibly like. No author, in any context, has that obligation. I don't know about you, but as a reader I LIKE to be surprised. It's part of the pleasure of reading. Many readers feel that way. If I don't like the particular surprise, I say to myself "I didn't like that." But I don't pretend I've been tricked and gin up a phony justification to bomb the author and unload on him everything I've got, and try to pretend "He's got it coming." That's just ridiculous. It's a phony excuse for entitled, bad behavior.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

..Sorry but I'm not seeing your point at all.

Wow. Okay. I honestly don't know how anyone could put this in even simpler terms without entering ELI5 territory, which really shouldn't be necessary on a site for adult-themed literature, so let me try another angle instead.

If I say "Gay sex", what do you think of? Probably two dudes getting it on.
If I say "BDSM", what do you think of? Probably leather straps and whips.
And if I say "Group sex"... you REALLY shouldn't be thinking of two people, sitting alone in their marital bed, where the husband is made to eat sperm.

 

[LMWM321]

Wow. Okay. I honestly don't know how anyone could put this in even simpler terms without entering ELI5 territory, which really shouldn't be necessary on a site for adult-themed literature, so let me try another angle instead.

If I say "Gay sex", what do you think of? Probably two dudes getting it on.
If I say "BDSM", what do you think of? Probably leather straps and whips.
And if I say "Group sex"... you REALLY shouldn't be thinking of two people, sitting alone in their marital bed, where the husband is made to eat sperm.

What are you talking about? Did you read the story? ..Maria had sex w/ 5 guys at a Yoga studio while two other women were 6ft from her each having sex with their own 4 guys. That isn't group sex? Sure, she had sex later with her husband, but most of the story was about the group sex! How it came together, the rules, why - in her 50's - she decided to do it, her joy in doing it, what she got out of it, etc... Did you read It?

The fun and challenge of the story was conjuring a scenario where an aging woman, who wants to relive some her promiscuity while her health and beauty still allow, to do so without fear of violence or judgment. That was the gist of the story. That is what most of the text was about. You're focusing on her asking him to go down on her 8 hrs after she's done. And it's not a cream-pie at that point - it's absorbed or dried. ..But that was last minute add-in, to be honest, just to make it more scintillating. What about his masturbating in front of her? Trigger-warning for that too?

 

[Lifestyle66]

I think this is a nonsensical and unworkable point of view. It strikes me as the ultimate "snowflake" reader point of view. Look at all the things you listed. "Oral"? Really? An author should feel obligated to put up a warning sign to let you know that--Horrors!--oral sex is ahead? There's no way a reasonable author should feel positively obligated to warn every possible reader of every possible thing the reader might not like. That's patently unreasonable.

If you don't like the content and you don't like the story, fine. Stop reading it, or dock the score by 1. Let the author know, politely in a comment, that you didn't enjoy that part of the story. But don't give me this nonsense about being "tricked" because the author didn't go down a long checklist and caution you about everything you might not possibly like. No author, in any context, has that obligation. I don't know about you, but as a reader I LIKE to be surprised. It's part of the pleasure of reading. Many readers feel that way. If I don't like the particular surprise, I say to myself "I didn't like that." But I don't pretend I've been tricked and gin up a phony justification to bomb the author and unload on him everything I've got, and try to pretend "He's got it coming." That's just ridiculous. It's a phony excuse for entitled, bad behavior.

Are you obtuse, or just trolling?

I gave a list of things other than PIV sex. Most of my stories include at least the wife going down on the husband, and I take my chances when anyone reads my story that they might find that offensive.

The POINT is that such deviations from just the category description carry their own plus or minus on the reader's checklist.

And if you REALLY piss someone off, then you asked for it.

 

[Lifestyle66]

You're focusing on her asking him to go down on her 8 hrs after she's done. And it's not a cream-pie at that point - it's absorbed or dried. ..But that was last minute add-in, to be honest, just to make it more scintillating. What about his masturbating in front of her? Trigger-warning for that too?

You can't direct others to like what you like. And if they don't like it, you got their reaction.

If you enjoy sharing your story with more views, then accept their opinions. Your "scintillating" add-on turned people off. Had you ended your story without that, it would have received at least some more positive ratings.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

What are you talking about? Did you read the story? ..Maria had sex w/ 5 guys at a Yoga studio while two other women were 6ft from her each having sex with their own 4 guys. That isn't group sex? Sure, she had sex later with her husband, but most of the story was about the group sex! How it came together, the rules, why - in her 50's - she decided to do it, her joy in doing it, what she got out of it, etc... Did you read It?

The fun and challenge of the story was conjuring a scenario where an aging woman, who wants to relive some her promiscuity while her health and beauty still allow, to do so without fear of violence or judgment. That was the gist of the story. That is what most of the text was about. You're focusing on her asking him to go down on her 8 hrs after she's done. And it's not a cream-pie at that point - it's absorbed or dried. ..But that was last minute add-in, to be honest, just to make it more scintillating. What about his masturbating in front of her? Trigger-warning for that too?

I'm not focusing on the creampie eating because that's the only takeaway I got from your story. I'm focusing on it because that's what your story is all about!

The wife MENTIONS that she fucked a bunch of dudes, and she MENTIONS how it happened... but the singular scene you create and the images you put into your readers' heads are about two people, sitting alone in their bed, having a discussion AFTER what you claim the story to be about happened off-screen! The story starts with them alone in bed, and it ends with them alone in bed, with NOTHING different in between.

And, I'm sorry, but if you're having that much of a hard time understanding this... It kinda makes me wonder if you even understand your own writing.

 

[mildlyaroused]

And if you REALLY piss someone off, then you asked for it.

This is just such a silly thing to say, though.

You openly admitted to not reading tags when you open a story. So if you (or someone like you) skips over the tags then offends themselves because they come across something that turns them off, how was the author asking for it? You're the one who skipped the tags.

If every story had to write ONLY to the category description, we would have a pitiful array of stories that all read exactly the same. The categories are a baseline, but you can (and should) always expect more than the very basics listed in the category descriptor.

Take Incest/Taboo. The description is "Keeping it in the family." Okay, well what the fuck does that mean? Every single I/T story develops upon that base category. That's how the categories work.

The title and description help, but not enough. You can't summarise an entire story in 60 characters or whatever the limit is. It's just not possible.

If you deviate from what is explicitly stated in that tiny category description, you're not "asking for" anything, you're just doing your job. You're writing a story.

 

[LMWM321]

You can't direct others to like what you like. And if they don't like it, you got their reaction.

If you enjoy sharing your story with more views, then accept their opinions. Your "scintillating" add-on turned people off. Had you ended your story without that, it would have received at least some more positive ratings.

Well it turned you off, but not everyone. As I mentioned earlier, of my 4 stories it is doing the best as this point. Go figure.

 

[LMWM321]

And, I'm sorry, but if you're having that much of a hard time understanding this... It kinda makes me wonder if you even understand your own writing.

You're telling me what the point of my story is... That's ridiculous. I'm telling you - it's overwhelming about a Mature woman who does something she's never done before that makes her feel young and desired AND does it in a way that is ethical (strictly speaking) AND minimizes participants from forming romantic attachments. And though they don't do any Yoga per se, Yoga is cited, with some elaboration, as the reason for her's and the other women's self-confidence. This story is less than One Page in length which was another goal when I sat down to write it.

So, in your view, I failed in writing a compelling story. Fine. But don't tell me what it's about.

Her demanding oral from him was a surprise erotic closing scene but it is NOT what I set to write about. So you didn't like it - fine. But I'm not sure how I might have spared your delicate sensibilities - a strange thing to have, 'btw, if one goes to an erotic lit site.. Having perused the other Stories on LW and reading a few I find it surprising you get through ANY of them without finding some jarring surprise that was NOT telegraphed in anyway by the title or description.

as a reader I LIKE to be surprised. It's part of the pleasure of reading. Many readers feel that way. If I don't like the particular surprise, I say to myself "I didn't like that." But I don't pretend I've been tricked a

Well said SimonDoom and it may explain why so many people have added it as a Favorite.. "Many" when compared to my other stories, anyway. ..Yes, the rating is low, but so too are so many stories on LW. And now I understand why - it's because strange people go there NOT to be titillated by stories of non-monogamy, but rather to flame those who write them (probably b/c of their own failed relationships) and to advocate for violence toward who women who regard their bodies as their own. The fact that their husband is okay with it doesn't even matter to them. ugh. These unhappy people are more likely to rate and much more likely to leave a comment.

 

[Lifestyle66]

..Yes, the rating is low, but so too are so many stories on LW. And now I understand why - it's because strange people go there NOT to be titillated by stories of non-monogamy, but rather to flame those who write them (probably b/c of their own failed relationships) and to advocate for violence toward who women who regard their bodies as their own. The fact that their husband is okay with it doesn't even matter to them. ugh. These unhappy people are more likely to rate and much more likely to leave a comment.

Good! You're at least trying to understand who the audience is in LW.

Many different personalities come to Literotica looking for stories to excite, entertain, in some way appeal to their particular emotional needs.

I could never go to the "Erotic Horror" category, because I'm not looking for "Bizarre, shocking, scary, and sometimes sexy" stories. I'm looking for the "Extra-marital FUN: swinging, sharing..."

But there are many readers coming to LitE from broken marriages (seems to be a lot of those), where one half of the couple cheated by having an affair (non-consensual extra-marital fun), and the other aggrieved partner is looking for solace in a story of the cheater facing consequences. And which category might give them the best chance of finding those "consequences" stories? Loving Wives!

With my own writings there, I try to minimize the impacts of that sharing lifestyle by pointing out that with the right mindset you can both have fun. BUT there are those who come with a more vindictive attitude toward a former spouse, whose behavior prior to divorce was outrageously hurtful. And those readers will always hate such extra-marital sex stories.

As for your writings, I found your story "Mature Hot Wife Turns a Trick" to be PERFECT for LW! I gave that one a 5 when you first posted it (I browse, select, and read about a third of the new LW stories, looking for the FUN sharing ones.) But this latest effort just didn't do it for me, due to that ending. The midnight yoga was a great story idea, with the wife enjoying that session, and I could see writing a swinger story around that. But it was the "You must do THIS to prove you love me" that was the straw that broke it.

EDIT: There's a different category for "D/s and other power games". Your story could go in either BDSM or LW. But just IMO, that ending screamed Dominatrix.

 

[LMWM321]

Thanks Lifestyle66 for the thoughtful reply and reviews. I much appreciate the feedback and encouragement. My decision for Maria to require some oral before feeling totally forgiven was perhaps a miscalculation, or at least the way I framed it. I definitely wasn't going for a dominatrix angle. It was a last minute add after reading the story to my wife and thinking.. Hmmmm... Nothing but PIV sex in this story. Which was meant to prevent attachments during Midnight Yoga, but it also meant it may not be very exciting for some people. So my wife and I discussed the closing and came up with the eye-widening request.

Doing what Maria was asking certainly wouldn't bother me (again, 8hrs after leaving the studio) but can certainly understand it being a turn-off to some (many). Anyway, thanks again!!