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[SweetWitch]

Ummm, no. But thanks for the tip. I've obviously been doing it wrong.

Glad I could help.

 

[Recidiva]

Ants don't bother me if I don't pay attention to them, and I don't. Good analogy though.

What I'm saying is that if we just don't respond, if we don't trouble ourselves with him, then he will stop his crowing and move on. He doesn't bother much me anymore because what he says and does is of little consequence to me. He is nothing to me and his opinions mean even less. I won't respond to him. I think if everyone did that, he'd do one of two things: He'll give up and find a new playground, or he'll throw a tizzy and get tossed out.

Always worked with my bratty little brother when we were kids.

That's my point really. Swat at ants if they bother you. You're welcome to it. But realize that picnics draw ants. Sitting there pretending they don't exist...and they'll just walk off with the whole meal.

But it's not YOU the ants are after. It's the attention. The difference here is in scale.

Let's further the analogy. Scouries and others place themselves under huge magnifying glasses to make themselves appear much bigger than they are, then the sunlight hits them and they start to smoke.

There's no way I'd do that to myself. Not only would I feel like a complete fraud, but the things that I want to stand on their own, my stories, I'd know I had no faith in them.

Sure, I could make a flood of alts and bump up my numbers, give myself reams of positive glowing feedback. But I don't. For very good reason.

Having to go that far to look so big, and still catching on fire, and only feeding on crumbs, really.

Fine, defend your patch of ground, smack out the ants that are there, but don't begrudge them what they manage to get in the way of crumbs. They weren't invited to the picnic and they can't cook for themselves.

You could have had a little pity on your bratty brother, too. That's what grownups do.

 

[Recidiva]

48,000 plus posts pretty much says it all--obsessive-compulsive internet chat prototype likely also afflicted with MRP (Multiple Personality Disorder).

Yours truly,

Shitting_Bull (a REAL Indian from India)

It's lovely that you know so much from five digits. Wait, there's a comma too. Well, that explains it.

 

[sr71plt]

You simply don't understand, but I think you do. I think you just enjoy stirring the pot. You seem to thrive on chaos, it's what you want.

I will state this once more. I did not want my name, or my work associated with Scouries and his list. By using other writers' success, he is attempting to legitimize his own. That is why I pulled my work.

That's what you say, but sitting up here in the stands and just watching the little ball bounce back and forth, what I saw was you wrapping yourself in a martyr's flag, expecting someone--who, the Web site managers?--to rip Scourie's charts off the site (which would be nice, mind you--they are a real bore and eyesore) and making the "ultimate sacrifice" for the "good of mankind."

Well, this is a little bucket when set beside the ocean, and such sacrifices rarely hurt anyone but the martyr. I was actually surprised Scouries took your name off his list (and I said so at the time)--I thought he was just going to continue digging and let you twist in the wind. It was a pretty masterful concoction, really. Set something up that "honors" rather than attacks the listees and is really rather innocuous--just another list that could just as well be done by the Web site. And then see if he could get anyone outraged over being "honored" by something pretty innocuous. It worked a charm--at least on you. Which is a real shame (as I said at the time). The MS stories should be here for everyone to read (as I said at the time).

You've told me you were going to pull them anyway to rework them. That would have been fine, but it's also sort of irrelevant. You very publically pulled them in reaction to and a doomed, empty challenge to Scouries.

On principle, according to you and DK. Can't spend that at the drug store, though. (and you still hold a *deleted* place on Sourcies list that can be filled in or referred to at any time he thinks it will ruffle your pinciples.)

You perhaps care too much what Scouries is writing/posting. He likes you to do that.

This is the Internet. This is the Internet. This is the Internet.

 

[Guest]

You simply don't understand, but I think you do. I think you just enjoy stirring the pot. You seem to thrive on chaos, it's what you want.

I will state this once more. I did not want my name, or my work associated with Scouries and his list. By using other writers' success, he is attempting to legitimize his own. That is why I pulled my work.

Of course, Brian, now that you've removed the work, all those wonderful votes went bye bye. So...if you resubmit, they don't technically fall under the idiot's purview, so...

 

[drksideofthemoon]

That's what you say, but sitting up here in the stands and just watching the little ball bounce back and forth, what I saw was you wrapping yourself in a martyr's flag, expecting someone--who, the Web site managers?--to rip Scourie's charts off the site (which would be nice, mind you--they are a real bore and eyesore) and making the "ultimate sacrifice" for the "good of mankind."

Well, this is a little bucket when set beside the ocean, and such sacrifices rarely hurt anyone but the martyr. I was actually surprised Scouries took your name off his list (and I said so at the time)--I thought he was just going to continue digging and let you twist in the wind. It was a pretty masterful concoction, really. Set something up that "honors" rather than attacks the listees and is really rather innocuous--just another list that could just as well be done by the Web site. And then see if he could get anyone outraged over being "honored" by something pretty innocuous. It worked a charm--at least on you. Which is a real shame (as I said at the time). The MS stories should be here for everyone to read (as I said at the time).

You've told me you were going to pull them anyway to rework them. That would have been fine, but it's also sort of irrelevant. You very publically pulled them in reaction to and a doomed, empty challenge to Scouries.

On principle, according to you and DK. Can't spend that at the drug store, though. (and you still hold a *deleted* place on Sourcies list that can be filled in or referred to at any time he thinks it will ruffle your pinciples.)

You perhaps care too much what Scouries is writing/posting. He likes you to do that.

This is the Internet. This is the Internet. This is the Internet.

Obviously you watched through warped glasses. I never asked or hoped for any intervention by the operators of the site. I don't see what sacrafice I have made.

Principles, I don't expect someone like you to understand them. At least I have them, believe in them, and will stand up for them.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

Of course, Brian, now that you've removed the work, all those wonderful votes went bye bye. So...if you resubmit, they don't technically fall under the idiot's purview, so...

No, and if I do resubmit the series, it won't be in the Incest category either. The votes meant nothing, it was knowing that I could affect people in positive ways, that's what counted.

 

[wanderwonder]

How come every time Scouries pops into a forum, the whole purpose of the thread is forgotten?

 

[BlackShanglan]

K, you lost me there. Are you saying I bug you at your house, and you don't know how to get rid of me?

I have no idea what "my will-less wits in bold and independent venture fail to flourish" means...

And I already told you to take your time with the story. Gosh!

*laugh* Sorry. The circumlocution and hyperbaton appear to have been rather excessively done! No, not at all a complaint about you. I am apologizing for me being pokey. The plain English translations are now provided below.

Slow-sleeping witless wonder art thou, of looks listless, of brightness bereft, drooping dull-dropping vine that to my home huddles.

Stupid vine that's growing up the side of my house ...

Thy turgid tendrils not unlike, my will-less wits in bold and independent venture fail to flourish.

... like your lazy tendrils, my lazy brain isn't working hard or standing independently. [Thus the vine is a metaphor for me, not for you.]

Though truth told be, I know not how to raise my wrath the author to overthrow;

However [and contrary to the original challenge to tell you that one of your stories sucks], I can't find anything bad to say about the author ...

myself I censure with curse and callous kicks, for her story I have failed thus far to edit. [.

... I'm just kicking myself because I haven't edited the story.

Yet, in hand my heavy hopes, I proffer, penitent, the thrilling three her plea engendered has.

Nonetheless, as an act penance and with faint hopes of pleasing, I offer an attempt to use the three devices (circumlocuation, hyperbaton, and alliteration) that you asked for.

So the opposite really. It was an apology, not a complaint - just a very circumlocutious one!

Shanglan

 

[sr71plt]

Principles, I don't expect someone like you to understand them.

Ah, yes, that's one of them thar highly "principled" digs.

The principle of the matter was that when you first started digging this hole, I showed more concern for your work and that you not drop into that hole and feed the Scouries--to the detriment, now accomplished, of us all--than you ever have shown me on this forum.

 

[sr71plt]

Of course, Brian, now that you've removed the work, all those wonderful votes went bye bye. So...if you resubmit, they don't technically fall under the idiot's purview, so...

And you think technicality stops "the idiot" from doing anything? Until and unless posters cut this control they allow Scouries to have over them, he will exercise it. As I posted the first time this came up, when/if the stories go back up, he (if he wants to jerk the chain) will just change the wording on the list to stories that ever reached that level on Lit., and there he is with the same grip he's ever been permitted to have. There's no change in status of whatever "greater principle" you think you are persuing or that he will bow to.

You don't outmaneuver this. You trivialize it and you don't rise to the bait--and as is written into so many TV scripts, you don't let them see you sweat.

 

[SweetWitch]

That's my point really. Swat at ants if they bother you. You're welcome to it. But realize that picnics draw ants. Sitting there pretending they don't exist...and they'll just walk off with the whole meal.

But it's not YOU the ants are after. It's the attention. The difference here is in scale.

Let's further the analogy. Scouries and others place themselves under huge magnifying glasses to make themselves appear much bigger than they are, then the sunlight hits them and they start to smoke.

There's no way I'd do that to myself. Not only would I feel like a complete fraud, but the things that I want to stand on their own, my stories, I'd know I had no faith in them.

Sure, I could make a flood of alts and bump up my numbers, give myself reams of positive glowing feedback. But I don't. For very good reason.

Having to go that far to look so big, and still catching on fire, and only feeding on crumbs, really.

Fine, defend your patch of ground, smack out the ants that are there, but don't begrudge them what they manage to get in the way of crumbs. They weren't invited to the picnic and they can't cook for themselves.

You could have had a little pity on your bratty brother, too. That's what grownups do.

I had no pity on my little brother because I was a kid too.

But I think you miss the point. I won't react to the person's crap, because his actions, his need to be the center of attention is beneath what I consider to be "grownup" behavior. If he does something noteworthy, I will give him my attention. If he acts like a whiny little bitch-boy, I'll ignore him.

I ignore the ants. If they start to overrun my picnic, I'll shake the picnic blanket off and continue to ignore them.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Ah, yes, purposely misrepresenting what I said (I never, ever have posted approval of what Scouries does--I pointed out that it's not his fault MS was withdrawn--the author did that himself; no gun to his head--and he did it while it was being pointed out how pointless and stupid it was to do so. And on this thread I was pointing to as a lesson to others--in defense against the inevitable Scouries of the chat room world) and lumping me with Scouries after your personal digs didn't work. All neat and tidy. And oh so typical.

I suppose it's time for another one of the tag team to set in now.

That's fine as long as a reader or three here without an ax to grind "get it."

This is amusing reading coming from someone who has repeatedly insisted that Recidiva claims you're approving of Scouries when in fact what she quite clearly and distinctly said was that was Scouries had done didn't qualify as being as clever as you suggested it was. Hence the "screaming toddler" comparison; toddlers don't require wit, only volume and persistence. There's nothing in that that suggests in any way that you approve of Scouries, only that you might be overstating the skill necessary to do what he's done.

Undoubtedly you'll now feel the urge (possibly mitigated by this paragraph, possibly not) to state in your next post that now the "tag team" is in effect, conveniently ignoring that you and I have exchanged perfectly civil words on other topics - or indeed, the fact that I think you're right about Scouries' motives and pleasure in this sort of thing. I'm not sure why you're so passionately attached to this "me against the united forces of gang-bangery" concept, but it seems a bit unreasonable to cling to it to the extent that you pick fights with things no one has said.

 

[sr71plt]

I had no pity on my little brother because I was a kid too.

But I think you miss the point. I won't react to the person's crap, because his actions, his need to be the center of attention is beneath what I consider to be "grownup" behavior. If he does something noteworthy, I will give him my attention. If he acts like a whiny little bitch-boy, I'll ignore him.

I ignore the ants. If they start to overrun my picnic, I'll shake the picnic blanket off and continue to ignore them.

In the meantime, might you have a pair of red-sequined two-inch heels I can borrow? Mine don't seem to be in the closet. Thanks.

 

[sr71plt]

This is amusing reading coming from someone who has repeatedly insisted that Recidiva claims you're approving of Scouries when in fact what she quite clearly and distinctly said was that was Scouries had done didn't qualify as being as clever as you suggested it was. Hence the "screaming toddler" comparison; toddlers don't require wit, only volume and persistence. There's nothing in that that suggests in any way that you approve of Scouries.

Undoubtedly you'll now feel the urge (possibly mitigated by this paragraph, possibly not) to state in your next post that now the "tag team" is in effect, conveniently ignoring that you and I have exchanged perfectly civil words on other topics - or indeed, the fact that I think you're right about Scouries motives and pleasure in this sort of thing. I'm not sure why you're so passionately attached to this "me against the united forces of gang-bangery" concept, but it seems a bit unreasonable to cling to it to the extent that you pick fights with things no one has said.

Naw, I'll just point out that if you read her posts you'll see that she did/does lump us together. It's there. I need not do any interpretation for you or anyone else.

And yes, you and I've exchanged very civil words and had some good conversation. That's all I'm interested in here.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Naw, I'll just point out that if you read her posts you'll see that she did/does lump us together. It's there. I need not do any interpretation for you or anyone else.

You suggest that I haven't read them carefully already. Indeed, I have. You're welcome, of course, to decline to identify where the alleged slight might possibly be, but that's only going to make it more difficult for anyone to see or agree with your point of view on the topic.

 

[TruthOrDare]

This is amusing reading coming from someone who has repeatedly insisted that Recidiva claims you're approving of Scouries when in fact what she quite clearly and distinctly said was that was Scouries had done didn't qualify as being as clever as you suggested it was. Hence the "screaming toddler" comparison; toddlers don't require wit, only volume and persistence. There's nothing in that that suggests in any way that you approve of Scouries, only that you might be overstating the skill necessary to do what he's done.

Undoubtedly you'll now feel the urge (possibly mitigated by this paragraph, possibly not) to state in your next post that now the "tag team" is in effect, conveniently ignoring that you and I have exchanged perfectly civil words on other topics - or indeed, the fact that I think you're right about Scouries' motives and pleasure in this sort of thing. I'm not sure why you're so passionately attached to this "me against the united forces of gang-bangery" concept, but it seems a bit unreasonable to cling to it to the extent that you pick fights with things no one has said.

Danielle, it's about time for a Tampon me thinks.

 

[TxRad]

Once he had a pair of noids

Then one die

and he was just a noid.

 

[SweetWitch]

Undoubtedly you'll now feel the urge (possibly mitigated by this paragraph, possibly not) to state in your next post that now the "tag team" is in effect, conveniently ignoring that you and I have exchanged perfectly civil words on other topics - or indeed, the fact that I think you're right about Scouries' motives and pleasure in this sort of thing. I'm not sure why you're so passionately attached to this "me against the united forces of gang-bangery" concept, but it seems a bit unreasonable to cling to it to the extent that you pick fights with things no one has said.

Nothing truer has ever been said. Can we get back to the purpose of this thread now?

 

[BlackShanglan]

Nothing truer has ever been said. Can we get back to the purpose of this thread now?

Indeed. Possibly Danielle may assume that somehow being mistaken for me constitutes some pretty embarassing feedback.

 

[Guest]

Indeed. Possibly Danielle may assume that somehow being mistaken for me constitutes some pretty embarassing feedback.

Is she as fond of riding crops as you?

 

[Recidiva]

I had no pity on my little brother because I was a kid too.

But I think you miss the point. I won't react to the person's crap, because his actions, his need to be the center of attention is beneath what I consider to be "grownup" behavior. If he does something noteworthy, I will give him my attention. If he acts like a whiny little bitch-boy, I'll ignore him.

I ignore the ants. If they start to overrun my picnic, I'll shake the picnic blanket off and continue to ignore them.

I think we're mostly agreeing, I just reserve the right to act according to my whim, without feeling bound to behave is if the ants aren't there.

I might build them a cheesehenge for them. If I do, it's because it amuses me. Not because there's some vital need for me to behave a certain way, or that my whim of cheesehenge means I buy into the ants and their ultimate intent to take over the world.

 

[SweetWitch]

Indeed. Possibly Danielle may assume that somehow being mistaken for me constitutes some pretty embarassing feedback.

I've been accused of being her as well. I thought it was a hell of a compliment.

 

[sr71plt]

You suggest that I haven't read them carefully already. Indeed, I have. You're welcome, of course, to decline to identify where the alleged slight might possibly be, but that's only going to make it more difficult for anyone to see or agree with your point of view on the topic.

Well, yes, you did read them more carefully than I did. My bad. I think I made the connection when she was pitying us both--I thought there was a direct connection later, but I can't find it (on a quick scan), so I'll assume I'm wrong (but I could cite where some others Cloudy likes to refer to as "the regulars" have made the link, if you'd like).

When she got around to saying what she pitied me for it was for bad behavior in suggesting that Scouries not be fed and posters not give him control over their actions. I said something about that, though, and I don't see where the "bad behavior" part was ever explained.

Or maybe it's just because I don't have any principles.

 

[sr71plt]

I've been accused of being her as well. I thought it was a hell of a compliment.

That DK certainly gets around and post and writes alot under a lot of different alts. I think she deserves a combined listing to honor her.