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sr71plt said:
Afraid--both in fairness and in learning not to hurt yourself--that it needs to be noted that's not quite so. Scouries doesn't "do" these things to people here. They do it to themselves. He wants them to do it and he manipulates them to do it, but this is one of those cases of self-inflicted wounding. And it all unfolded here (not on this particular thread but on another live thread nearby). Reading that string would be very instructive on how to let Scouries "make" you do yourself in. If someone is sitting there with a knife unsheathed and pointed at you, and you walk over and throw yourself on the knife, all of the "fault" can't really be assigned to the one holding the knife.

I have to agree with this. I've never understood why people have allowed such a person to get under their skin this way. Please, don't mistake my opinion for disloyalty. I adore Brian. Even though there's been some distance between us lately, I still consider him one of my best friends. I don't feel that it was in his best interest or that of his fans to pull MS. This whole thing has made me sad beyond words. BTW, he's well aware of my opinion on this particular subject, so please don't anyone feel obligated to report it to him.
 
Daniellekitten said:
I don't agree with all of that, but I can understand why Brian did what he did. There is a matter of who and what you want to be associated with. Scouries wouldn't do the respectful and responsible thing when asked, so Brian removed the stories. I happen to agree with what he did and why he did it.

Yep, as I said before, Scouries is giggling and the MS stories are off the site at the author's own hands. Over some silly list and club that can be safely ignored. It was designed to irritate and make people do and say stupid things, and it's working a dream. And yet it can be safely ignored (all this talk about putting other posters here on "ignore" is also a giggle). Yep, a very good move stripping those stories. That showed Scouries, it did. That punished him.

Ain't the Internet great or what?

I'm not a Scouries fan by any means (although in the usual "you're either with me or against me" custom on chat rooms, I am, of course, accused of being so). But I have no intention of being manipulated by him either.
 
sr71plt said:
Yep, as I said before, Scouries is giggling and the MS stories are off the site at the author's own hands. Over some silly list and club that can be safely ignored. It was designed to irritate and make people do and say stupid things, and it's working a dream. And yet it can be safely ignored (all this talk about putting other posters here on "ignore" is also a giggle). Yep, a very good move stripping those stories. That showed Scouries, it did. That punished him.

Ain't the Internet great or what?

I'm not a Scouries fan by any means (although in the usual "you're either with me or against me" custom on chat rooms, I am, of course, accused of being so). But I have no intention of being manipulated by him either.
I guess I'm of the old school that you respect other people the same way you want to be respected when it comes to my work and others' work.
 
sr71plt said:
Yep, as I said before, Scouries is giggling and the MS stories are off the site at the author's own hands. Over some silly list and club that can be safely ignored. It was designed to irritate and make people do and say stupid things, and it's working a dream. And yet it can be safely ignored (all this talk about putting other posters here on "ignore" is also a giggle). Yep, a very good move stripping those stories. That showed Scouries, it did. That punished him.

Ain't the Internet great or what?

I'm not a Scouries fan by any means (although in the usual "you're either with me or against me" custom on chat rooms, I am, of course, accused of being so). But I have no intention of being manipulated by him either.

There's absolutely no skill to being destructive. You're behaving as if this is some great coup of behavioral science. It is instead someone determinedly making an environment unpleasant enough that those with an expectation of subtler pleasures, leave. That doesn't take skill or intelligence. It takes nothing at all except what I can see - a driven self-promotional ambition that would give any screaming toddler a run for their money. And a screaming toddler can clear a room to those who are trying to listen to music.
 
Daniellekitten said:
I guess I'm of the old school that you respect other people the same way you want to be respected when it comes to my work and others' work.

The reality is that this is the Internet. I've tried to be even tempered on this Web site, and I've got stalkers and trolls hanging off me because I won't play the usual line of chat board gaming and engage in foul-mouthed personal attacking and team forming like they are. (They all will be showing up here at any moment just because I'm trying common sense on this thread rather than the ever-popular piling on game.) If you post on Internet chat boards, this is the reality you live with.

And if DarkSide had ignored the taunting and just breezed along in public as if he didn't even notice it, who would obviously be the one worthy of respect? And whose work would still be posted on this site for readers to enjoy? And who are the real losers in this?

Scouries and others I could name here have no control over anyone else that the target doesn't give in to--or volunteer for in some misconception that people posting on Internet chat boards are as honorable and fair and principled as they would be if you were actually in the room. A large proportion of posters here have come here to play to fill some hole in their real life. Anyone else posting has to talk around them and not assume that they are going to do anything but play in a role they wouldn't even think about taking on in real life. And this site isn't Better Homes and Garden. This is a sex site.

This is the Internet. This is the Internet. This is the Internet.
 
Recidiva said:
There's absolutely no skill to being destructive. You're behaving as if this is some great coup of behavioral science. It is instead someone determinedly making an environment unpleasant enough that those with an expectation of subtler pleasures, leave. That doesn't take skill or intelligence. It takes nothing at all except what I can see - a driven self-promotional ambition that would give any screaming toddler a run for their money. And a screaming toddler can clear a room to those who are trying to listen to music.

Hey, I'm "behaving" as an adult here. (And what did I say about those guys showing up at any moment to turn this on me :)) I'm using "standing back" and looking at what's left of the battlefield common sense.

It's not my fault that you and others have little talent in handling posters like Scouries.

And you don't bother me, either.
 
sr71plt said:
Hey, I'm "behaving" as an adult here. (And what did I say about those guys showing up at any moment to turn this on me :)) I'm using "standing back" and looking at what's left of the battlefield common sense.

It's not my fault that you and others have little talent in handling posters like Scouries.

And you don't bother me, either.

Well, you're not behaving as MY definition of an adult. Neither is Scouries. The fact that I have standards and opinions that coincide with someone else's standards and opinions, and we also deem this behavior as something childish, is coincidence.

This isn't a battlefield. Marsh started a fun thread where people got to poke fun of themselves.

If you're incapable of poking fun at yourself, you certainly can stay, as you say, it's the internet, we can't do anything about being off topic or thoroughly missing the intended point.

But we can surely comment on it and say it's not some coup for free speech. It's rudeness. I have no problem handling it either, I just see no reason not to point out that it's like dealing with shrieking toddlers.
 
Recidiva said:
Well, you're not behaving as MY definition of an adult. Neither is Scouries. The fact that I have standards and opinions that coincide with someone else's standards and opinions, and we also deem this behavior as something childish, is coincidence.

This isn't a battlefield. Marsh started a fun thread where people got to poke fun of themselves.

If you're incapable of poking fun at yourself, you certainly can stay, as you say, it's the internet, we can't do anything about being off topic or thoroughly missing the intended point.

But we can surely comment on it and say it's not some coup for free speech. It's rudeness. I have no problem handling it either, I just see no reason not to point out that it's like dealing with shrieking toddlers.

That you choose to pose my postings as approval of what Scouries does or that you move into the totally unrelated (and supportable) personal attack area of saying I'm incapable of poking fun at myself (a typical personal attack ploy on chat boards--"we don't like what he says; start making fun of the size of his penis") reflects on you rather than me.

If you truly think Scouries hasn't "won" in this scurry or that there was no battle going on here (not on this specific thread, but having flowed to this thread) over the MS stories--or if you don't believe the forum dynamics here are as Internet chat room forum dynamics are most everywhere, and if you believe reaction to Scouries list postings as has been done here is either effective or anything unpredictable and following a natural pattern, you are a fool.

Beyond that, I'll leave the toddlers to shriek at me over this.
 
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sr71plt said:
That you chose to pose my postings as approval of what Scouries does or that you move into the totally unrelated (and supportable) personal attack area of saying I'm incapable of poking fun at myself (a typical personal attack ploy on chat boards--"we don't like what he says; start making fun of the size of his penis") reflects on you rather than me.

If you truly think Scouries hasn't "won" in this scurry or that there was no battle going on here (not on this specific thread, but having flowed to this thread) over the MS stories--or if you don't believe the forum dynamics here are as Internet chat room forum dynamics are most everywhere and that reaction to Scouries list postings as has been done here is either effective or anything unpredictable and following a natural pattern, you are a fool.

Beyond that, I'll leave the toddlers to shriek at me over this.

No, it's not proof of anything. I have pity for you, I have pity for Scouries, I have pity for shrieking toddlers. The assumption that it's "gotten to me" is one I can refute because there's no "Getting To" here. This is just my opinion.

My motivations for speaking or answering really don't fit into the little box you're trying to cram it into.

I'm at home disagreeing, I have no problem with it. I'm answering your claim of "winning" with a thumbs down. No, sorry, doesn't work that way.
 
Recidiva said:
No, it's not proof of anything. I have pity for you, I have pity for Scouries, I have pity for shrieking toddlers. The assumption that it's "gotten to me" is one I can refute because there's no "Getting To" here. This is just my opinion.

My motivations for speaking or answering really don't fit into the little box you're trying to cram it into.

I'm at home disagreeing, I have no problem with it. I'm answering your claim of "winning" with a thumbs down. No, sorry, doesn't work that way.

So that pity would be for the size of my penis, I assume? :)

And going to stick with your shell game that I put myself on the winning side for this as well. Ah, yes, that's the technique of you people. Just another chat room game.
 
sr71plt said:
So that pity would be for the size of my penis, I assume? :)

And going to stick with your shell game that I put myself on the winning side for this as well. Ah, yes, that's the technique of you people. Just another chat room game.

No, the pity is for your behavior, which utterly precludes me caring about the size of your penis.
 
Recidiva said:
No, the pity is for your behavior, which utterly precludes me caring about the size of your penis.

Ah, yes, that bad behavior of suggesting that posters take this MS deal as an example not to let themselves be taken by Scouries. Yes, very . . . bad . . . be . . ha . . v . . . No, sorry, I don't get the connection between that and bad behavior at all. But then, your agenda is your agenda. No reason to let logic intervene. :)
 
sr71plt said:
Ah, yes, that bad behavior of suggesting that posters take this MS deal as an example not to let themselves be taken by Scouries. Yes, very . . . bad . . . be . . ha . . v . . . No, sorry, I don't get the connection between that and bad behavior at all. But then, your agenda is your agenda. No reason to let logic intervene. :)

I'm immune to you and Scouries. I think you both overestimate your influence. You definitely overestimate that it's in any way a learning experience or an overall positive one.
 
Sorry to butt in, but everyone is correct in this matter.

Dani is right when she says that people need to respect others. That is common kindergarten class material. It's the Golden Rule, for crying out loud.

However, the person in question is not playing by that rule. So we have to deal with him.

Recidiva is right. A screaming toddler can clear a room and that person certainly qualifies under that heading.

Sr7plt is right. The person can only take what we give him. I think Eleanor Roosevelt said it best when she said that no one can take advantage of us without our permission.

When he gets a rise out of one of us, he gets just what he wants. He's playing all of us and cares little about the damage he does. He loves it, in fact. Thrives on it. Eats it like candy. He adores being the topic of discussion, is probably sitting here reading this and jacking off.

Seems to me that we're rewarding him every time his name comes up. What I propose is that we never discuss him again. If we really want to punish him for being the naughty little boy (or girl or whatever) that he is, we should ALL ignore him. Whether you put him on your ignore list or not, never read his posts and never respond to him. Wipe his existence from the Lit boards by simply not paying him any attention.

It would be good for entertainment purposes, just to see the tantrum he'll eventually fly into. Sooner or later, he'll do something really stupid and the moderators will have to take a hand. Then he'll be out for good.

What say you all?
 
sr71plt said:
Yep, as I said before, Scouries is giggling and the MS stories are off the site at the author's own hands. Over some silly list and club that can be safely ignored. It was designed to irritate and make people do and say stupid things, and it's working a dream. And yet it can be safely ignored (all this talk about putting other posters here on "ignore" is also a giggle). Yep, a very good move stripping those stories. That showed Scouries, it did. That punished him.

Ain't the Internet great or what?

I'm not a Scouries fan by any means (although in the usual "you're either with me or against me" custom on chat rooms, I am, of course, accused of being so). But I have no intention of being manipulated by him either.

You simply don't understand, but I think you do. I think you just enjoy stirring the pot. You seem to thrive on chaos, it's what you want.

I will state this once more. I did not want my name, or my work associated with Scouries and his list. By using other writers' success, he is attempting to legitimize his own. That is why I pulled my work.
 
Recidiva said:
I'm immune to you and Scouries. I think you both overestimate your influence. You definitely overestimate that it's in any way a learning experience or an overall positive one.

Ah, yes, purposely misrepresenting what I said (I never, ever have posted approval of what Scouries does--I pointed out that it's not his fault MS was withdrawn--the author did that himself; no gun to his head--and he did it while it was being pointed out how pointless and stupid it was to do so. And on this thread I was pointing to as a lesson to others--in defense against the inevitable Scouries of the chat room world) and lumping me with Scouries after your personal digs didn't work. All neat and tidy. And oh so typical.

I suppose it's time for another one of the tag team to set in now. :)

That's fine as long as a reader or three here without an ax to grind "get it."
 
SweetWitch said:
When he gets a rise out of one of us, he gets just what he wants. He's playing all of us and cares little about the damage he does. He loves it, in fact. Thrives on it. Eats it like candy. He adores being the topic of discussion, is probably sitting here reading this and jacking off.

Seems to me that we're rewarding him every time his name comes up. What I propose is that we never discuss him again. If we really want to punish him for being the naughty little boy (or girl or whatever) that he is, we should ALL ignore him. Whether you put him on your ignore list or not, never read his posts and never respond to him. Wipe his existence from the Lit boards by simply not paying him any attention.

It would be good for entertainment purposes, just to see the tantrum he'll eventually fly into. Sooner or later, he'll do something really stupid and the moderators will have to take a hand. Then he'll be out for good.

What say you all?

Here's where you and I disagree. I believe that believing in this, restricts my actions in a way that also makes them win. If I react honestly, I'm giving them attention, and that's bad?

However, they're just feeding on negative leftovers anyway. I don't really care if they stay or if they go. They're the ants at the picnic, and if you follow that line of thought, you eventually get to "If you all stop eating, and if nobody brings any food, the ants will go away!"

Yeah, but that ruins all my reasons for being at that picnic. I would rather let the ants crow over the crumbs they get and declare victory.

Win-Win is actually fine with me.
 
SweetWitch said:
Sr7plt is right. The person can only take what we give him. I think Eleanor Roosevelt said it best when she said that no one can take advantage of us without our permission.

Loved the pairing with Eleanor Roosevelt, thanks. I keep voting for her for president but she never shows up at the inauguration any more.
 
drksideofthemoon said:
You simply don't understand, but I think you do. I think you just enjoy stirring the pot. You seem to thrive on chaos, it's what you want.

I will state this once more. I did not want my name, or my work associated with Scouries and his list. By using other writers' success, he is attempting to legitimize his own. That is why I pulled my work.
B,

I fully understand why you did what you did, but I hate like hell that you felt you had no choice but to do it. It's sad. You're readers are being punished because of that lousy twit's stupidity. I hope that you bring it back one day.
 
sr71plt said:
Loved the pairing with Eleanor Roosevelt, thanks. I keep voting for her for president but she never shows up at the inauguration any more.
Um, dude? She's dead, you know.
 
SweetWitch said:
Um, dude? She's dead, you know.


Not if you squeeze your eyes shut, shutting out all reality, and truly, truly believe. (Oh, sorry, we seem to be getting back to what some folks here think is ever going to happen on a chat board.)
 
Recidiva said:
Here's where you and I disagree. I believe that believing in this, restricts my actions in a way that also makes them win. If I react honestly, I'm giving them attention, and that's bad?

However, they're just feeding on negative leftovers anyway. I don't really care if they stay or if they go. They're the ants at the picnic, and if you follow that line of thought, you eventually get to "If you all stop eating, and if nobody brings any food, the ants will go away!"

Yeah, but that ruins all my reasons for being at that picnic. I would rather let the ants crow over the crumbs they get and declare victory.

Win-Win is actually fine with me.
Ants don't bother me if I don't pay attention to them, and I don't. Good analogy though. :D

What I'm saying is that if we just don't respond, if we don't trouble ourselves with him, then he will stop his crowing and move on. He doesn't bother much me anymore because what he says and does is of little consequence to me. He is nothing to me and his opinions mean even less. I won't respond to him. I think if everyone did that, he'd do one of two things: He'll give up and find a new playground, or he'll throw a tizzy and get tossed out.

Always worked with my bratty little brother when we were kids.
 
sr71plt said:
Not if you squeeze your eyes shut, shutting out all reality, and truly, truly believe. (Oh, sorry, we seem to be getting back to what some folks here think is ever going to happen on a chat board.)
Do you click your heels together 3 times and say, "There's no one like Eleanor, There's no one like Eleanor, There's no one like Eleanor."?
 
Recidiva said:
Here's where you and I disagree. I believe that believing in this, restricts my actions in a way that also makes them win. If I react honestly, I'm giving them attention, and that's bad?

However, they're just feeding on negative leftovers anyway. I don't really care if they stay or if they go. They're the ants at the picnic, and if you follow that line of thought, you eventually get to "If you all stop eating, and if nobody brings any food, the ants will go away!"

Yeah, but that ruins all my reasons for being at that picnic. I would rather let the ants crow over the crumbs they get and declare victory.

Win-Win is actually fine with me.

48,000 plus posts pretty much says it all--obsessive-compulsive internet chat prototype likely also afflicted with MRP (Multiple Personality Disorder).

Yours truly,

Shitting_Bull (a REAL Indian from India)
 
SweetWitch said:
Do you click your heels together 3 times and say, "There's no one like Eleanor, There's no one like Eleanor, There's no one like Eleanor."?

Ummm, no. But thanks for the tip. I've obviously been doing it wrong.
 
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